343i shown the community a small look at the future of halo artstyle in Halo Infinite, but how much retcons will they do? I expact some retcons when it comes to halo infinite. What exactly will the retcons be? One retcon I think 343i will do is retcon the new elites, jackals, and grunts to be out of halo, since majority of halo fans hate those designs (I just hate the new grunts). I could be wrong but I belive 343i can’t make those design classic-esk looking and not changing the physical look. I expect few retcons for the story.Overall I see halo infinite during retcons to mainly remove things from the halo franchise that majority of halo fans hate. So far I expect HI to be 95% classic halo and 5% modern halo.
I’m assuming the 5% will only stick to the multiplayer?
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> I’m assuming the 5% will only stick to the multiplayer?
A few weapons and vehicles might be from halo 4/5 and some other artstyle things also.
Halo Wars 2 already began writing out the new art style in favour of the old, but since 343’s so lore crazy it’s never going to be gone entirely. I respect that they’re not just lazily saying “It’s different now, get used to it” like they did with Halo 4 (only to have to create a series of convoluted reasons as to why it’s different later down the line), but it was an obvious mistake that should have never been made in the first place.
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> 343i shown the community a small look at the future of halo artstyle in Halo Infinite, but how much retcons will they do? I expact some retcons when it comes to halo infinite. What exactly will the retcons be? One retcon I think 343i will do is retcon the new elites, jackals, and grunts to be out of halo, since majority of halo fans hate those designs (I just hate the new grunts). I could be wrong but I belive 343i can’t make those design classic-esk looking and not changing the physical look. I expect few retcons for the story.Overall I see halo infinite during retcons to mainly remove things from the halo franchise that majority of halo fans hate. So far I expect HI to be 95% classic halo and 5% modern halo.
You’re aware that those Elites and such aren’t a simple artistic design, right? They’re it’s own subspecies. I would personally hope for 70% classic and 30% modern.
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> > 343i shown the community a small look at the future of halo artstyle in Halo Infinite, but how much retcons will they do? I expact some retcons when it comes to halo infinite. What exactly will the retcons be? One retcon I think 343i will do is retcon the new elites, jackals, and grunts to be out of halo, since majority of halo fans hate those designs (I just hate the new grunts). I could be wrong but I belive 343i can’t make those design classic-esk looking and not changing the physical look. I expect few retcons for the story.Overall I see halo infinite during retcons to mainly remove things from the halo franchise that majority of halo fans hate. So far I expect HI to be 95% classic halo and 5% modern halo.
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> You’re aware that those Elites and such aren’t a simple artistic design, right? They’re it’s own subspecies. I would personally hope for 70% classic and 30% modern.
Technically not true since there a complete redesign doesn’t much up with anything that we know about the race as a whole, drastically changes their entire species including ones we know about, sure there might be sub-species but that wouldn’t explain why the Arbiter also changed from his classic art style. I think the sub-species is a bit of a weak excuse when this excuse was used for Skirmishers in Halo Reach, yet they still looked like sub-species of Jackels while the new Elites look too drastically different…just like the Klingons redesigns in Star Trek Discovery that make no sense, the modern Elites end up looking more like sub-species of Brutes.
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> > > 343i shown the community a small look at the future of halo artstyle in Halo Infinite, but how much retcons will they do? I expact some retcons when it comes to halo infinite. What exactly will the retcons be? One retcon I think 343i will do is retcon the new elites, jackals, and grunts to be out of halo, since majority of halo fans hate those designs (I just hate the new grunts). I could be wrong but I belive 343i can’t make those design classic-esk looking and not changing the physical look. I expect few retcons for the story.Overall I see halo infinite during retcons to mainly remove things from the halo franchise that majority of halo fans hate. So far I expect HI to be 95% classic halo and 5% modern halo.
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> > You’re aware that those Elites and such aren’t a simple artistic design, right? They’re it’s own subspecies. I would personally hope for 70% classic and 30% modern.
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> Technically not true, sure there might be sub-species but that wouldn’t explain why the Arbiter also changed from his classic art style. I think the sub-species is a bit of a weak excuse when even this was excuse was used for Skirmishers in Halo Reach, yet they still looked like sub-species of Jackels while the new Elites look too drastic…just like the Klingons redesigns in -Yoink!- that make no sense, the modern Elites end up looking more like sub-species of Brutes.
Probably because it was already too late to redesign him?
Well, then what excuse do you want for them? That they Elites became brutish with weird mouth and stuff because of evolution?
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> > > > 343i shown the community a small look at the future of halo artstyle in Halo Infinite, but how much retcons will they do? I expact some retcons when it comes to halo infinite. What exactly will the retcons be? One retcon I think 343i will do is retcon the new elites, jackals, and grunts to be out of halo, since majority of halo fans hate those designs (I just hate the new grunts). I could be wrong but I belive 343i can’t make those design classic-esk looking and not changing the physical look. I expect few retcons for the story.Overall I see halo infinite during retcons to mainly remove things from the halo franchise that majority of halo fans hate. So far I expect HI to be 95% classic halo and 5% modern halo.
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> > Technically not true, sure there might be sub-species but that wouldn’t explain why the Arbiter also changed from his classic art style. I think the sub-species is a bit of a weak excuse when even this was excuse was used for Skirmishers in Halo Reach, yet they still looked like sub-species of Jackels while the new Elites look too drastic…just like the Klingons redesigns in -Yoink!- that make no sense, the modern Elites end up looking more like sub-species of Brutes.
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> Probably because it was already too late to redesign him?
> Well, then what excuse do you want for them? That they Elites became brutish with weird mouth and stuff because of evolution?
Well they had 2 full games to go back but they didn’t. I feel like the changes should be retconned in Infinite since it wouldn’t make sense to keep them in since it make’s no sense to call it evolution when nothing improved, it was clearly an art style choice, I’m pretty confident 343i will make future art style changes for many races later down the line but some things need to change.
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> > > Technically not true, sure there might be sub-species but that wouldn’t explain why the Arbiter also changed from his classic art style. I think the sub-species is a bit of a weak excuse when even this was excuse was used for Skirmishers in Halo Reach, yet they still looked like sub-species of Jackels while the new Elites look too drastic…just like the Klingons redesigns in -Yoink!- that make no sense, the modern Elites end up looking more like sub-species of Brutes.
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> > Well, then what excuse do you want for them? That they Elites became brutish with weird mouth and stuff because of evolution?
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> Well they had 2 full games to go back but they didn’t. I feel like the changes should be retconned in Infinite since it wouldn’t make sense to keep them in since it make’s no sense to call it evolution when nothing improved, it was clearly an art style choice, I’m pretty confident 343i will make future art style changes for many races later down the line but some things need to change.
Things were different back then. It was initially an artistic choice, but now it’s part of the lore. Just like the new Beam Rifle, or Rocket Launcher.
When I say evolution I mean evolution as in the species, not the game or… you know what I mean.
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> > > > > > 343i shown the community a small look at the future of halo artstyle in Halo Infinite, but how much retcons will they do? I expact some retcons when it comes to halo infinite. What exactly will the retcons be? One retcon I think 343i will do is retcon the new elites, jackals, and grunts to be out of halo, since majority of halo fans hate those designs (I just hate the new grunts). I could be wrong but I belive 343i can’t make those design classic-esk looking and not changing the physical look. I expect few retcons for the story.Overall I see halo infinite during retcons to mainly remove things from the halo franchise that majority of halo fans hate. So far I expect HI to be 95% classic halo and 5% modern halo.
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> > > > Technically not true, sure there might be sub-species but that wouldn’t explain why the Arbiter also changed from his classic art style. I think the sub-species is a bit of a weak excuse when even this was excuse was used for Skirmishers in Halo Reach, yet they still looked like sub-species of Jackels while the new Elites look too drastic…just like the Klingons redesigns in -Yoink!- that make no sense, the modern Elites end up looking more like sub-species of Brutes.
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> > > Well, then what excuse do you want for them? That they Elites became brutish with weird mouth and stuff because of evolution?
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> > Well they had 2 full games to go back but they didn’t. I feel like the changes should be retconned in Infinite since it wouldn’t make sense to keep them in since it make’s no sense to call it evolution when nothing improved, it was clearly an art style choice, I’m pretty confident 343i will make future art style changes for many races later down the line but some things need to change.
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> Things were different back then. It was initially an artistic choice, but now it’s part of the lore. Just like the new Beam Rifle, or Rocket Launcher.
> When I say evolution I mean evolution as in the species, not the game or… you know what I mean.
Lore-wise yes there’s sub-species but that’s the case with most in the Halo universe, weapons too but I doubt they’ll keep the artistic changes for too long for the Elites, maybe the Grunts too due to their redesign’s being unpopular while there are ways to improve the designs while keep their general look similar, improved upon.
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> > > > > Technically not true, sure there might be sub-species but that wouldn’t explain why the Arbiter also changed from his classic art style. I think the sub-species is a bit of a weak excuse when even this was excuse was used for Skirmishers in Halo Reach, yet they still looked like sub-species of Jackels while the new Elites look too drastic…just like the Klingons redesigns in -Yoink!- that make no sense, the modern Elites end up looking more like sub-species of Brutes.
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> > > > Probably because it was already too late to redesign him?
> > > > Well, then what excuse do you want for them? That they Elites became brutish with weird mouth and stuff because of evolution?
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> > > Well they had 2 full games to go back but they didn’t. I feel like the changes should be retconned in Infinite since it wouldn’t make sense to keep them in since it make’s no sense to call it evolution when nothing improved, it was clearly an art style choice, I’m pretty confident 343i will make future art style changes for many races later down the line but some things need to change.
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> > Things were different back then. It was initially an artistic choice, but now it’s part of the lore. Just like the new Beam Rifle, or Rocket Launcher.
> > When I say evolution I mean evolution as in the species, not the game or… you know what I mean.
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> Lore-wise yes there’s sub-species but that’s the case with most in the Halo universe, weapons too but I doubt they’ll keep the artistic changes for too long for the Elites, maybe the Grunts too due to their redesign’s being unpopular while there are ways to improve the designs while keep their general look similar, improved upon.
Either one or the other, but 343 WILL go with classic. Best case scenario is have BOTH subspecies. May be a bit redundant, but could work IF one fulfills roles the other can’t. Like, imagine the classic Elites being the ordinary soldier and the modern Elites being the Heavy gunners. Grunts could follow HW2’s formula. Classic Grunts are ordinary troops while modern Grunts are used for more… explosive matters. Classic Jackals are marksman, always hiding with a Sniper Rifle and sniping you Halo 2 style (plz no XD) while the modern Jackals go to the frontlines with shields. Old Jackals never get shields, but new ones do. And that’s it.
Im actually 100% okay with the possibility of 343 retconing the covenant designs.
I just hope they give arbiter his old look back( and look like the first cutscene in H2A where he is talking to Locke) instead of what he looks like in H5.
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Again, they’re not a retcon, they’re it’s own subspecies. Like the Beam Rifle, or Rocket Launcher.
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> You’re aware that those Elites and such aren’t a simple artistic design, right? They’re it’s own subspecies. I would personally hope for 70% classic and 30% modern.
Yes I know the new elites are a sub-species. But when you look at the elite info on here it doesn’t say their are, unlike the jackals which do have three in depth lore on three 3 jackal species. So far the new elites are show as just elite with no lore why they look different.
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> > > > > > > > 343i shown the community a small look at the future of halo artstyle in Halo Infinite, but how much retcons will they do? I expact some retcons when it comes to halo infinite. What exactly will the retcons be? One retcon I think 343i will do is retcon the new elites, jackals, and grunts to be out of halo, since majority of halo fans hate those designs (I just hate the new grunts). I could be wrong but I belive 343i can’t make those design classic-esk looking and not changing the physical look. I expect few retcons for the story.Overall I see halo infinite during retcons to mainly remove things from the halo franchise that majority of halo fans hate. So far I expect HI to be 95% classic halo and 5% modern halo.
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> > > > > > Technically not true, sure there might be sub-species but that wouldn’t explain why the Arbiter also changed from his classic art style. I think the sub-species is a bit of a weak excuse when even this was excuse was used for Skirmishers in Halo Reach, yet they still looked like sub-species of Jackels while the new Elites look too drastic…just like the Klingons redesigns in -Yoink!- that make no sense, the modern Elites end up looking more like sub-species of Brutes.
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> > > > > Well, then what excuse do you want for them? That they Elites became brutish with weird mouth and stuff because of evolution?
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> > > > Well they had 2 full games to go back but they didn’t. I feel like the changes should be retconned in Infinite since it wouldn’t make sense to keep them in since it make’s no sense to call it evolution when nothing improved, it was clearly an art style choice, I’m pretty confident 343i will make future art style changes for many races later down the line but some things need to change.
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> Either one or the other, but 343 WILL go with classic. Best case scenario is have BOTH subspecies. May be a bit redundant, but could work IF one fulfills roles the other can’t. Like, imagine the classic Elites being the ordinary soldier and the modern Elites being the Heavy gunners. Grunts could follow HW2’s formula. Classic Grunts are ordinary troops while modern Grunts are used for more… explosive matters. Classic Jackals are marksman, always hiding with a Sniper Rifle and sniping you Halo 2 style (plz no XD) while the modern Jackals go to the frontlines with shields. Old Jackals never get shields, but new ones do. And that’s it.
I’d rather the modern Elites just disappear entirely since I just can’t stand them, it just clashes with what makes a Halo look visually amazing. H2W formula usually works because the classic art style usually overshadows everything else but in first person this is more difficult since it’s close up, personal while in a RTS you can barely see the detail compared to an FPS shooter plus I can’t stand how big those Grunts look in modern Halo since look like they were only enlarged to make them easier to shoot at, if they want to improve them then they probably should look at the Halo 2A variations because they improved the designs, made them look better. As for the modern Jackels their redesign bugs me too.
The thing is change should happen but only if done right, modern changes shouldn’t just stay just because there new but they should fine a way redesign them each game while trying to keep their iconic look, look at Brutes for example…they looked great in classic Halo, yet the modern Brutes also look great too, it’s the same with the Hunters. So I’m all for sub-species but only if the only art style fits the universe, I feel like Halo 4,5’s changes didn’t work while Halo Wars 2 did, it seems like Infinite might be settling on a new art style that works.
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> > > > > > > > > 343i shown the community a small look at the future of halo artstyle in Halo Infinite, but how much retcons will they do? I expact some retcons when it comes to halo infinite. What exactly will the retcons be? One retcon I think 343i will do is retcon the new elites, jackals, and grunts to be out of halo, since majority of halo fans hate those designs (I just hate the new grunts). I could be wrong but I belive 343i can’t make those design classic-esk looking and not changing the physical look. I expect few retcons for the story.Overall I see halo infinite during retcons to mainly remove things from the halo franchise that majority of halo fans hate. So far I expect HI to be 95% classic halo and 5% modern halo.
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> > > > > > > Technically not true, sure there might be sub-species but that wouldn’t explain why the Arbiter also changed from his classic art style. I think the sub-species is a bit of a weak excuse when even this was excuse was used for Skirmishers in Halo Reach, yet they still looked like sub-species of Jackels while the new Elites look too drastic…just like the Klingons redesigns in -Yoink!- that make no sense, the modern Elites end up looking more like sub-species of Brutes.
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> > > > > Well they had 2 full games to go back but they didn’t. I feel like the changes should be retconned in Infinite since it wouldn’t make sense to keep them in since it make’s no sense to call it evolution when nothing improved, it was clearly an art style choice, I’m pretty confident 343i will make future art style changes for many races later down the line but some things need to change.
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> I’d rather the modern Elites just disappear entirely since I just can’t stand them, it just clashes with what makes a Halo look visually amazing. H2W formula usually works because the classic art style usually overshadows everything else but in first person this is more difficult since it’s close up, personal while in a RTS you can barely see the detail compared to an FPS shooter plus I can’t stand how big those Grunts look in modern Halo since look like they were only enlarged to make them easier to shoot at, if they want to improve them then they probably should look at the Halo 2A variations because they improved the designs, made them look better. As for the modern Jackels their redesign bugs me too.
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> The thing is change should happen but only if done right, modern changes shouldn’t just stay just because there new but they should fine a way redesign them each game while trying to keep their iconic look, look at Brutes for example…they looked great in classic Halo, yet the modern Brutes also look great too, it’s the same with the Hunters. So I’m all for sub-species but only if the only art style fits the universe, I feel like Halo 4,5’s changes didn’t work while Halo Wars 2 did, it seems like Infinite might be settling on a new art style that works.
You basically prove that majority of halo fans do hate the halo 4/5 elites and want them to completely retcon them out of halo (even though there r fans who like the new elite). Also in Halo Wars 2 not all elites are the H2A design. Yes 99% of them are the H2A elites, but the honor guard elites are the halo 4/5 elite. 343i could put the H4/5 elites in classic looking armor (i.e ultra, h3 default armor) and most people wouldn’t know its the new elites at a distance. Btw the arbiter in H5G was supposed to be the H2A design (and the sos also i think) but 343i didn’t have the time to do it.
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There will always be fans that will like some things that most may hate but can’t please everyone, I don’t think trying to cater to both fan-base’s works since in many cases it just ends up splitting the community like what happened with 5, in the end all it did was cause more problems than solutions, in the end it ended only catering to 4/5 fans, not classic fans. The thing about Halo 4/5 art style is just changing the armour won’t make them better since there’s other things that were off putting like how they walk, etc…since a common thing people seem to say is the modern Elites feel more like Brutes.
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> There will always be fans that will like some things that most may hate but can’t please everyone, I don’t think trying to cater to both fan-base’s works since in many cases it just ends up splitting the community like what happened with 5, in the end all it did was cause more problems than solutions, in the end it ended only catering to 4/5 fans, not classic fans. The thing about Halo 4/5 art style is just changing the armour won’t make them better since there’s other things that were off putting like how they walk, etc…since a common thing people seem to say is the modern Elites feel more like Brutes.
So 343i should just soley make HI and going halo games for the majority which r classic fans? Because 343i will get more hate from the classic fans and less hate from modern fans, so the best thing is to give the middle finger to modern fans and listen to classic fans only.
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> So 343i should just soley make HI and going halo games for the majority which r classic fans? Because 343i will get more hate from the classic fans and less hate from modern fans, so the best thing is to give the middle finger to modern fans and listen to classic fans only.
Sort of yes, no. Classic art style should always be important since it was what made the franchise so iconic but like said previously…can’t please everyone, it’s not much different to fans asking for only modern art style, that’s mainly what we’ve been getting, it’s mostly made modern games underwhelming. The problem is any art style can ‘evolve’ but the modern art style by itself isn’t great, the classic art style is great but the thing is graphics change all the time, a new art style always evolves…just like how the new Flood in Halo Wars 2 look barely anything like their classic art style, yet there sort of improving so it’s more about finding ways to make new designs look more interesting instead of trying to keep new changes for the sake for the sake of change.
The thing about an art style is if it’s done right it can look amazing but if done wrong then it can make a world seem boring. Look at Cortana for an example…her design’s in general since her art style has changed drastically per game, yet key changes can make a character more interesting, yet each version of Cortana was made with the creators unique art style.
