Halo Infinite. A new/old enemy? Why? Some ranting.

Games Halo Infinite
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Well I’ve gotten older. I’ve always been a gamer. From pin ball to spending $200 in quarters so I could finish Terminator 2 at the arcade. To Nintendo and Xbox, I must have played them all :slight_smile: I mention this just to show I have some knowledge about games. Mario, StarCraft, Master or Orion, and of course Halo. A friends son turned me onto it in 2001 and I’ve been hooked ever since.

So I’m wondering why Halo Infinite is not finishing the Master Chief/Cortana story. IMHO its time. And that to me is the problem 343 is facing. They don’t want to do it. On the one hand they have long time fans who don’t want to see him go and new fans who want new blood and new abilities.

I want their story finished. Yes. Their story. Cause to me the preceding games have turned their story into a love story. There. I said it. I don’t think anyone would deny that.

And lets face it. The Chief is getting on in years. He can’t remain a functioning/fighting Spartan forever. He has to go so as to make room for new. And that scares the crap out of 343 I think. I cant argue with the fans that want new equipment and new abilities. Time is marching on in the Halo universe so its inevitable that new heroes, armor, weapons, etc, are coming. Again, which is why this needs to happen.

Cause to me it was the mettle of the Chief, not the armor or abilities. And with his AI “Companion” they both saved the day. And we saw their relationship grow into more.

So that’s it 343. I realize a lot of work has gone into Infinite. But as some point in time your going to have to do this. The Chief and Cortana need to walk off into some memonic, fully infested, great journey sunset together. Or die trying to save each other. Your choice. Finish the fight. And a Great story! Cause that’s what it is.

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Master Chief need a story end, one day, but for now, he need a story to catch up the Halo 5 fiasco

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I’m surprised this wasn’t about the banished being close to the covies, and is instead about chief.

I mean, I agree with you, but given the backlash after halo 5, i don’t think 343 has any intentions to ditch chief.

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A series like Halo although I think it could survive without Chief it would be a hard blow to take for both fans and 343.

Now just touching on the Cortana side of things I was very upset they didn’t leave Cortana be after that great ending for her in Halo 4.

Going forward though I wouldn’t mind a redemption arc for Cortana then if she were to pair back up with chief would be epic. I would love that at least.

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> Well I’ve gotten older. I’ve always been a gamer. From pin ball to spending $200 in quarters so I could finish Terminator 2 at the arcade. To Nintendo and Xbox, I must have played them all :slight_smile: I mention this just to show I have some knowledge about games. Mario, StarCraft, Master or Orion, and of course Halo. A friends son turned me onto it in 2001 and I’ve been hooked ever since.
>
> So I’m wondering why Halo Infinite is not finishing the Master Chief/Cortana story. IMHO its time. And that to me is the problem 343 is facing. They don’t want to do it. On the one hand they have long time fans who don’t want to see him go and new fans who want new blood and new abilities.
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> I want their story finished. Yes. Their story. Cause to me the preceding games have turned their story into a love story. There. I said it. I don’t think anyone would deny that.
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> And lets face it. The Chief is getting on in years. He can’t remain a functioning/fighting Spartan forever. He has to go so as to make room for new. And that scares the crap out of 343 I think. I cant argue with the fans that want new equipment and new abilities. Time is marching on in the Halo universe so its inevitable that new heroes, armor, weapons, etc, are coming. Again, which is why this needs to happen.
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> Cause to me it was the mettle of the Chief, not the armor or abilities. And with his AI “Companion” they both saved the day. And we saw their relationship grow into more.
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> So that’s it 343. I realize a lot of work has gone into Infinite. But as some point in time your going to have to do this. The Chief and Cortana need to walk off into some memonic, fully infested, great journey sunset together. Or die trying to save each other. Your choice. Finish the fight. And a Great story! Cause that’s what it is.

ok i get what ur saying, but it seems you have very little knowledge in whats actually going on in halo right now story wise. or you just wrote it in a way that suggests that?

Anyaw chief is old in our terms of life but in the future people live to like 120 or so, and chief also most probably has a geas / didact within him after the change that happened to him during halo 4. This alone will prolong his life as long as the writers deem needed. Either way his age is not an issue tbh.

When it comes to halo infinite story, infinite is going to focus on Cortana and will carry on from events right after halo 5. If you have lison to the recent interview with Steve Downes he goes into some detail about this, and its wroth a watch. So yeh i think infinite will cover this side of things more than you may think.
There are are also big story tie inns from the books recent books like “point of light” which can tie in to Halo 07 " Zeta" which is the halo we’re going to be on during Infinite. So yeh 343i are doing it, and thats where i feel like you don’t actually get whats going on?
Lets not also forget the theory, that cortana did actually die in halo 4, and this cortana we’re seeing in h5 and going into infinite isn’t actually her anymore and could be some curruption or connection to “medicant bias” so it could all be a ruse, and you have already gotten you’re master chief and cortana ending back in halo 4.

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Master Chief’s story needs to end after barely 20 years?
L O fricking L

Tell that to the Doom Slayer, Link, Samus Aran and all the other popular Characters
which are still going strong even after 25-35 years.

Just because you got bored doesn’t mean the story has to end, not mentioning all those logical errors you made in your post.

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They will resolve the storyline in Infinite, it isn’t being avoided, as said in February’s Inside Infinite.

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> > 2533274883446729;1:
> > Well I’ve gotten older. I’ve always been a gamer. From pin ball to spending $200 in quarters so I could finish Terminator 2 at the arcade. To Nintendo and Xbox, I must have played them all :slight_smile: I mention this just to show I have some knowledge about games. Mario, StarCraft, Master or Orion, and of course Halo. A friends son turned me onto it in 2001 and I’ve been hooked ever since.
> >
> > So I’m wondering why Halo Infinite is not finishing the Master Chief/Cortana story. IMHO its time. And that to me is the problem 343 is facing. They don’t want to do it. On the one hand they have long time fans who don’t want to see him go and new fans who want new blood and new abilities.
> >
> > I want their story finished. Yes. Their story. Cause to me the preceding games have turned their story into a love story. There. I said it. I don’t think anyone would deny that.
> >
> > And lets face it. The Chief is getting on in years. He can’t remain a functioning/fighting Spartan forever. He has to go so as to make room for new. And that scares the crap out of 343 I think. I cant argue with the fans that want new equipment and new abilities. Time is marching on in the Halo universe so its inevitable that new heroes, armor, weapons, etc, are coming. Again, which is why this needs to happen.
> >
> > Cause to me it was the mettle of the Chief, not the armor or abilities. And with his AI “Companion” they both saved the day. And we saw their relationship grow into more.
> >
> > So that’s it 343. I realize a lot of work has gone into Infinite. But as some point in time your going to have to do this. The Chief and Cortana need to walk off into some memonic, fully infested, great journey sunset together. Or die trying to save each other. Your choice. Finish the fight. And a Great story! Cause that’s what it is.
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> ok i get what ur saying, but it seems you have very little knowledge in whats actually going on in halo right now story wise. or you just wrote it in a way that suggests that?
>
> Anyaw chief is old in our terms of life but in the future people live to like 120 or so, and chief also most probably has a geas / didact within him after the change that happened to him during halo 4. This alone will prolong his life as long as the writers deem needed. Either way his age is not an issue tbh.
>
> When it comes to halo infinite story, infinite is going to focus on Cortana and will carry on from events right after halo 5. If you have lison to the recent interview with Steve Downes he goes into some detail about this, and its wroth a watch. So yeh i think infinite will cover this side of things more than you may think.
> There are are also big story tie inns from the books recent books like “point of light” which can tie in to Halo 07 " Zeta" which is the halo we’re going to be on during Infinite. So yeh 343i are doing it, and thats where i feel like you don’t actually get whats going on?
> Lets not also forget the theory, that cortana did actually die in halo 4, and this cortana we’re seeing in h5 and going into infinite isn’t actually her anymore and could be some curruption or connection to “medicant bias” so it could all be a ruse, and you have already gotten you’re master chief and cortana ending back in halo 4.

Actually from the gameplay reveal trailer if that is still accurate Halo Infinite is set a few years after Halo 5. Halo Infinite is set in 2560 after the UNSC is defeated and the surviving UNSC forces are scattered, Halo 5 is in 2558.

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> Master Chief need a story end, one day, but for now, he need a story to catch up the Halo 5 fiasco

I was thinking that H5 might be a good transfer point before its release, and I was basically ready to support 343 with phasing in Locke as the new protagonist. But then that campaign was released and it was so evidently not an okay way to hand of the baton in a story that incompetently mashed together. I agree that infninite needs to play some catch up, but eventually the time has to come.

I dont think I want the chief to die, but I would be okay with having a different primary protagonist going forward.

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> 2533274883446729;1:
> Well I’ve gotten older. I’ve always been a gamer. From pin ball to spending $200 in quarters so I could finish Terminator 2 at the arcade. To Nintendo and Xbox, I must have played them all :slight_smile: I mention this just to show I have some knowledge about games. Mario, StarCraft, Master or Orion, and of course Halo. A friends son turned me onto it in 2001 and I’ve been hooked ever since.
>
> So I’m wondering why Halo Infinite is not finishing the Master Chief/Cortana story. IMHO its time. And that to me is the problem 343 is facing. They don’t want to do it. On the one hand they have long time fans who don’t want to see him go and new fans who want new blood and new abilities.
>
> I want their story finished. Yes. Their story. Cause to me the preceding games have turned their story into a love story. There. I said it. I don’t think anyone would deny that.
>
> And lets face it. The Chief is getting on in years. He can’t remain a functioning/fighting Spartan forever. He has to go so as to make room for new. And that scares the crap out of 343 I think. I cant argue with the fans that want new equipment and new abilities. Time is marching on in the Halo universe so its inevitable that new heroes, armor, weapons, etc, are coming. Again, which is why this needs to happen.
>
> Cause to me it was the mettle of the Chief, not the armor or abilities. And with his AI “Companion” they both saved the day. And we saw their relationship grow into more.
>
> So that’s it 343. I realize a lot of work has gone into Infinite. But as some point in time your going to have to do this. The Chief and Cortana need to walk off into some memonic, fully infested, great journey sunset together. Or die trying to save each other. Your choice. Finish the fight. And a Great story! Cause that’s what it is.

Cortana was supposed to be done in 2012, Chief character development into a more humanizing character also began in that time. Those came to an end because of 2 things. Massive fan backlash and immense backpedaling from 343i to amend that. So Cortana is back and Chief been reduced to a side character in his own game.

Chief is not romanticly in love with Chief. There is no if, or buts, he has never loved her that way.

It irks me that I see this excuse every time it comes to the Chief

He getting into his age.

I don’t know if it’s H4 with Del Rio blatantly false remark of an “aging Spartan” or people realizing how old Halo is but you could not be more wrong about this line of thinking.

The man is on the younger side of the SIIs in terms of physical age. Red and Grey team takes the cake with 2+ decades of cryosleep.

Johnson looked like he was in his mid-40s. right? He died in H3 at near the age of 75. Mendez the mentor/Father figure of the SIIs is currently 68 years old and can fight a lot better than most fresh recruits. In the Spartan manual guide, the SIVs are projected to be combat efficient until the age of 120. The spartan class with the least amount of genetic scrutiny and harsh training is expected to be physically capable of fighting just under two years of the oldest rl person in the world! If 343i ever get around to explaining what other gifts she unlocked in Chief’s geas he might live longer than 120 and still be fighting.

Monte Gould is 11 years older than Chief currently.

Chief is not retiring unless he wants to.

I hope 343i doesn’t do either of those things and damns the franchise into returning the status quo. It what caused the mess Halo 5 was in and why we have so little information of what going on in the 3 years of her reign leading to infinite. Chief would have to be a fool to willingly accept Cortana after lying to his face about the number of dead civilians, leading Blue Team, his family in circles for hours with the Warden threatening to kill him, and emping entire interstellar worlds into the stone age making the economic disaster of 2020 look like a joke.

No, she either dies permanently or gets captured and put in a virtual cell similar to Mendicant Bias, far, FAR, away from John. She has been coddled from the consequences of her actions for 3 years, and if she gets along well with Chief/UNSC/ONI 343i shows they lack the commitment to follow storylines through properly.

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Halo Infinite is a bit of a reset. With the new consoles and now PC players coming on-board - they needed to take a breath and present a story that all fans, new and old, can enjoy.

This doesn’t mean the older threads are to be abandoned. Definitely not. In fact, Infinite has the huge task of having to play out it’s own story AND setting up Cortana et al for the ongoing narrative.

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In some sense, Master Chief IS Halo. He is an iconic figure in gaming culture itself. He’s an example of one of those characters that simply carries a franchise and maintains pop culture relevance outside of time, I would say.

That said, could 343i end Master Chief’s story for good? Certainly. SHOULD they? That’s debatable. Many people would see the end of Master Chief / Cortana as the end of Halo itself, and that is probably how 343i could end the franchise if they chose to do so. BUT, if they decide to end Chief but maintain the franchise, this could prove difficult. Not to say that it is impossible but, given the general level of quality that art is at in current times, I’d be skeptical that they could pull something like that off unless they had a very clear and focused vision for what they wanted to do.

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> Tell that to the Doom Slayer, Link, Samus Aran and all the other popular Characters
> which are still going strong even after 25-35 years.

Doom Slayer - This franchise has effectively been rebooted 3 times, and is far from narrative focused
Link - Each game is effectively a new protag, he’s supposed to be reincarnations of eachother, far from a continous story
Samus - I think this is also a multiple continuity thing but i’m not terribly versed in this franchise.

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> > Tell that to the Doom Slayer, Link, Samus Aran and all the other popular Characters
> > which are still going strong even after 25-35 years.
>
> Doom Slayer - This franchise has effectively been rebooted 3 times, and is far from narrative focused
> Link - Each game is effectively a new protag, he’s supposed to be reincarnations of eachother, far from a continous story
> Samus - I think this is also a multiple continuity thing but i’m not terribly versed in this franchise.

It is not a multiple continuity thing for Samus, unless we’re discussing the comics. As it is thus far, it is all a single continuity, Metroid Fusion being the latest one chronologically, Metroid: Zero Mission being the first.

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> > …
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> Cortana was supposed to be done in 2012, Chief character development into a more humanizing character also began in that time. Those came to an end because of 2 things. Massive fan backlash and immense backpedaling from 343i to amend that. So Cortana is back and Chief been reduced to a side character in his own game.…

To be fair, the original trilogy was never about The Chief. If anything, H4 and H5 puts too much of the focus on Chief and Cortana, putting greater conflicts to the side (or more accurately for H5, forcing Cortana to be the greatest threat). For me, Halo 1-3 & Reach were great stories because the story focused on humanity vs covenant (a vast story that we were only a small part of), whereas Halo 4 and 5 were focused on Chief vs Didact/Cortana (a narrow story that we were the only part of).

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> To be fair, the original trilogy was never about The Chief. If anything, H4 and H5 puts too much of the focus on Chief and Cortana, putting greater conflicts to the side (or more accurately for H5, forcing Cortana to be the greatest threat). For me, Halo 1-3 & Reach were great stories because the story focused on humanity vs covenant (a vast story that we were only a small part of), whereas Halo 4 and 5 were focused on Chief vs Didact/Cortana (a narrow story that we were the only part of).

Yeah, its a tonal shift that I don’t feel like gets addressed by the community. To an extent I think this got voiced in the halo 4 backlash as ‘chief talks too much’, but this is more because him and cortana have to drive the story because it is a story about them for once.

Compare halo 3, where like halo 4, Cortana is in danger. And yet, the idea of even rescueing her is only brought up twice, once when she pretty much lands in spitting distance of chief (or so people thought), and later when chief is actually after the activation index itself. The game haunts you with images of cortana, occasionally, but thats it. Whereas the danger of cortana is a constant discussion topic and plot point in 4.

Heck even Halo 5, the game where there ‘wasn’t enough chief’ is chief and cortana focused. As you said, she’s the great villain now, but even the story of the secondary protagonist, Locke, is all focused on Chief, be it stopping or helping him. Contrast this to halo 2, where while Chief has influenced a number of events in the Arbiter’s life, most of them seem to have been going to happen anyway, and the Arbiter is out to fight for his people, not to go after chief.

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> They will resolve the storyline in Infinite, it isn’t being avoided, as said in February’s Inside Infinite.

What specifically did you mean? I didn’t get that impression from that update.

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> 2533274883446729;1:
> Well I’ve gotten older. I’ve always been a gamer. From pin ball to spending $200 in quarters so I could finish Terminator 2 at the arcade. To Nintendo and Xbox, I must have played them all :slight_smile: I mention this just to show I have some knowledge about games. Mario, StarCraft, Master or Orion, and of course Halo. A friends son turned me onto it in 2001 and I’ve been hooked ever since.
>
> So I’m wondering why Halo Infinite is not finishing the Master Chief/Cortana story. IMHO its time. And that to me is the problem 343 is facing. They don’t want to do it. On the one hand they have long time fans who don’t want to see him go and new fans who want new blood and new abilities.
>
> I want their story finished. Yes. Their story. Cause to me the preceding games have turned their story into a love story. There. I said it. I don’t think anyone would deny that.
>
> And lets face it. The Chief is getting on in years. He can’t remain a functioning/fighting Spartan forever. He has to go so as to make room for new. And that scares the crap out of 343 I think. I cant argue with the fans that want new equipment and new abilities. Time is marching on in the Halo universe so its inevitable that new heroes, armor, weapons, etc, are coming. Again, which is why this needs to happen.
>
> Cause to me it was the mettle of the Chief, not the armor or abilities. And with his AI “Companion” they both saved the day. And we saw their relationship grow into more.
>
> So that’s it 343. I realize a lot of work has gone into Infinite. But as some point in time your going to have to do this. The Chief and Cortana need to walk off into some memonic, fully infested, great journey sunset together. Or die trying to save each other. Your choice. Finish the fight. And a Great story! Cause that’s what it is.

I hugely agree with this. I think 343 is aware, and in Halo 5 they tried to introduce Locke as a potential new protaganist… they just did it in a dumb way. Setting him up as an opponent to the Chief just meant everyone would hate him. Personally I think Halo thrives with the character as an empty shell and to be honest Halo 4 and 5 have ruined Chief for me. To me he will never be the same stoic silent dude from 1-3, now I’ll remember him as a very talkative complainer… I think that at this point his character would be best served as an NPC. I would like to see a new character introduced somewhat like Noble 6, with an awesome backstory that ties back to previous games/books. This character would be customizable etc. and play the same role that Chief started in, the silent shell you enter. Then Chief can become more of this legendary soldier… imagine half way through some crazy intense halo game with a new protagonist and you get rescued by the Chief. Hope they go this way some day but really doubt they will. Maybe if Infinite is successful they’ll feel more confident?

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> > 2535431751471835;7:
> > They will resolve the storyline in Infinite, it isn’t being avoided, as said in February’s Inside Infinite.
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> What specifically did you mean? I didn’t get that impression from that update.

YeaI think I missed that as well

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> 2533274812002202;17:
> > 2535431751471835;7:
> > They will resolve the storyline in Infinite, it isn’t being avoided, as said in February’s Inside Infinite.
>
> What specifically did you mean? I didn’t get that impression from that update.

In the audio, they reference Cortana and the created