Start Rank D1 1205
Win +5 Rank D1 1210
Win +5 Rank D1 1215
Win +1 Rank D1 1216 (this was a 3v4 with advantage, low points make sense)
Win +1 Rank D1 1217 (this was a 3v4 with disadvantage, seriously only 1 point to win with only 3 people???)
Loss -15!!! D1 1202 ARE YOU FXXKING KIDDING ME?
Loss breakdown
48 - 50 Barely lost
Team stats
Me 12-13
Dude 1 18-16
Dude 2 11-9
Dude 3 8-13
How in the absolute BS does Halo give me a total of 12 points for 4 wins including a game where we had to play with only 3 fxxking players and take 15 for a loss where we barely lost and HT has the other team at advantage to win 62%.
Careful what you say, the fascist are always watching.
Any real Halo player knows that Halo is in shambles but they have a lot of booty poodles here in cyber world to try and say everything is ok.
Todays start rank 1202 Went 6-4 ended 1187. Won 2 more than lost and finished -15 CSR. 3 losses totaling -9 points were against Onyx teams with 3, 10, and 11% chances to win.
Win +0 Rank D1 1202 (not surprised since it was a 3v4 our advantage from start AGAIN!)
Loss -12 Rank P6 1190 13-19-5
Win +2 Rank P6 1192 16-9-5 and 1 flag cap
Win +0 Rank P6 1192 0 FXXKING POINTS!!! 10-8-8
This next one is absolute BS!
Loss -3 Rank P6 1189 (3v4 their advantage from start)
Our team P6(me), P5, G6. Their team O1557, O1558, O1579,P4. Our leaver was a G4. If our 4th stayed in the game we had a 3% chance of winning. What the actual FXXK!!!
Win +3 Rank P6 1192 50-31 Slayer victory 10-11-7
Loss -3 Rank P6 1189 You guessed it, ANOTHER FXXKING GAME MATCHED AGAINST ONYX! But hey, HT says we had an 11% chance to win this one so I guess that’s better than the last, right? FXXK 343!
Loss -3 Rank P6 1186 Bet you can guess the theme by now. Enemy team 3 Onyx 1 D2!!! 10% chance for us to win
Win +0 Rank P6 1186 ZERO FXXKING POINTS AGAIN. 3-5 KD but carried the ball for 133 of 200 points
Win +1 Rank P6 1187 I got absolutely demolished 11-21 with very little ball time.
TLDR: Ranked is garbage. Points make no sense. Balanced games are nonexistent!
I do agree they need to smooth out the CSR system (especially around quitter). And provide a better break down for players on what is happening.
But underlying that - don’t focus on the actual number (it shouldn’t have been put out there to “grind” in the first place). And don’t get hung up over any one game. It doesn’t matter how close the game was or (mostly) how you performed. And the CSR changes will often “lag” in catching up with your “MMR” depending on your W/L streak. It has to wait for a favourable result to bring them back together.
Your CSR number will oscillate around your rank ceiling.
I guess the real question is - are you a Diamond 1 (team rank, not individual). If so just relax and keep playing to get better. If not then give the system time (it takes closer to 50 games to accurate discern your place in the pecking order). You will rank up over time if you deserve to.
This is how ELO works in every ranked game. You will always lose more than you gain as ELO tries to equalize and find where you’re supposed to sit leading to 50% win scenarios.
I noticed this with my friend. I got 2 accounts to Onyx with him and he is still stuck d4. If you tend to get 1st on your team you usually always go up and sometimes a good amount and barely go down if at all for a loss.
There is no world where the MMR system should think my performance was worthy of playing against teams with 3 Onyx players. Especially not a second or third time after getting demolished by the first one.
I am 360 games into ranked (well over your 50 example). I have maintained a consistent average of 54-56% win rate. If this system can’t figure out that I do not belong in a full Onyx game, it is useless. The difference between D1 and Onyx is not a small difference. Getting put on a team with an Onyx squad is like playing a completely different game!
My top potential may be D1. I’m cool with that if it is the case. I don’t actually know if that is the case because the matchmaking is so broken that points seem to be completely random for wins and losses while team balance is nonexistent. 2 out of 10 games feel like you are playing against your skill range. The other 8 are either destroying the other team or getting destroyed by the other team.
There is no creative logic that can make a match of P6,P5,G6,G4 vs O1557, O1558, O1579,P4 a valid match.
To break it down more clearly
P6 (me) - 54.5% win rate with 64% win rate for last 25 games. Maybe, big maybe, I should be matched slightly above my CSR. Emphasis on slightly.
P5 - 44.4% win rate with last 25 win rate at 33%. No way the system says “yeah, they’re ready for Onyx…”
G6 - 33% win rate with only 27 total games - They are definitely ready to play against Onyx.
G4 - 41.3% win rate with last 25 at 32% with a total of 49 games. Got G4 and can only win 1/3 of their games at that rank, yeah, let’s place them in a game with 3 Onyx players.
I felt completely demoralized after that game. I cant imagine how the G6 that went 0-12 felt.
Please spare me the apologist talking points about the system needing time to place you or ranking up if you get better and deserve it. They don’t need to “smooth out” the CSR system. It needs to be completely overhauled.
It either thought the teams were even… or just needed you at the time (no other players available at the time).
What % of the 360 odd games you’ve played did you feel were unfair?
Plus they have been fiddling with the algorithm. I noticed a couple of unfair matches myself. But it seems to have settled. A blip on the highway?
Yep. Huge difference. I’m a D2 and played vs Onyx 1600 and 1800 yesterday. It was, how do you say, “character building”.
But again, with 360 games and a W/L approaching 50% I would say the system is doing pretty well for you.
Getting a couple of bad games hardly justifies calling the system the “worst I have ever played”.
Over-reaction?
After 360 games it is pretty much where you lie.
The team-balance may, at times, spread out. But the system takes the difference in teams into account. Generally you aren’t penalised for expected losses - or rewarded for expected wins.
It’s a positive trend. Match-making should start to give you tougher games (hopefully not Onyx obviously) and a couple of wins vs better teams could see you rank up!
Try to think of it more as a learning experience.
Even though I went 3 / 20 or one of my forays - I was trying to concentrate on positioning… strafe… aiming.
At it’s essence you sound like you are bitter with the match-making service but taking it out on the ranking system.
Two related, but separate systems.
I do think they could do better with the CSR (get rid of the number for a start).
You had a couple of mis-matched games. And it’s unfortunate you found the experience so demoralising. But what % out of your 360 odd games let you down? As I said, your W/L is above 50% so I imagine not many.
Even with these couple of rough games you are running 64% W/L over the last 25.
Your best bet is to just to ignore your CSR. Its a useless visual for the player and the matchmaking doesnt use it as it matches based on a hidden MMR.
Ahh, yes, Schrodinger’s hidden MMR–it’s generally close to your CSR, except when anyone complains about nonsensical CSR gains/losses in which case it’s way off (even for those with hundreds of games) and you’re just paying off or cashing in your CSR debt.
Its probably not as close as you think it is. MMR can swing wildly up or down every match which is why they have a visual rank in front of it because people would likely get confused with how drastic the MMR changes every match.
Yea it’s dumb. The system probably thought you were supposed to have 18+ kills that game since you went down 15 points. You literally aren’t allowed to have an off game. Or did it possibly “disconnect” - even though it just loaded correctly on your screen and count it as a quit for you. I won a game a month ago in ranked, something like 30-15-10 performance and when I loaded back to lobby at the very top right of the screen it said something really quick (like when someone joins your lobby - but it was red). I ranked down and lost 15 points.
That’s kind of the point of any ranked system…Consistency is key and if you’re not being consistent then the MMR is going to adjust itself to find the medium between the last good game and the current bad game.
I’m not “bitter” about either part. I am disappointed that both aspects of the system perform so poorly. To respond to a few of your points.
What % of the 360 odd games you’ve played did you feel were unfair?
I already answered this but 8 out of 10 games don’t feel fair and I mean that in both directions. Either we stomp them or they stomp us. Very few games feel like a balanced challenge.
But again, with 360 games and a W/L approaching 50% I would say the system is doing pretty well for you.
Getting a couple of bad games hardly justifies calling the system the “worst I have ever played”.
Over-reaction?
This was not a couple of bad games. You are seeing only what I have started recording in the last two days because I was finally frustrated enough to make a post and detail the experience. This has been the experience consistently for months.
You’re thoughts on the system doing well because I am approaching 50% is missing the fundamental point. I am not approaching 50% because I have now settled into a rank with people at the same skill level. I am at avg 55% because the majority the games are played against extremely higher skill teams or extremely lower skill teams with 2-3 out of 10 games being around my skill level. 50% free wins and 50% guaranteed losses is not a good system just because I am winning roughly 50%.
The team-balance may, at times, spread out. But the system takes the difference in teams into account. Generally you aren’t penalised for expected losses - or rewarded for expected wins.
This again speaks to the fundamental problem because points do not follow this line of thinking no matter how many times you say they should. I lost 3 points per loss against all 3 teams where we were severely outranked totaling -9.
You had a couple of mis-matched games. And it’s unfortunate you found the experience so demoralising. But what % out of your 360 odd games let you down? As I said, your W/L is above 50% so I imagine not many.
I didn’t make this post to complain or because I live in some delusion where I am an Onyx player being screwed by the system. If they fix the system and my rank goes down, I will be happy. I am bringing attention to the broken system. Matchmaking fails almost completely at creating well-matched games. The point system, whether broken itself or a result of the garbage matchmaking system, assigns or removes points seemingly at random. To your point, it may be more about the trash matchmaking system than the points but if the MMR thought the teams were balanced for some crazy reason, doesn’t that same reasoning say that points should distribute in the same way?
I don’t think match-making is out to get you.
Matchmaking isn’t out to get me. I am about where I personally should be. This isn’t about having a better rank, it is about having a better experience playing the game. I don’t want to be matched against people that I have no chance to compete against and I EQUALLY do not want to be matched against people I am going to destroy. It is just a trash system that needs to be fixed.
To me, this is like taking high school basketball players and giving them 4 games against children, 4 games against pro basketball players, and 2 games against other high school teams. Not fun for either team involved in 80% of the games.
But as you start to perform more consistently your MMR curve narrows and stops swinging. It becomes harder to shift up / down. It tends to lock in. But not as badly as it used to in Halo 3.
Then it’s your CSR that tends to drift away from your MMR. Usually with a string of wins vs lower ranked teams. But it’s only usually 10-15 points or so and it falls back into place with your next loss.
It’s really too bad. Even though 1-50 has it’s problems, it’s infinitely more fun than anything 343 has created. Every person new to the series will never know the fun of the 1-50 ranking system.