Halo is getting skunked, MS need to wake up and act,

Community General Discussion
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IMPORTANT
Okay I would like to ask people to refrain from flaming me, I am not intentially trolling I hope that you understand I am expressing a concern, I really would like to see your support as a community. This post is also in complete abidance with the forum rules so I ask don’t rage and report. Thanks

Introduction
Let me start of by saying I am really anti Call of Duty, I completely discorage anyone from purchasing another COD game as they are just the same game with different maps and a couple of new features released every year to gain activision money,

However I do feel that the Call Of Duty XP event that was held recently absolutely beat Halo Fest in every single respect, Halo Fest was just a massive dissapointment to me and I am starting to question Microsofts ownership of the Halo Franchise already, I don’t think there is enought money being put into marketing and fan relations,

MS just being plan childish.
A example of this is the lack of Andriod and IOS support for the Waypoint community. I am a developer and I know all to well MS could have hired and external source to produce an app for either systems in a matter of weeks, I know it’s a competition thing seeing as Apple are in direct competition with MS but IOS and Andriod support will directly please fans like myself and thus increase game sales. It is really childish how MS won’t develop a simple app for a competitors platfom this is one of the reasons they are loosing market.

The Harsh Reality
At any rate Call of duty has overtaken Halo as the NO.1 game on Xbox both sales wise and population wise, Yet all for the wrong reasons, If you want to argue it then check out:
www.vgcharts.com

343 & MS need to bump their fan relations and Halo Fest was on too smaller scale. CODXP had so so so much more and so much money spent on it I would estimate ten times more than Halo: Fest, Halo fest had a couple of panels and a couple hundred screens to play Halo: CEA on, The best part of Halo fest really was the community.

Whereas CODXP had all that plus more announcements and a zipline, a full humv driving range, the pit obstical course remade in full size, and a hole lot more, check out my link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlahVMuv3SM&feature=related

Read this bit without fail
The reason I am posting this is I belive that unless radical action and a whole lot more money is invested Halo is going to flop, again if you want to argue this look at the compare sales stats between Halo 3 and Reach in the first three months of release,

I am really not trying to cause tension or create a flame war as it is dubbed here in the cloud, but I am really dissapointed with the effort of 343 and MS so far especially in a Public Relations stand point,

So I ask two things, The first of which is highly unlikely and that is that 343 actually directly communicate with the communty stop reading the forums and getting our response from what we post. Setup a conference where a select number of random community member like myself (No one special) and talk using Skype or XBL Chat to disscuss our concerns there is a massive dissconect between us and 343 still, Yes its better than with Bungie but still can be improved.

Secondly I ask you Reply with advice for 343 on issues that you think they need to address, and also if you could Comment on my earlier request, and Lastly tell me what you think on the Halo Fest CODXP Debate.

Thanks
Blaze

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Stats Link:

Just thought I’d throw this link out there,
COD:BO - 12.93 Million Sales (XBOX ONLY)
Halo: Reach - 8.64 Million

Okay I really wished I could have used another game than COD again, To save from arguments, but it was a good example as both games came out in Q4 of 2010. Yet if you look a large difference in sales.

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I’d like to reply with a clear thought out and concise argument, but thread will probably be locked shortly due to blunt title, and opinionated OP.

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> Whereas CODXP had all that plus more announcements and a zipline, a full humv driving range, the pit obstical course remade in full size, and a hole lot more, check out my link.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlahVMuv3SM&feature=related

Can you explain to me what 343i could do compared to this?

The Warthog is to damn expensive to drive around, plus it’s one of the most memorial things for Halo in real life considering it was used for the Halo Arms Race video.

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The sad truth is if anyone expresses opinion then they are blocked.

Article 19
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

oh and If that wasn’t clear enought I am in complete abidance with the Forum Rules, FYI warning I can presue legal action if my human rights are broken, not that this happens often over forum posts being locked. but ah I can and may just do it.

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Its not because you have an opinion, it’s the way you are expressing it. You are also being quite cheeky and wearing out your welcome here quickly.

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> > Whereas CODXP had all that plus more announcements and a zipline, a full humv driving range, the pit obstical course remade in full size, and a hole lot more, check out my link.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlahVMuv3SM&feature=related
>
> Can you explain to me what 343i could do compared to this?
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> The Warthog is to damn expensive to drive around, plus it’s one of the most memorial things for Halo in real life considering it was used for the Halo Arms Race video.

Yet recreating two in game maps, purchasing a convoy of military hummers, builiding a zipline, hiring a whole warehouse and taking up a whole road is cheap.

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> Its not because you have an opinion, it’s the way you are expressing it.

Again Artice 19, “Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression” no matter how I am expressing it, expression is covered.

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> Yet recreating two in game maps, purchasing a convoy of military hummers, builiding a zipline, hiring a whole warehouse and taking up a whole road is cheap.

You can get the military hummers for fairly cheap if you just rent/borrow them. Ziplines usually only run about $50 if you set it up right, and warehouse could be volunteers. Taking up a road is almost free if you let city hall know that you have a demonstration scheduled.

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Why should I care that CoD is more popular?

No seriously. Why? Did I care when Halo out sold Unreal Tournament? Nope. Did I care when Unreal outsold Quake 3? Nope! Seriously, another developer made a more popular game. Not that big of a deal. I prefer this one. BTW -Yoink- Halo Fest AND CoDXP…it’s all about QUAKECON mofos!

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My argument is not Call of duty is more popular, My argument is MS are not giving as much support and attention to the fans as Activison.

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> > > Whereas CODXP had all that plus more announcements and a zipline, a full humv driving range, the pit obstical course remade in full size, and a hole lot more, check out my link.
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlahVMuv3SM&feature=related
> >
> > Can you explain to me what 343i could do compared to this?
> >
> > The Warthog is to damn expensive to drive around, plus it’s one of the most memorial things for Halo in real life considering it was used for the Halo Arms Race video.
>
> Yet recreating two in game maps, purchasing a convoy of military hummers, builiding a zipline, hiring a whole warehouse and taking up a whole road is cheap.

Completely skipped my fact on a memorial item in Halo History.

CoD XP for me was a massive let down.

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  1. No yoink! yoink! yoink! Kanye yoink! West.
  2. Not too many Halo vehicles around to test drive. They’re all bigger and more expensive than today’s models.
  3. We don’t have jetpacks to counter ziplines. We can simulate the Chief’s fall to Earth in Halo3 just once per person however.
  4. We don’t have many UNSC Marines to attend events. Not invented yet. Though of course we do see the community come as various ranks. Do they count?
  5. Halo: Reach sold more units in a week than Halo3. Halo3 sold more units within its first few months than Halo: Reach. Halo: Reach has sold nearly as many as Halo3 in the same time over a year. I give ya, that’s not an increase, which each other title did from one to the other.
  6. Popularity and quality, especially when “skill” based are rarely equally mixed. On XBL, the easiest shooter is the most popular shooter, not the most skilled.
  7. Halo is a 360 exclusive. CoD is a multiplatform game. There isn’t much “my system is better than you system” banter as there is “OMG, we both play the same game!!!” with CoD at school. Halo elitism doesn’t draw in players as well as CoD’s openness for noobs in the school yards. AND MS supports CoD. Ya know, the whole MW edition Xboxes and all?

We’ve got a TU coming with options that in most cases, should have been there from the beginning. IGN’s exclusive coverage. And a Combat Evolved remake to kickstart the TU. If you want more, Kanye is willing :slight_smile:

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I agree with more support for Waypoint, but I think that there is no reason to go super competitive with CoD. Halo has done extremely well over the years and it will continue to do well, so what if it doesn’t outsell CoD, Halo is always in the top 5 most purchased games and most played games on Xbox LIVE.

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> > > Whereas CODXP had all that plus more announcements and a zipline, a full humv driving range, the pit obstical course remade in full size, and a hole lot more, check out my link.
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlahVMuv3SM&feature=related
> >
> > Can you explain to me what 343i could do compared to this?
> >
> > The Warthog is to damn expensive to drive around, plus it’s one of the most memorial things for Halo in real life considering it was used for the Halo Arms Race video.
>
> Yet recreating two in game maps, purchasing a convoy of military hummers, builiding a zipline, hiring a whole warehouse and taking up a whole road is cheap.

1-mw3 maps are using modern building designs and materials so it wouldn’t be much of a challenge to recreate them and halo maps are usually huge,have futuristic structures and are far to complex to create in real life.
2-Hummers are real vehicles so they can just rent them for the event and none of halo vehicles actually exist so they’d have to be custom made which is extremly expensive.
3-A zipline wouldn’t make any sense for halo.
4-Halo had a whole floor at pax dedicated to halo…

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"Introduction
Let me start of by saying I am really anti Call of Duty, I completely discorage anyone from purchasing another COD game as they are just the same game with different maps and a couple of new features released every year to gain activision money"
…okay.

"However I do feel that the Call Of Duty XP event that was held recently absolutely beat Halo Fest in every single respect, Halo Fest was just a massive dissapointment to me and I am starting to question Microsofts ownership of the Halo Franchise already, I don’t think there is enought money being put into marketing and fan relations"
I disagree, HaloFest was a success and everyone who went enjoyed it and there were Grunt Plushies man, GRUNT PLUSHIES! They also had the WETA Hog, All the CEA maps, tons of Cosplay, C3PO and give aways. In addition to inspiring more fans to attend PAX next year.

"MS just being plan childish.
A example of this is the lack of Andriod and IOS support for the Waypoint community. I am a developer and I know all to well MS could have hired and external source to produce an app for either systems in a matter of weeks, I know it’s a competition thing seeing as Apple are in direct competition with MS but IOS and Andriod support will directly please fans like myself and thus increase game sales. It is really childish how MS won’t develop a simple app for a competitors platfom this is one of the reasons they are loosing market."

Forums are still in beta for the waypoint community, give it time. Bungie had an iPod/iPhone app and I am sure that eventually 343 will have one as well. I am also noticing that there are a several spelling mistakes in your posts, please take your time when writing to reduce these errors.

"The Harsh Reality
At any rate Call of duty has overtaken Halo as the NO.1 game on Xbox both sales wise and population wise, Yet all for the wrong reasons, If you want to argue it then check out:
www.vgcharts.com"

They can have the top selling game as long as we have the one that’s the most enjoyable. I don’t care if there is a billion more CoD players then Halo players. They can have the frustration of dealing with their own fanbase and sell some MW padded controllers (You know for when they throw them at the TV so it doesn’t break).

"343 & MS need to bump their fan relations and Halo Fest was on too smaller scale. CODXP had so so so much more and so much money spent on it I would estimate ten times more than Halo: Fest, Halo fest had a couple of panels and a couple hundred screens to play Halo: CEA on, The best part of Halo fest really was the community."

I agree, this is why we don’t need the money spent on it.

"Whereas CODXP had all that plus more announcements and a zipline, a full humv driving range, the pit obstical course remade in full size, and a hole lot more, check out my link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlahVMuv3SM&feature=related"
Their community needs it, because they don’t really have one.

"Read this bit without fail
The reason I am posting this is I belive that unless radical action and a whole lot more money is invested Halo is going to flop, again if you want to argue this look at the compare sales stats between Halo 3 and Reach in the first three months of release,"

Halo does not need a ton of money invested, and after CE it never really did. The Halo 2 Trailer was awesome and the Halo 3 commercials are “Legendary”. I didn’t even see a Reach/ODST commercial but I saw the posters at gamestop and heard that my friends were getting it; guess who bought a copy too. I don’t need to compare sales stats because I don’t work in the marketing/production of Halo, all I need to know is that they are going to keep releasing quality games. Please stop ending makeshift paragraphs with commas, I thought you studied law; not how to be a butcher.

"So I ask two things, The first of which is highly unlikely and that is that 343 actually directly communicate with the communty stop reading the forums and getting our response from what we post. Setup a conference where a select number of random community member like myself (No one special) and talk using Skype or XBL Chat to disscuss our concerns there is a massive dissconect between us and 343 still, Yes its better than with Bungie but still can be improved. "
I don’t understand how selecting a random sample to determine what changes are to be made would be better then the almost darwinian forums. I also do not sense any disconnect as the staff is actively and openly posting on the forums.

"Secondly I ask you Reply with advice for 343 on issues that you think they need to address, and also if you could Comment on my earlier request, and Lastly tell me what you think on the Halo Fest CODXP Debate."

We have threads for that; Feedback threads, they are quite long and maybe you should read them. I also believe I have heavily commented on your earlier requests and there is no Halo Fest/CODXP Debate.

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Its worth noting that Activision are launching a new COD installment where as Microsoft are launching a remastered ten year old title, so to think they should be putting in the same amount of marketing/PR recources is illogical.

I also think that Microsoft/343 know a hell of a lot more about successful franchise development than I do. So what business would I have in telling them how to do it?

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Yes. MW3 is finally a new installment. It’s about, 4 years and 5 expansion packs later :slight_smile: Halo4 is next year mate, did you not get the memo?

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> Yes. MW3 is finally a new installment. It’s about, 6 years and 5 expansion packs later :slight_smile: Halo4 is next year mate, did you not get the memo?

MW3 looks like a clone of MW2, MW2 used CoD4’s engine.

Fun :confused:

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You know what, CoD is currently everywhere, Inside Xbox has been full of Call of Duty XP all weekend long. Heck, I even got my gaming magazine today accompanied with a small booklet titled “Call of Duty Black Ops multiplayer guide”. I couldn’t care less about CoD, the more visible it is, the more I feel like I’m going to throw up.

I couldn’t care less about Call of Duty XP being bigger than Halo Fest, Activision are wasting billions of dollars to for Call of Duty. Like the winner of the CoD XP tournament got 1,000,000 dollars, that’s more than the top prize of any competitive gaming tournament, in a game that has little to no competitive value.

I’m not impressed in the least what Activision are doing with their money or how visible CoD is, it doesn’t matter, being popular doesn’t make it better. In reality Activision are just doing this whole thing in fear of Battlefield 3 taking the spotlight from CoD because it’s coming from their top competitor. We should just ignore it and let Activision throw as much money away as they want, we all know CoD is now at the peak of it’s popularity just like Halo 3 was, it will fall sooner or later. Until that we just can continue our normal lives.

P.S. About that booklet I got, it basically told a bunch of the most obvious ways how to play FPS games and how to get as much EXP as possible in Black Ops. Nothing really impressive.