"Halo is going back to it's roots" - No.

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Before we begin:

.:Note:.
This thread is in no way comparing Halo 4 and Call of Duty via gameplay. I am not insinuating this game is Call of Duty, and I am not saying it should be.
I am pointing out that Halo 4 is in dire need of a classic playlist, or all this “going back to it’s roots” is for nothing. Call of Duty is being used as an example as it has a classic playlist. Good day.

You said halo was going back to its roots.

Bringing back the BR and upping movement speed is not going back to it’s roots.

Why? Because core things such as movement mean nothing if the rest of the game is sloppy in execution. Yeah, it’s bloody fantastic that we don’t move like we did in reach, and that this game is smoother, but what you put on top of that completely counteracts everything.

Faster movement speeds mean nothing if he can aim 5 ft to the right and still hit me (see detached turret and DMR for example). Jump hieght means nothing if you have a jetpack. BR means nothing if it can’t beat the long range weapons in it’s own range.

Honestly, this game is so porely executed it’s not funny. To be frank, CoD Black ops did it better. Why? Because Treyarch was intelligent enough to include several barebones classic playlists.

What if I don’t want to play DMR spam the entire time? Well to bad, because there isn’t a single playlist that the DMR isn’t involved.

What if I don’t want to play Jetpack AR’s on FFA? Well too bad, because there’s only 1 FFA playlist.

What if I don’t want to play an objective gametype, and want to play something balanced without ordinance? Too bad, because we removed the one playlist that could allow that, and it won’t be brought back for awhile.

Seriously, Treyarch was smarter than this. There is not a single thing about this game outside of the core movement that is remotely anywhere near “Halo’s roots.”

You said there would be a classic playlist… or closer to the quote “Something to scratch that itch.” What you gave us, was a playlist that was entirely stripped down, but still remained unbalanced and a DMR fest.

That is the equivelant of what you gave us for elites to “Scratch that Itch”. You gave us flood. A species who’s traits cannot be edited and only appear in one playlist. That was our scratch, and it single handedly ruined a large part of customs.

I can’t do this anymore. I’m just done. I am sick and tired of playing nothing but DMR spam and jetpack AR’s the entire day. CoD has better playlists than this, and I feel horrible saying that.

… I’m sorry for being so harsh with this, but it is incredibly irking to be promised 1 thing and have another thing happen.

Black ops had a classic playlist, but Halo doesn’t? Why not? Why can you not implement a playlist that allows those of us who want to play a fair, balanced game to have fun?

And it’s not just multiplayer, but the campaign as well. Where’s the hidden items? The crazy fun feeling of exploring vast worlds that you’d never seen before? There was no exploration in Halo 4. This game was more funneled than Halo 2 and 3. There were areas barely bigger than midship that we had to fight the knights in, and there was no flanking manuevers, or interesting side bouts. There was only one way to approach the enemy, and that was your option.

What about the story? The interesting side characters? What happened to the “Johnson” figure, the friend? Sure, we had lasky, but how often was lasky actually there?

I’m trying so hard to like this game, and it is fantastic at it’s core, but without a good playlist this game is just irking.

Spartan Ops was great, if repetitive, and I really liked the idea. But the rest of the game felt like a large leap in the wrong direction.

It’s as simple as 2 playlists. A classic playlist, and a competition playlist. That’s all it would take to really make this game fun to play, but with lack of good playlists this game is horrid to attempt to play online.

Jetpack Ar’s and DMR spam is what this game has turned into. I miss the game that was all about map movement and consistent shooting. I know that’s not for everyone, and most people like their kills handed to them as opposed to having them earned, but you still have to consider the other fans.

If treyarch can do it, you can do it.

Thoughts or additions are always nice, and sorry about the rant guys. I ussually don’t do this, but its just…

I don’t know, but something about this game is revolting.

-Silent

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If Treyarch can do it, you can…Hmmm, maybe you should go play COD? They don’t believe in gambling or evolution… come to think of it, they try to preserve money by being cheap on their graphics even after selling as many games as they do. I really want to know what there excuse is for not making a better game, every yr, a new one, whether it be a MW or BLOPS… same thing over again. Why can’t they try something new,lol, if they keep being number one, every game is going to be a -Yoink- game like COD. Face it, games need to adapt, and its ppl like you that are stopping them, COD is a game killer.

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Ok I’m going to say that you REALLY like balck ops and should probably play that until 343 has a TU ready.

I’m not being an ars I just think you would enjoy your game time better until then. I’m hoping the TU fixes the weapon balance and ill be happier myself. But the other changes are going to stay due to the fact that 343 wants to be known for their Halo not just for making Bungie Halo.

I miss Bungie Halo as well but they are also to blame as Reach wasn’t really a core Halo game as well. Unfortunately this is the path that was chosen and we must follow in order to still get Halo games.

On the upside I do like the over all direction I really just want weapon balance and I would REALLY love for AA’s to be lost to the ether but the last part won’t ever happen 8(

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Halo 4 is its own worst enemy right now. So much of Halo 4 is outstanding but small oversights (Customs being messed up, DMR…just existing at this point, etc) ruin what could have been the single greatest Halo experience to date.

Remove the DMR or make it nothing more than a map drop and not a starting weapon.

Ditch the Ordinance system completely.

Fix Customs.

Fix the CTF settings back to what made it Halo CTF in the first place.

Do those things and we have Halo again.

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I’d rather play with a Jetpacking AR noob in Halo than to play with some the yoinked up yoink that goes on in CoD. Maybe that’s just me. But yes I agree the playlists could use a over haul and yes the DMR is a little bit over powered. But cheer up man, the game is only two months old. We got a TU and plenty of playlist updates on the way.

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> If Treyarch can do it, you can…Hmmm, maybe you should go play COD? They don’t believe in gambling or evolution… come to think of it, they try to preserve money by being cheap on their graphics even after selling as many games as they do. I really want to know what there excuse is for not making a better game, every yr, a new one, whether it be a MW or BLOPS… same thing over again. Why can’t they try something new,lol, if they keep being number one, every game is going to be a Yoink! game like COD. Face it, games need to adapt, and its ppl like you that are stopping them, COD is a game killer.

Cod is actually the number 1 game on the planet. It continues to do so by keeping it the way people want and adding plenty of variety to appeal to everyone.

In Halo 4, I’m literally only having fun in customs. That’s fine with me, because that’s the only thing I want to play at all. But what about people who want FFA Slayer, multi-team, flag drop, small maps, vehicles for more than 15 seconds? This game only caters to a single group of the entire Halo community.

I for one will stick to the no sprint/timed respawn custom games, on well-crafted smaller maps. Much better experience! =]

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> Halo 4 is its own worst enemy right now. So much of Halo 4 is outstanding but small oversights (Customs being messed up, DMR…just existing at this point, etc) ruin what could have been the single greatest Halo experience to date.
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> Remove the DMR or make it nothing more than a map drop and not a starting weapon.
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> Ditch the Ordinance system completely.
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> Fix Customs.
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> Fix the CTF settings back to what made it Halo CTF in the first place.
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> Do those things and we have Halo again.

I like the new CTF myself as it makes you work more as a team to get the flag back not just tossing it to your buddy. You actually have to run an honor guard now where before all you had to do was toss it across the map. I do miss the shorter reset time on the flag though I wish it was three seconds or return on touch agin.

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> > Halo 4 is its own worst enemy right now. So much of Halo 4 is outstanding but small oversights (Customs being messed up, DMR…just existing at this point, etc) ruin what could have been the single greatest Halo experience to date.
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> > Remove the DMR or make it nothing more than a map drop and not a starting weapon.
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> > Ditch the Ordinance system completely.
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> > Fix Customs.
> >
> > Fix the CTF settings back to what made it Halo CTF in the first place.
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> > Do those things and we have Halo again.
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> I like the new CTF myself as it makes you work more as a team to get the flag back not just tossing it to your buddy. You actually have to run an honor guard now where before all you had to do was toss it across the map. I do miss the shorter reset time on the flag though I wish it was three seconds or return on touch agin.

Maybe you can be the one to do it, but how does the new system promote teamwork more than before? Last time I checked nobody ever won a game of CTF in Halo 3 or Halo Reach when their entire team quit and it was them verses the other team.

The forced carry and waypoints were an interesting attempt to promote teamwork but people still go lone wolf. The problem isn’t the game settings, it’s the progression system that rewards selfish play more than winning.

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Honest, worthwhile post that pointed out some serious issues.

Well done.

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I usually play CTF with friends so quitting isn’t a problem. If that’s your only grip for it is because of lone wolfing it then I’m sorry don’t play with randoms.

Yes the progression is dumb. I miss the ranked matches where people actually played myself too. Unfortunately people want the progression system more then the I have to get better or be stuck system. People as a whole like rewards this system caters to that more then the old way. That’s why you see people wanting a prestige mode now. Rewards are like crack to the human psyche.

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Hmmm, same cheesy graphics every year with a short warmup pointless campaign… Zombies, why ppl get off on killing a hoard of dead ppl I will nvr know… It works that way because half of their players are 9-14 yrs olds. Call me hater if you must for not liking a game that does not evolve… They have enough money to try it, they make a game every yr. Now as for Halo, it just needs adjustments, start going away from the COD ways, so ppl would stop comparing it… I’m tired of hearing these 2 names put together.

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> I usually play CTF with friends so quitting isn’t a problem. If that’s your only grip for it is because of lone wolfing it then I’m sorry don’t play with randoms.
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> Yes the progression is dumb. I miss the ranked matches where people actually played myself too. Unfortunately people want the progression system more then the I have to get better or be stuck system. People as a whole like rewards this system caters to that more then the old way. That’s why you see people wanting a prestige mode now. Rewards are like crack to the human psyche.

I rarely play with randoms either. It was just a point I was trying to make (that point being that, IMO, the old CTF required plenty of teamwork for success as well).

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> If Treyarch can do it, you can…Hmmm, maybe you should go play COD? They don’t believe in gambling or evolution… come to think of it, they try to preserve money by being cheap on their graphics even after selling as many games as they do. I really want to know what there excuse is for not making a better game, every yr, a new one, whether it be a MW or BLOPS… same thing over again. Why can’t they try something new,lol, if they keep being number one, every game is going to be a Yoink! game like COD. Face it, games need to adapt, and its ppl like you that are stopping them, COD is a game killer.

Halo killed itself when it didn’t implement a classic playlist.

And no, I won’t “Go play CoD” because it’s really not a good game. That said, barebones competition in CoD Black Ops is far more balanced than any playlist in Halo 4. Aside from Famas, which may as well be the only weapon in the game, it’s very, very balanced.

Halo used to be decently balanced, but now it’s just spiraling farther and farther into “Modern” gaming, which is less about acutally outplaying people, and more about having various things handed to you.

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you forgot to add how the vehicles are useless, and that spawning with boltshot, plasma pistol, and plasma grenades is awful

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MW3 IS BETTER THAN HALO 4…and that’s bad…

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> Ok I’m going to say that you REALLY like balck ops and should probably play that until 343 has a TU ready.

Pretty much the opposite to tell the truth. I got bored the other day, and threw in Blops for the luls, only to find that the “Barebones Competition” playlist.

> I’m not being an ars I just think you would enjoy your game time better until then. I’m hoping the TU fixes the weapon balance and ill be happier myself. But the other changes are going to stay due to the fact that 343 wants to be known for their Halo not just for making Bungie Halo.

I agree. I like the fact that 343i are taking the game in their own way, but they have to remember they can’t just ditch their old fans out the window and leave them bleeding on the curb, they have to give them something to keep them around.

Treyarch did that quite nicely, and I’m overly surprised at that because that was the only playlist in Blops I could play without getting bored.

> I miss Bungie Halo as well but they are also to blame as Reach wasn’t really a core Halo game as well. Unfortunately this is the path that was chosen and we must follow in order to still get Halo games.

I can’t really blame them for taking this path. They’re a corporation, so they’ll sell out to the highest bidder, which happens to be the CoD crowd at the moment.

But they gotta remember the old fans too.

> On the upside I do like the over all direction I really just want weapon balance and I would REALLY love for AA’s to be lost to the ether but the last part won’t ever happen 8(

Yeah :confused: AA’s are okay (some of them) but others like jetpack and hardlight just really need to go.

I’m alright with custom classes, but they need to keep them balanced and clean, which they haven’t.

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> MW3 IS BETTER THAN HALO 4…and that’s bad…

Whoah, slow down there. I wouldn’t go that far! MW3 was terrible… and brown… sooo much brown.

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> MW3 IS BETTER THAN HALO 4…and that’s bad…

MW3 was utter trash.
Halo 4 is like diamonds covered in utter trash.
Black Ops 2 is like the worlds cleanest trash ever.

I have faaaaaaar more fun on Black Ops 2 and that game doesn’t even have fun competition. This game needs to get better, but evolution and loss of balance, competition, good campaign, custom games, theater, forge and quite a lot of other stuff is not the same.

Halo 4 is a graphically advanced regression in nearly all aspects of the game. And then 343 failed to cater to people who simply wanted a legit classic playlist. I mean, seriously. You can’t even toggle sprint in custom games without modding the gametype.

What the heck.

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> Hmmm, same cheesy graphics every year with a short warmup pointless campaign…

Viktor Reznov (is greater than) Sara Palmer any day of the week.

> Zombies, why ppl get off on killing a hoard of dead ppl I will nvr know… It works that way because half of their players are 9-14 yrs olds.

… Zombies is different than firefight and flood mode how exactly? I mean, I’m not a fan of zombies, but you’re being kind of ridiculous.

> Call me hater if you must for not liking a game that does not evolve…

Halo 4 is “evolving” and is still terrible. Call of Duty has a formula and they stick with it. I mean, if I was making almost a billion dollars off of the game, I wouldn’t go changing things around, would you?

> They have enough money to try it, they make a game every yr. Now as for Halo, it just needs adjustments, start going away from the COD ways, so ppl would stop comparing it… I’m tired of hearing these 2 names put together.

I’m not comparing it. I realise the games are in no way similar and comparing them is like comparing a tiger to a dolphin, but the point I’m trying to get across is that Call of Duty developers at Treyarch were intelligent enough to include a classic playlist and a balanced playlist because they knew there were fans of the series who did not like the killstreaks and other various crap that was in the game.

Developers over at 343i, were not that intelligent.

That is the simple point I am attempting to get across.