I really hope 343 listen to all the fans and YouTubers and take them seriously especually the ones who criticised halo 5 so much cause 343 really need to redeem themselves and the halo franchise when it comes to halo infinite…
Video of everything wrong with halo 5 that many of us hope 343 have learned from!
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> I really hope 343 listen to all the fans and YouTubers and take them seriously especually the ones who criticised halo 5 souch cause 343 really need to redeem themselves and the halo franchise when it comes to halo infinite…
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> Video of everything wrong with halo 5 that many of us hope 343 have learned from!
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> Why is Halo 5's Campaign So BAD!? (Part 1) Marketing, Expanded Lore, & Intro Cinematics - YouTube
I honestly believe Halo 5 was thrown together in a year. The entire game felt off. It seems like Halo Infinite had the time to plan the story and direction however the engine really hurt it more than anything. I really believe Halo Infinite has the potential to be up there with Halo 2 and Halo 3.
Halo 5 received a lot of flak. And it especially deserved it up front.
The campaign wasn’t anything like the pre-game hype… and surprised everyone by over-focussing on Osiris.
And the multiplayer was patchy.
But the multiplayer ended up being awesome. I know it’s the furthest from classic Halo… but once you get used to the controls you can have a lot of fun. It’s my favourite MP to date.
Forge was brilliant.
And even the Campaign… once distanced from the anti-hype isn’t that bad. I played through on Legendary just a month or two ago and quite enjoyed it. Certainly a lot more than I did five years ago. Some of the dialogue is a tad cringe. Osiris aren’t that bad - they just aren’t Blue Team. And the Warden is repetitive (especially taking on three of them). But the story was ok for the middle part of a trilogy.
Was playing with a dude the other day and he was going on and on about how terrible some other game was (I forget which one) I replied that you know I had actually really enjoyed it. He responds that he’s never played it but all the YouTube say it’s -Yoink-.
Halo 5 MP ended up being fun as hell. There are still issues but it’s been a genuine hoot for me.
The campaign is -Yoink- but as another commenter stated, it feels thrown together more than deliberately -Yoink-. The several go here and talk to this person missions suggest to me that they originally planned to do a much larger campaign where those missions fit more in and ran out of time.
I personally think that 343I intends to do better with Infinite.
However, the disaster we saw last year was not simply a result of COVID. If they are sitting here with an extra year of development unable to include CO-OP and forge at launch, they were very very far behind before COVID became an issue. So yeah I think they intend to do better, but whether or not they will actually manage it is another thing.
Love TheActMan’s videos and he usually nails it when it comes to criticizing and complimenting a game. He’s also a huge Halo fan and understands the franchise and lore quite a bit, which makes his points more valid than someone who comments on a game without even playing it.
I suggest watching all of his Halo videos, hell just watch all of his videos. They’re pretty entertaining.
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> 1. I am sick of YouTube creators convincing people that everyone feels the way they do. We are to the point where people will criticize things with the only rationale being “______ posted a video about how bad it is”.
Yeah it is not because a small group of people yell an idea that it is true. For example, youtubers say that advanced mobilitie of Halo 5 didn’t respect Halo, but it’s their idea and not a truth. They can yell it as loud as they want, it will not prevent a lot of players to love advanced mobilitie, including me.
halo 2 came out in the state it was and still ended out great and they had very small time. 343 had 6 years to focus on infinite and we are just getting free multiplayer and single player only campaign. It does not matter about Covid 343 just isn’t bungie
How about don’t make another Halo game without having Master Chief in it again shall we? Guardians was terrible. C’mon, let’s make a Halo game but not let you actually play as the Master Chief. We’ll let you play as someone else and you’ll have to try to find the Chief. What idiot in their right mind thinks a sad, poor, weak plot line stolen from 24 would actually be a good idea? It boggles the mind that some people still have jobs after.
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> How about don’t make another Halo game without having Master Chief in it again shall we? Guardians was terrible. C’mon, let’s make a Halo game but not let you actually play as the Master Chief. We’ll let you play as someone else and you’ll have to try to find the Chief. What idiot in their right mind thinks a sad, poor, weak plot line stolen from 24 would actually be a good idea? It boggles the mind that some people still have jobs after.
it can be done without playing as master chief look at ODST and reach (granted master chief was in reach as an Easter egg but still)
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> > How about don’t make another Halo game without having Master Chief in it again shall we? Guardians was terrible. C’mon, let’s make a Halo game but not let you actually play as the Master Chief. We’ll let you play as someone else and you’ll have to try to find the Chief. What idiot in their right mind thinks a sad, poor, weak plot line stolen from 24 would actually be a good idea? It boggles the mind that some people still have jobs after.
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> it can be done without playing as master chief look at ODST and reach (granted master chief was in reach as an Easter egg but still)
Fair enough but those were intentionally labeled as side stories and everyone was made well aware of what they were getting before even starting the game. I liked both ODST and Reach quite a bit. Neither had a picture of Master Chief on their games. Guardians did. It wasn’t even a bait and switch. It was more like a 14 year old tried to come up with a story of how we can troll the fans. Let’s make Cortana EVIL and then that really cool guy you like, John, you don’t get to play as him. We’ll let you play as some other random dude with zero charisma. Yep, and then we’ll take away all the extra features that you’ve come to know and love. Say goodbye to splitscreen, couch co-op, forge, file share, we’re going to remove that. Because, hey, we hired a bunch of Call of Duty fanboys that don’t actually like how Halo plays. So, we’ll try to screw you in other ways.
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> How about don’t make another Halo game without having Master Chief in it again shall we? Guardians was terrible. C’mon, let’s make a Halo game but not let you actually play as the Master Chief.
Did you not like ODST, Reach, Wars 1, or Wars 2? I would actually love for there to be more spinoff Halo games. If done right, they can be very compelling. The world they’ve created is more than just Chief…
That being said, I love playing as MC. He’s such a badass character. Miss playing as the Arbiter too…
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> > How about don’t make another Halo game without having Master Chief in it again shall we? Guardians was terrible. C’mon, let’s make a Halo game but not let you actually play as the Master Chief.
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> Did you not like ODST, Reach, Wars 1, or Wars 2? I would actually love for there to be more spinoff Halo games. If done right, they can be very compelling. The world they’ve created is more than just Chief…
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> That being said, I love playing as MC. He’s such a badass character. Miss playing as the Arbiter too…
You bring up good games and points. But in all of those cases the cover of the game didn’t have Master Chief on it. I can’t describe how bad a game from a plot perspective Guardians is. Least of which is they took away something that’s shown on the cover of it. It’s fine if they want to make a game without Master Chief, but then don’t put him on the cover and have anyone assume that’s he’s more than a mere cameo within it in that case.
I’ve always been big on the pre release content e.g. Halo 3 Believe, Landfall, Deliver Hope, Awaken, Hunt the Truth. Hunt the Truth was damn good, but unfortunately felt like I wasted my time in the end. As Guardians was going to be released they almost made the game seem like some espionage elements were going to be implemented and they had all the right ingredients. A Halo 2 style of switching between two points of view, bringing in Blue Team for the book fans, going to SANGHELIOS for Christ’s sake, and Master Chief was doing something SO controversial that he is being hunted down (Considering Halo 4 Del Rio conflict that’s hype). So what went wrong? As a Halo 2 Xbox veteran, this is my opinion.
The problem was never “We only care about Chief blah blah”; it’s a lackluster story. As Master Chief, the player walked around the entire game just looking for Cortana, “It seems she wants us to go here, what does she want Chief, where are you Cortana, etc.” While Locke had the more interesting parts, Sanghelios and Meridian for example. Essentially, when we had to play as 117 it felt like we were just walking around aimlessly, and that made John feel… well… useless. Add two tiny excuses for missions to make the game appear longer than it really is, and you might have an upset fanbase. Though, like Halo 2, it ended with a cliffhanger (like I predicted, woo me!). But unlike Halo 2, it didn’t tell a story of struggle, valor, growth, and sacrifice. Halo 5, while interesting in it’s own right, is vastly empty and the whole game was a prelude to the interesting part.
Halo 5 rightly received a lot of very negative opinion for things you wouldn’t associate with a great Halo game. Played for what it is however and you are left with a very good combat feel. I play campaign quite a bit these days but it’s a game you have to play a certain way otherwise it can be tedious. Hopefully Infinite will be playtested to absolute death because it’s then you become that much more familiar with the subtle nuances that make a game fun. Hence why Halo2 can be so frustrating
But anyway it would be suicide if Infinite didn’t feel like it was at least better than Halo5. MS knows they can’t really mess about this time so expect at the very least a very competent game overall gameplay wise but one perhaps that follows the trend of pushing certain political aspects as well. Maybe get used to that you’re going to be dealing with current topics and perhaps a slightly more sensitive Chief as fitting in todays climate of things. Hopefully they’ll really nail the gameplay though
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> halo 2 came out in the state it was and still ended out great and they had very small time. 343 had 6 years to focus on infinite and we are just getting free multiplayer and single player only campaign. It does not matter about Covid 343 just isn’t bungie
I like how you say halo 2 ended up great. Halo 2’s campaign recieved some backlash from halo CE purists at the time for the campaign. Many people went into Halo 2’s campaign expecting it to be a straight forward hero shooting bad aliens, but it was far from that. It gave us a story for the covenant and had us even empathize with one of their members. This was a huge departure from CE, and I haven’t mentioned we actually play missions as the arbiter. The arbiter was just as randomly introduced as team Osiris was.
Then we go to the multiplayer. Halo 2 multiplayer was known for it’s glitches. The button combos were not intentional by bungie and are in fact glitches.
It did turn out to be appreciated but it did not make it without it’s fair share of criticism. Personally, halo 2 has my favorite campaign.
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> I like how you say halo 2 ended up great. Halo 2’s campaign recieved some backlash from halo CE purists at the time for the campaign. Many people went into Halo 2’s campaign expecting it to be a straight forward hero shooting bad aliens, but it was far from that. It gave us a story for the covenant and had us even empathize with one of their members. This was a huge departure from CE, and I haven’t mentioned we actually play missions as the arbiter. The arbiter was just as randomly introduced as team Osiris was.
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> Then we go to the multiplayer. Halo 2 multiplayer was known for it’s glitches. The button combos were not intentional by bungie and are in fact glitches.
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> It did turn out to be appreciated but it did not make it without it’s fair share of criticism. Personally, halo 2 has my favorite campaign.
Halo 2 had the luckiest glitches of all time. Rarely does a game broken that bad actually make it have more content LOL
I think Halo Infinite will be a good campaign.
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> > How about don’t make another Halo game without having Master Chief in it again shall we? Guardians was terrible. C’mon, let’s make a Halo game but not let you actually play as the Master Chief.
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> Did you not like ODST, Reach, Wars 1, or Wars 2? I would actually love for there to be more spinoff Halo games. If done right, they can be very compelling. The world they’ve created is more than just Chief…
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> That being said, I love playing as MC. He’s such a badass character. Miss playing as the Arbiter too…
I like other halo games as well even with no MC but there are people who explicitly play only because of him, he is an iconic character afterall so them not prioritizing him in halo 5 was a valid issue for people. It works for ODST, reach and halo wars because they were spin-offs and were known to not have him involved. No one knew MC wouldn’t be as involved in H5 until the game was out and that was 343s screw up as well as even thinking of cutting his time in a mainline title was a good idea. Halo 2 had the same backlash as well as people not liking the arbitor back when H2 happened.
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> You bring up good games and points. But in all of those cases the cover of the game didn’t have Master Chief on it. I can’t describe how bad a game from a plot perspective Guardians is. Least of which is they took away something that’s shown on the cover of it. It’s fine if they want to make a game without Master Chief, but then don’t put him on the cover and have anyone assume that’s he’s more than a mere cameo within it in that case.
I agree with you on Guardians. The story was lackluster, to say the least. That seems to be the more uncommon experience for non-MC led games though, as the others are stellar.
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> > > How about don’t make another Halo game without having Master Chief in it again shall we? Guardians was terrible. C’mon, let’s make a Halo game but not let you actually play as the Master Chief.
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> > That being said, I love playing as MC. He’s such a badass character. Miss playing as the Arbiter too…
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> I like other halo games as well even with no MC but there are people who explicitly play only because of him, he is an iconic character afterall so them not prioritizing him in halo 5 was a valid issue for people. It works for ODST, reach and halo wars because they were spin-offs and were known to not have him involved. No one knew MC wouldn’t be as involved in H5 until the game was out and that was 343s screw up as well as even thinking of cutting his time in a mainline title was a good idea. Halo 2 had the same backlash as well as people not liking the arbitor back when H2 happened.
I understand the frustration around H5. The marketing for that game was very misleading, and there was a ton of potential left on the table for that game. I still play MCC over H5, and haven’t even gotten around to playing H5 MP, as H3 is just too damn fun lol.