Halo Has Become Denatured

Definition : Take away or alter the natural qualities of.

It started with Reach , The new additions that strayed from the original Triangle Formula of Melee , Grenades and Guns . It’s not all 343i’s fault , some of it is Bungie’s too . They put less care into Halo Reach so they could rush it out and end their contract with Microsoft We all know it.

The new additions of Halo Reach like AA’s over equipment and The lack of a CSR and Bloom were a disaster , Many people hated Reach , a awful lot in fact The Triangle was broken. The new additions we’re not welcomed by the Halo community. No one asked for the gun to bloom or aa’s . Halo worked well with neither of these two. However take away a couple thing’s and it still felt similar to Halo CE - 3. Halo could still be played the way it should be in custom game’s options too. It’s worth noting not all Halo Reach was bad, forge world was great and the new game mode’s were fun however the gameplay sucked and was nothing like what we wanted or expected after Halo 3 .

Alot of people still played the game though , of course they were gonna it’s Halo . The game I assuming everyone on here fell in love with and people that dont come here too . But that was overlooked after a year. When 343i’s were announced to take over Halo many of us were sceptical. Would they ruin Halo , even more then Reach ? Would they rush the game for money?

Many of us were relieved however with the promise of Halo being taken back to it’s roots as they promised. With no beta we had too and with the TU done to Reach it was a step in the right direction and many of us Loved Reach’s super slayer. Halo CE Anniversary was also a good start. That game we all loved from the early 2000’s the game that started Halo bought back in glory with HD .

It all seemed to be going well we were over the worst of Halo , it’s dark patch with Halo Reach . But when Halo 4 was released what did we and so many of the other Halo fan’s that dislike this game see ?

We saw an even more denatured Halo , it straying from what it originally was and how it was naturally played. 343i’s lied to us. Some thing’s were a improvement over Halo Reach granted But many thing’s that sucked about Reach were brought back aswell as some new thing’s Many of us didn’t want. We never asked for loadout’s. Halo was alway’s arena and should stay like that. Many of us play CoD if we want Loadout based shooter’s of Battlefield if we want Class Based.

Ordnance’s were never asked for. Map Control was a huge part in deciding who won Before. The Team that acted quicker got the better weapon . It was a fair system that worked. Now people can camp and drop the power weapons. We never asked for this . Halo worked well before , Map Control and Balance worked to a T. Halo 4 took Halo away from it’s root’s more then Reach . A fun aspect of Halo was always its vehicles. Now they are a death-trap, The ability to spawn with Plasma Pistol’s and Grenades has ruined them . So many things are wrong with Halo 4 .

Thats why me and so many Halo fans are asking please return Halo back to its self. Dont change the game to try and steal other games fans. Keep the core Halo . Bring back the near perfect Triangle system. Scrap AA’s bring Equipment back . Put power weapons on the map and dont make them a score streak .

Before anyone says adapt or Arena is dead dont even bother. Arena is dead because no one makes a console arena shooter anymore thats what made Halo stand out, I dont need to adapt either . Halo needs to go back to what it should be again . You dont see CoD changing to a arena shooter do you and then expecting there fans to adapt. Each Halo game before Reach brung so many great additions. Halo 4 has tryed to be a generic shooter and annoyed so many fans .

I’m not a blind fanboy either Halo 2 and 3 both had problems before they were updated . But for many of us the game was so good it was worth coming back too . Even if it was horrible broken .

Also we dont want a exact carbon copy of Halo 3, many of us just want a Halo that feels like Halo and not a totally different game.

not only did they stray away from real halo… has anyone else noticed that halo reach was a prequel… and halo 4 was supposed to be the sequel to halo 3 but it turned out to be exactly like reach which happened way before halo 3…

… but im thinking 343 just doesnt care

> not only did they stray away from real halo… has anyone else noticed that halo reach was a pre-quel… and halo 4 was supposed to be the sequel to halo 3 but it turned out to be exactly like reach which happened way before halo 3…
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> … but im thinking 343 just doesnt care

Exactly Halo Reach was a prequel and not part of the main series. This game is more like Halo Reach then 3 when in the series wise its the furthest from it. It makes absolutely no sense

lol, sorry I had to look up and see if denatured was actually a word… I see what your saying now though. Straying from its path as one might say.

> lol, sorry I had to look up and see if denatured was actually a word… I see what your saying now though. Straying from its path as one might say.

I though 343i’s would learn after Reach most people wanted Halo 4 to be more Like Halo 3 then Reach . We didn’t need a massive overhaul like this and people say it would have got boring no it wouldnt have . CoD only changed a little bit every now and then and CoDs fans havent got bored

Arena shooters are a dying style of gaming, you say it’s because nobody is making them anymore, but have you thought to yourself why nobody is making them? Businesses conduct market research before making a product, and while they make a product to ensure that the product they make is what the market wants. It’s rule number one of running a business, you break it and you will lose money. 343i, Bungie and Microsoft all will have done plenty of market research that support the fact that arena shooters are no longer popular.

> > lol, sorry I had to look up and see if denatured was actually a word… I see what your saying now though. Straying from its path as one might say.
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> I though 343i’s would learn after Reach most people wanted Halo 4 to be more Like Halo 3 then Reach . We didn’t need a massive overhaul like this and people say it would have got boring no it wouldnt have . CoD only changed a little bit every now and then and CoDs fans havent got bored

exactly you would think they would learn from bungies mistake… bungie tried to experiment, it didnt work. then the franchise was given to 343 and able to have a fresh start but what did they do? they experimented waaay more than bungie ever did and added waaay more things than bungie ever would have… they destroyed halo with a single game

im thinking destiny is going to be a good game, i just like the way bungie does things… 343 worked with microsoft and made a lot of money… but bungie said f**k off microsoft, cause they want to make a good game that has a lot of replay value like they did with h2 and h3… they build games that are good for gamers, cause that what they are, gamers…

> Arena shooters are a dying style of gaming, you say it’s because nobody is making them anymore, but have you thought to yourself why nobody is making them? Businesses conduct market research before making a product, and while they make a product to ensure that the product they make is what the market wants. It’s rule number one of running a business, you break it and you will lose money. 343i, Bungie and Microsoft all will have done plenty of market research that support the fact that arena shooters are no longer popular.

No its because there to scared to take a risk and stand out, They would rather blend in with the crowd for some reassurance.

I’m not sure what you are talking about OP, the only game I play traditionally and routinely is Halo Reach. I hit max rank on Halo 4 and now I only play Halo 4 when my wife wants to do spartan ops. Otherwise, most of my time is spent in Reach, because Halo 4 doesn’t feel Spartan. It feels “everything else but.” You have a bunch of unicorns running around out there with these peacock looking helmets, you have Ninja’s all over the place and Killzone Helgast looking gas mask helmets…sorry, not my thing. The last Halo feeling title was Reach because it was Raw and Organic, not full of a bunch of over-the-top stuff. Spartans still looked like Spartans in Reach…also, in the campaign, you can use your character and are not confined to Master Chief, which, I found refreshing and new because Noble Six is faceless by nature and could be anyone.

> I’m not sure what you are talking about OP, the only game I play traditionally and routinely is Halo Reach. I hit max rank on Halo 4 and now I only play Halo 4 when my wife wants to do spartan ops. Otherwise, most of my time is spent in Reach, because Halo 4 doesn’t feel Spartan. It feels “everything else but.” You have a bunch of unicorns running around out there with these peacock looking helmets, you have Ninja’s all over the place and Killzone Helgast looking gas mask helmets…sorry, not my thing. The last Halo feeling title was Reach because it was Raw and Organic, not full of a bunch of over-the-top stuff. Spartans still looked like Spartans in Reach.

No disrespect at all here but its because you never played Halo 2 or 3 online. You missed out on when Halo was amazing and most people loved it.

> > I’m not sure what you are talking about OP, the only game I play traditionally and routinely is Halo Reach. I hit max rank on Halo 4 and now I only play Halo 4 when my wife wants to do spartan ops. Otherwise, most of my time is spent in Reach, because Halo 4 doesn’t feel Spartan. It feels “everything else but.” You have a bunch of unicorns running around out there with these peacock looking helmets, you have Ninja’s all over the place and Killzone Helgast looking gas mask helmets…sorry, not my thing. The last Halo feeling title was Reach because it was Raw and Organic, not full of a bunch of over-the-top stuff. Spartans still looked like Spartans in Reach.
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> No disrespect at all here but its because you never played Halo 2 or 3 online. You missed out on when Halo was amazing and most people loved it.

Interesting…considering, I’ve been playing Halo faithfully since Halo 1 back in 2000 and was even part of the community that played Halo 1 online, using Xbox Connect (custom software). I know and love the classic Halo games and will forever swear by Halo 1 being the best in terms of map size and free roaming, but Halo Reach brought some features to it that I can’t live without now. I go back and play Halo 1 with my wife and we’re all frustrated that we can’t power sprint like the Spartan’s have always done in the books etc. You can do that in Reach and 4…and the AA add a whole new dimension to playing.

> > > lol, sorry I had to look up and see if denatured was actually a word… I see what your saying now though. Straying from its path as one might say.
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> > I though 343i’s would learn after Reach most people wanted Halo 4 to be more Like Halo 3 then Reach . We didn’t need a massive overhaul like this and people say it would have got boring no it wouldnt have . CoD only changed a little bit every now and then and CoDs fans havent got bored
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> exactly you would think they would learn from bungies mistake… bungie tried to experiment, it didnt work. then the franchise was given to 343 and able to have a fresh start but what did they do? they experimented waaay more than bungie ever did and added waaay more things than bungie ever would have… they destroyed halo with a single game
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> im thinking destiny is going to be a good game, i just like the way bungie does things… 343 worked with microsoft and made a lot of money… but bungie said f**k off microsoft, cause they want to make a good game that has a lot of replay value like they did with h2 and h3… they build games that are good for gamers, cause that what they are, gamers…

Agreed Reach basically was a experiment and it failed for the most part. Me to Im definetly getting Destiny and I’m gonna rent Halo 5 before I buy it .

> > Arena shooters are a dying style of gaming, you say it’s because nobody is making them anymore, but have you thought to yourself why nobody is making them? Businesses conduct market research before making a product, and while they make a product to ensure that the product they make is what the market wants. It’s rule number one of running a business, you break it and you will lose money. 343i, Bungie and Microsoft all will have done plenty of market research that support the fact that arena shooters are no longer popular.
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> No its because there to scared to take a risk and stand out, They would rather blend in with the crowd for some reassurance.

Taking risks is something every business does, but every business also ensures they only take calculated risks, what they can be sure will work in their favour. Making an arena shooter would not work, the game would have died. Microsoft knew this and when 343i showed them a prototype of Halo 4 they told them it was too much like Halo 1-3. They told them to add things, experiment. So they did. Sure they made some mistakes, but Halo needs to evolve, not stick to arena or it’ll die. In the long run they are taking the safer option. Stay the same and die, or experiment and possibly survive.

> No disrespect at all here but its because you never played Halo 2 or 3 online. You missed out on when Halo was amazing and most people loved it.

If this is the whole basis of your argument then please leave and come back when you have made an argument that does not base itself off of emotion and tradition.

Argumentum ad passiones is a logical fallacy. Argumentum ad antiquitatem is a logical fallacy.

> > lol, sorry I had to look up and see if denatured was actually a word… I see what your saying now though. Straying from its path as one might say.
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> I though 343i’s would learn after Reach most people wanted Halo 4 to be more Like Halo 3 then Reach . We didn’t need a massive overhaul like this and people say it would have got boring no it wouldnt have . CoD only changed a little bit every now and then and CoDs fans havent got bored

I don’t mind some of the loadouts, maybe JP, HL, some others… But AC was always a power up… nvr thought I would mind ordinances til I played a game of CTF infinty… small changes can make a big diff. Really can’t do much about it now cept deal with it. I myself despise COD playstyle.

> > > Arena shooters are a dying style of gaming, you say it’s because nobody is making them anymore, but have you thought to yourself why nobody is making them? Businesses conduct market research before making a product, and while they make a product to ensure that the product they make is what the market wants. It’s rule number one of running a business, you break it and you will lose money. 343i, Bungie and Microsoft all will have done plenty of market research that support the fact that arena shooters are no longer popular.
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> > No its because there to scared to take a risk and stand out, They would rather blend in with the crowd for some reassurance.
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> Taking risks is something every business does, but every business also ensures they only take calculated risks, what they can be sure will work in their favour. Making an arena shooter would not work, the game would have died. Microsoft knew this and when 343i showed them a prototype of Halo 4 they told them it was too much like Halo 1-3. They told them to add things, experiment. So they did. Sure they made some mistakes, but Halo needs to evolve, not stick to arena or it’ll die. In the long run they are taking the safer option. Stay the same and die, or experiment and possibly survive.

I have to disagree sorry the population for Halo 4 is appalling , I’m not just on about Peak either pop in your disc at any time and it will be disappointing. I only believe loadout based is popular because of CoD and as much as I hate CoD it does well with the loadout system . Bungie took a massive risk , a fps on a console was a big risk But big risks also can pay off. I really dont believe this game would have died if it stuck to arena . I think it would have done better. When Bungie Made Halo arena it was a market leader now Halo is a market follower.

> > No disrespect at all here but its because you never played Halo 2 or 3 online. You missed out on when Halo was amazing and most people loved it.
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> If this is the whole basis of your argument then please leave and come back when you have made an argument that does not base itself off of emotion and tradition.
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> Argumentum ad passiones is a logical fallacy. Argumentum ad antiquitatem is a logical fallacy.

It’s not based off opinion , a lot more people played Halo 2 and 3 then Reach , Alot More. Halo was a leader back then . When Halo Reach was released it was a experiment many people hated and was rushed to end bungies contract

> > > > Arena shooters are a dying style of gaming, you say it’s because nobody is making them anymore, but have you thought to yourself why nobody is making them? Businesses conduct market research before making a product, and while they make a product to ensure that the product they make is what the market wants. It’s rule number one of running a business, you break it and you will lose money. 343i, Bungie and Microsoft all will have done plenty of market research that support the fact that arena shooters are no longer popular.
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> > > No its because there to scared to take a risk and stand out, They would rather blend in with the crowd for some reassurance.
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> > Taking risks is something every business does, but every business also ensures they only take calculated risks, what they can be sure will work in their favour. Making an arena shooter would not work, the game would have died. Microsoft knew this and when 343i showed them a prototype of Halo 4 they told them it was too much like Halo 1-3. They told them to add things, experiment. So they did. Sure they made some mistakes, but Halo needs to evolve, not stick to arena or it’ll die. In the long run they are taking the safer option. Stay the same and die, or experiment and possibly survive.
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> I have to disagree sorry the population for Halo 4 is appalling , I’m not just on about Peak either pop in your disc at any time and it will be disappointing. I only believe loadout based is popular because of CoD and as much as I hate CoD it does well with the loadout system . Bungie took a massive risk , a fps on a console was a big risk But big risks also can pay off. I really dont believe this game would have died if it stuck to arena . I think it would have done better. When Bungie Made Halo arena it was a market leader now Halo is a market follower.

Population is fickle. CoD started pulling new players ever since CoD4 and introduced casual, pick up and play gameplay to the masses. As such, it introduced gaming to lots of new gamers to gaming. Now most gamers are loyal to a game and just pick up a new game, play it a few times and move onto either a new game or back to their favourite game. Most gamers are loyal to CoD, this has been a fact since the later days of Halo 3 and arena shooters won’t draw them back. 343i’s strategy of trying to pull CoD gamers to be loyal to Halo was flawed but understandable. When halo 1 was released arena shooters were the most popular shooters out there, sure bringing it to console was risky but it was a huge risk that was pushed by Microsoft. Big risks can pay off big time, but can also cost you big time, which is why you don’t see them often.

> Arena shooters are a dying style of gaming, you say it’s because nobody is making them anymore, but have you thought to yourself why nobody is making them? Businesses conduct market research before making a product, and while they make a product to ensure that the product they make is what the market wants. It’s rule number one of running a business, you break it and you will lose money. 343i, Bungie and Microsoft all will have done plenty of market research that support the fact that arena shooters are no longer popular.

Not a bad point, but Halo 4 is a complete failure so they would have been wrong

> > > > > Arena shooters are a dying style of gaming, you say it’s because nobody is making them anymore, but have you thought to yourself why nobody is making them? Businesses conduct market research before making a product, and while they make a product to ensure that the product they make is what the market wants. It’s rule number one of running a business, you break it and you will lose money. 343i, Bungie and Microsoft all will have done plenty of market research that support the fact that arena shooters are no longer popular.
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> > > > No its because there to scared to take a risk and stand out, They would rather blend in with the crowd for some reassurance.
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> > > Taking risks is something every business does, but every business also ensures they only take calculated risks, what they can be sure will work in their favour. Making an arena shooter would not work, the game would have died. Microsoft knew this and when 343i showed them a prototype of Halo 4 they told them it was too much like Halo 1-3. They told them to add things, experiment. So they did. Sure they made some mistakes, but Halo needs to evolve, not stick to arena or it’ll die. In the long run they are taking the safer option. Stay the same and die, or experiment and possibly survive.
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> > I have to disagree sorry the population for Halo 4 is appalling , I’m not just on about Peak either pop in your disc at any time and it will be disappointing. I only believe loadout based is popular because of CoD and as much as I hate CoD it does well with the loadout system . Bungie took a massive risk , a fps on a console was a big risk But big risks also can pay off. I really dont believe this game would have died if it stuck to arena . I think it would have done better. When Bungie Made Halo arena it was a market leader now Halo is a market follower.
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> Population is fickle. CoD started pulling new players ever since CoD4 and introduced casual, pick up and play gameplay to the masses. As such, it introduced gaming to lots of new gamers to gaming. Now most gamers are loyal to a game and just pick up a new game, play it a few times and move onto either a new game or back to their favourite game. Most gamers are loyal to CoD, this has been a fact since the later days of Halo 3 and arena shooters won’t draw them back. 343i’s strategy of trying to pull CoD gamers to be loyal to Halo was flawed but understandable. When halo 1 was released arena shooters were the most popular shooters out there, sure bringing it to console was risky but it was a huge risk that was pushed by Microsoft. Big risks can pay off big time, but can also cost you big time, which is why you don’t see them often.

When MW2 was out Halo 3 was still a solid 2 on the xbox live chart. Halo 4 is now 4th on the chart despite it being more like cod then any other. Also we dont know if arena would draw anyone back as Halo 4 isn’t arena. Not all CoD fans are ex Halo fans you know. Not everyone moved onto CoD.