Halo: Cryptum vs. Halo 4 Prometheans

Anyone who has read Greg Bear’s Halo: Cryptum will know that the Prometheans are the warrior caste of the Forerunner society. They are the actual Forerunner warrior case of their society.

Halo 4, however, has the Prometheans being some form of “defense A.I.” as Cortana put it in the E3 campaign demo. These are two very drastically different things.

Considering that 343 worked very closely with Bear on the Forerunner Trilogy, they should get their own lore right. I hope that this is just a (major) oversight and that it would be fixed come launch.

Furthermore, the latest Bulletin paints the Prometheans in Halo 4 as a sort of Forerunner equivalent to the Covenant, a group of various species.

Now, if the new enemies in Halo 4 were Forerunner automatons similar to Sentinels and the like, designed, built, and used by the Prometheans. Instead, it seems like 343 is already retconning their own canon already.

Anyone else feel the same way?

The AIs are not prometheans specifically, but they have some relation to them. Perhaps they were made and used by the prometheans during the forerunner-flood war since they aren’t suspect to flood infection.

The bigger question 343 has to answer is why the didact hates humanity, assuming the enemy is didact. It’s completely inconsistent with everything we’ve learned about him thus far.

That’s not how 343 is making them out to be, though. Every time the new enemies in Halo 4 are brought up, it sounds like the Prometheans have been retconned from the Forerunner warrior caste, to automatons.

> While these Prometheans are significantly different from the legendary Forerunner Warrior-Servants of ages past

343 understands and is indeed differentiating between the highest class of Warrior-Servant known as Prometheans, and the new enemy class of Prometheans.

> That’s not how 343 is making them out to be, though. Every time the new enemies in Halo 4 are brought up, it sounds like the Prometheans have been retconned from the Forerunner warrior caste, to automatons.

Greg Bear’s Prometheans existed over 100,000 years ago when the Forerunner civilization still existed. This is post Halo activation and the Forerunner are practically extinct. There is nothing wrong with the new Prometheans being machines considering there can’t be a whole lot of real Forerunner alive to fulfill the role.

Pulled from Halo 4 reply:
3 major forunner objects destroyed by Humans 2 rings, lesser ark, which in turn enrages him “Didact w/split personality”. He has long dreamt of testing humanity, but with the librarian gone his rage goes unchecked

> That’s not how 343 is making them out to be, though. Every time the new enemies in Halo 4 are brought up, it sounds like the Prometheans have been retconned from the Forerunner warrior caste, to automatons.

From the Halo 4 page of this site:

> Residents of the artificial world of Requiem, Promethean Knights represent the central occupying enemy force, legions of extremely capable combatants with both ancient and mysterious origins. While these Prometheans are significantly different from the legendary Forerunner Warrior-Servants of ages past, these Knights are no less harrowing.

> Pulled from Halo 4 reply:
> 3 major forunner objects destroyed by Humans 2 rings, lesser ark, which in turn enrages him “Didact w/split personality”. He has long dreamt of testing humanity, but with the librarian gone his rage goes unchecked

And who was that reply from??

The Didact didn’t agree with the rings construction. He used them as a last resort, and the Halo3 terminals show he was conflicted when doing it even then. Why would he be upset that the 2 rings would be destroyed? And I am pretty sure it’s 3 rings. I04, then I05, then I04b, then the Ark. I could see the Didact being mad the Ark was destroyed, and of course he has a history of acting before getting the whole story (Human/Forerunner war) but considering the Ark was full on infested with the Flood, the Humans managed to destroy the infestation without destroying all life.

Also when did the Didact want to test humanity? The Primordial said humans were to be tested next. Why would the Didact test humans? The Halo3 terminals made him seem extremely remorseful for firing the Halos. He did not uphold the Mantle how he thought he should, he says that explicitly. What makes anyone think the Didact is arrogant enough to think he has a right to test humanity??

I’m pretty sure that we don’t have the whole story yet. I’m going to give 343 the benefit of the doubt and say they know what thery’re doing.

> What makes anyone think the Didact is arrogant enough to think he has a right to test humanity??

He’s a Forerunner. Believing you have the right to do whatever you want because the “Mantle” says you can is the Forerunner way.

> And who was that reply from?? Me over here
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> Why would he be upset that the 2 rings would be destroyed? Because it was defensive weapon against the Inferi redivivus, maybe a Failsafe switch in programing?
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> And I am pretty sure it’s 3 rings. I04, then I05, then I04b, then the Ark. Thank you for correction wasn’t counting 4b from lesser ark.
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> I could see the Didact being mad the Ark was destroyed, and of course he has a history of acting before getting the whole story (Human/Forerunner war) but considering the Ark was full on infested with the Flood, the Humans managed to destroy the infestation without destroying all life. But the threat remains there for it.
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> Also when did the Didact want to test humanity? The Primordial said humans were to be tested next. Why would the Didact test humans? The Halo3 terminals made him seem extremely remorseful for firing the Halos. He did not uphold the Mantle how he thought he should, he says that explicitly. What makes anyone think the Didact is arrogant enough to think he has a right to test humanity??
> I can’t answer all this when it come to the books all I know is what I have read discussed about them “very little”, I never have read any of the halo books yet, just in game stuff.

> > What makes anyone think the Didact is arrogant enough to think he has a right to test humanity??
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> He’s a Forerunner. Believing you have the right to do whatever you want because the “Mantle” says you can is the Forerunner way.

The Didact essentially betrayed the Mantle when he fired the Halos. Being a noble warrior he would have put himself into exile again. The Mantle says they are to protect life, which I agree they changed to fit what they wanted, but it doesn’t say they can randomly attack species just because.

> > And who was that reply from?? Me over here

I thought it was a 343i employee that wrote that response. Thats why I asked.

> Why would he be upset that the 2 rings would be destroyed? Because it was defensive weapon against the Inferi redivivus, maybe a Failsafe switch in programing?

The rings were an Offensive weapon. A last resort to destroy the flood, their infected hosts, and any other potential hosts. It was in no way a defensive weapon.

> And I am pretty sure it’s 3 rings. I04, then I05, then I04b, then the Ark. Thank you for correction wasn’t counting 4b from lesser ark.

No problem, I was just clearing it up

> I could see the Didact being mad the Ark was destroyed, and of course he has a history of acting before getting the whole story (Human/Forerunner war) but considering the Ark was full on infested with the Flood, the Humans managed to destroy the infestation without destroying all life. But the threat remains there for it.

The threat is potentially there for it, however there was a full on infestation, complete with a Gravemind. I think the Didact would be more inclined to give chief the old “good job guy, you have succeeded where I have failed, you have stopped the Flood without killing everyone in the Galaxy”

> Also when did the Didact want to test humanity? The Primordial said humans were to be tested next. Why would the Didact test humans? The Halo3 terminals made him seem extremely remorseful for firing the Halos. He did not uphold the Mantle how he thought he should, he says that explicitly. What makes anyone think the Didact is arrogant enough to think he has a right to test humanity??
> I can’t answer all this when it come to the books all I know is what I have read discussed about them “very little”, I never have read any of the halo books yet, just in game stuff.

As far as stuff like this goes,Id say read the Forerunner trilogy, it gives some good info on the Didact and the threat he faced 100,000 years ago. The games give very little info on the Didact and it’s hard to come to certain conclusions based on those games. Even still, the games never mentioned the Didact wanting to test humans.

> Why would he be upset that the 2 rings would be destroyed? Because it was defensive weapon against the Inferi redivivus, maybe a Failsafe switch in programing?

> The rings were an Offensive weapon. A last resort to destroy the flood, their infected hosts, and any other potential hosts. It was in no way a defensive weapon.I would assume the firing was <mark>last line of defense</mark> against the Inferi redivivus?

> I could see the Didact being mad the Ark was destroyed, and of course he has a history of acting before getting the whole story (Human/Forerunner war) but considering the Ark was full on infested with the Flood, the Humans managed to destroy the infestation without destroying all life. But the threat remains there for it.

> The threat is potentially there for it, however there was a full on infestation, complete with a Gravemind. I think the Didact would be more inclined to give chief the old “good job guy, you have succeeded where I have failed, you have stopped the Flood without killing everyone in the Galaxy” I would agree if it wasn’t for the fact of merging Didact persona’s. Thats why I would say the Didact has split personality or gone rampent.

As far as stuff like this goes,Id say read the Forerunner trilogy, it gives some good info on the Didact and the threat he faced 100,000 years ago. The games give very little info on the Didact and it’s hard to come to certain conclusions based on those games. Even still, the games never mentioned the Didact wanting to test humans.
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If I had the time and the books I would read them forsure.

> The Didact essentially betrayed the Mantle when he fired the Halos. Being a noble warrior he would have put himself into exile again. The Mantle says they are to protect life, which I agree they changed to fit what they wanted, but it doesn’t say they can randomly attack species just because.

You are right about thatr, but it seems the only part of the Mantle the Forerunner truly followed was the part that gave them the right to decide things for everyone else.

This thread is about the Halo: Cryptum Prometheans vs. Halo 4 Prometheans, not The Didact. Stay on topic.

It just doesn’t make sense. I mean, they still refer to the Crawlers and Watchers as Prometheans. The Knight-class makes a little bit of sense but still.

Hold your horses, OP.

We still have another book to go before the Forerunner books sync up with Halo 4 in addition to 5 months in-between now and Halo 4 in our hands.

> Hold your horses, OP.
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> We still have another book to go before the Forerunner books sync up with Halo 4 in addition to 5 months in-between now and Halo 4 in our hands.

I interpret it as they were named after the Forerunner Warrior Servants, or even created by the Prometheans themselves.

> I interpret it as they were named after the Forerunner Warrior Servants, or even created by the Prometheans themselves.

Pretty much,though it doesn’t sit right with me that they have skulls i find that going too far when creating something thats just a machine.

And machines can be infected by the flood people.

in the trailer cortana says

A) they are a forerunner defense AI]

B) they are definitely not organic\

What this makes me believe is that the ACTUAL Prometheans won’t be introduced in the game till a much later date, possibly not even in halo 4.

Because lets face it, 1 real Promethean would kick the crap out of MC.

I say that due to the quote back in CE from 343GS, something like “you are only wearing a level 2 combat skin, level 13 should be the minimum”

Also, in the CEA terminals you can see Forerunner lifeworkers, and I doubt that the Librarian would want to marry an orange glowin robot :smiley: