Halo Community, I'm a little confused

A majority of the Halo community knows and understands that Halo 4 fails in comparison to the quality of past Halo games (minus Halo Reach). IF you disagree then I am going to be completely honest with you right now because it needs to be said.

If you believe that Halo 4 is one of the better Halo games ever made then you are either A) New to the Halo series and thus could not enjoy the previous games due to being a gamer in an era where FPS games are very much a disgrace to what the once were. B) Play the game on a casual basis as in if you’re bored or just feel like playing Halo, yet not strongly dedicated to Halo in any way shape or form. or C) You have been around past Halo’s but to be honest you werent the best at those games nor did you ever understand what made games such as Halo CE and Halo 2 so good (example: The higher amount of skill required to be good at those games and the more even playing field without slow kill times, slow movement speed, and rediculous random elements such as AAs that ruined what Halo was)

Now on to the part where I’m confused.

Why do people keep having this attitude saying “It’s only been 2 months” or “Just give it time”

The Halo community has waited for YEARS for Halo to come back to what it once was, we have voiced our complaints and our wishes for YEARS and they’ve fallen on deaf ears time and time again. Sure Bungie was before, but now it’s 343i and in my honest opinion they are doing much worse. They promised Halo was going back to its roots with Halo 4, they lied. Now they continue to make changes that nobody seems to want. Since when did people want Team Snipers removed? People asked for a regular FFA and we got Throwback FFA? If the least played gametype gets removed every week then why is Crimson DLC still there?

Then we have the Title Update coming up. Why cant you just tell everyone exactly what you guys did wrong and tell us how and what you’re fixing? This whole keeping to the background and not communicating with the community is really hurting you guys.

As for people who think Halo 4 isnt dying, being 100k or lower for a population is dying for a big AAA title. Get that through your head. Sure its number 2 on the list of most played games, but thats only because its only other competition is Call of Duty, which is blowing it out of the water right now in terms of population, even MW3 is pretty damn close to it as well as older CoD games.

Open you’re eyes people. We deserve answers, we deserve a voice to be spoken to us.

Enough making excuses to defend 343i or to defend Halo 4 and actually try and get answers for our game.

you know what would be really nice right about now? a legitimate halo game.

everything the OP said was true, enjoy the read!

I’m guessing this is all in regards to Multiplayer.

Truth is, many people will probably disregard this post or you’ll receive some flak for it. I’ve been a console gamer from the start, Halo being my game of preference since it appeared on the market. I love Halo, but it finally got to the point where I just don’t enjoy it anymore. There are tons of reasons many of our community members are saying is the cause (lack of this, op that) but the bottom line is that being an avid Halo player, I just have no incentive to play it anymore. I’m actually ordering some parts for my PC to try out computer gaming.

To those of you that thoroughly enjoy Halo 4, more power to you, I’m truly glad that you’ve found a game that brings an enjoyable gaming experience… I just wish I could say the same.

I believe Reach is better then Halo 4.

This thread will get buuried or moved to MM discussion.

OT: I agree, we have been waiting for a while, and I dont think there will be a time again for halo to thrive, time to move on=/

@stryfe
I’m enjoying Halo 4 (sorry if that offends anyone) and I have played every Halo game since CE.
I would say I’m a bit more than a casual gamer and I almost always go plus in multiplayer always have done.

Halo4 defiantly has its problems but its still playable and for me enjoyable.
I just hope they learn from this with halo 5 an go back to how Halo should be.

P.S who else thinks they should re-release Halo2 HD XBLA halo would thrive again then.

Played and loved each Halo game since Halo: CE. I like Halo 4. I’m sorry. But I completely disagree with you. If a player like Halo 4, it doesn’t make them any less of a Halo gamer than anyone else.

Basically, from the first paragraph I stopped reading. To sum it up, If I like Halo 4, that means I have only played Halo since Halo 3/Reach, Or I was bad at previous Halo’s.

No mate. That’s actually quite pathetic to say.

  • Good Day Sir.

> If you believe that Halo 4 is one of the better Halo games ever made then you are either A) New to the Halo series and thus could not enjoy the previous games due to being a gamer in an era where FPS games are very much a disgrace to what the once were. B) Play the game on a casual basis as in if you’re bored or just feel like playing Halo, yet not strongly dedicated to Halo in any way shape or form. or C) You have been around past Halo’s but to be honest you werent the best at those games nor did you ever understand what made games such as Halo CE and Halo 2 so good (example: The higher amount of skill required to be good at those games and the more even playing field without slow kill times, slow movement speed, and rediculous random elements such as AAs that ruined what Halo was)

thats a whole lot of opinion your throwin around here guy.

anyway i disagree. its ok just not great. still a fun game and i hope the TU makes it even better. it always does…

Halo player since CE

> Played and loved each Halo game since Halo: CE. I like Halo 4. I’m sorry. But I completely disagree with you. If a player like Halo 4, it doesn’t make them any less of a Halo gamer than anyone else.
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> Basically, from the first paragraph I stopped reading. To sum it up, If I like Halo 4, that means I have only played Halo since Halo 3/Reach, Or I was bad at previous Halo’s.
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> No mate. That’s actually quite pathetic to say.
>
> - Good Day Sir.

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> A majority of the Halo community knows and understands that Halo 4 fails in comparison to the quality of past Halo games (minus Halo Reach). IF you disagree then I am going to be completely honest with you right now because it needs to be said.

What makes a game exciting for one person is not going to be necessarily true to someone else. For those who enjoyed Reach, it was a great game. For those who enjoyed Halo 3, it was a great game. It is no different with Halo 4. It is purely opinion-based.

> If you believe that Halo 4 is one of the better Halo games ever made then you are either A) New to the Halo series and thus could not enjoy the previous games due to being a gamer in an era where FPS games are very much a disgrace to what the once were.

I will never understand why people can’t see the obvious truth when it comes to making points like you just did.

You want your opinion to be heard, respected, and treated equally with others opinions, otherwise you wouldn’t make the post, but you willingly insult them to the point your opinion and whatever points you may have been able to make is quickly discarded.

For the record, I’ve been through over ten gamertags since I started with CE LAN and I’ve enjoyed every Halo game to date because each one has offered something different from all others including ODST and Wars. Each game has modified and allowed me to rediscover why Halo is such a unique franchise and you know what? That’s why I keep playing them.

Could they be better? Yeah. But that is also just my opinion based on what I want.

> B) Play the game on a casual basis as in if you’re bored or just feel like playing Halo, yet not strongly dedicated to Halo in any way shape or form.

The personal reasons for why someone plays or enjoys Halo is not for you to strike at. I can tell your youthful in mind, so I’ll just give you this advice: your sense of entitlement is only as good as your ability to respect any other persons’ opinion whether you like them or not.

> C) You have been around past Halo’s, but to be honest you weren’t the best at those games nor did you ever understand what made games such as Halo CE and Halo 2 so good (example: The higher amount of skill required to be good at those games and the more even playing field without slow kill times, slow movement speed, and ridiculous random elements such as AAs that ruined what Halo was)

He he he…

Thanks for the chuckle. To be honest, any persons skill level speaks for themselves. Not saying I’m good because the fact is, if you really want to find out how good I am and can be, you’ll step into a match with me and find out just why I can make things work where others on these forums post how impossible it seems.

> Now on to the part where I’m confused.
>
> Why do people keep having this attitude saying “It’s only been 2 months” or “Just give it time”

anything, historically speaking, that has been built into something unique for people has taken time. No way to get around that, and gaming is no different.

> The Halo community has waited for YEARS for Halo to come back to what it once was, we have voiced our complaints and our wishes for YEARS and they’ve fallen on deaf ears time and time again. Sure Bungie was before, but now it’s 343i and in my honest opinion they are doing much worse.

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, this sense of entitlement, that players feel they built up this franchise, needs to be harnessed. You and others did not build up anything. The current situations involving this is the complaints over the years is a specific criteria based on a single community or entity experience where the diversity present in both gamers across the board as well as the Halo community must always take a higher precedence then the individual community concerns.

> They promised Halo was going back to its roots with Halo 4, they lied.

Check your stats and quotes, they never promised Halo was going to revert back to its roots.

> Now they continue to make changes that nobody seems to want. Since when did people want Team Snipers removed? People asked for a regular FFA and we got Throwback FFA? If the least played gametype gets removed every week then why is Crimson DLC still there?

Crimson DLC has achievements tied to it. That will be staying permanently. the achievements are very specific to be done in matchmaking. This prevents the ability for even custom games to get them done. That playlist now must remain as a permanent playlist. Failure to do so is doing a greater disservice then I care to think about.

As for the changes, you progress things forward, not backward. And when moving forward, you have to consider far too many possibilities just from the human element alone.

> Then we have the Title Update coming up. Why cant you just tell everyone exactly what you guys did wrong and tell us how and what you’re fixing? This whole keeping to the background and not communicating with the community is really hurting you guys.

Firstly, what they are fixing has already been explained from B.S. Angel. they don’t want people abusing the potential glitches any more then they already are.

> As for people who think Halo 4 isn’t dying, being 100k or lower for a population is dying for a big AAA title.

Thanks for your opinion.

> Get that through your head. Sure its number 2 on the list of most played games, but thats only because its only other competition is Call of Duty, which is blowing it out of the water right now in terms of population, even MW3 is pretty damn close to it as well as older CoD games.

Using that argument has proven, over the course of my 1 year and half on these forums, to be more counterproductive then productive. Something to consider.

> Open you’re eyes people. We deserve answers, we deserve a voice to be spoken to us.
>
> Enough making excuses to defend 343i or to defend Halo 4 and actually try and get answers for our game.

‘Our’ game. Thanks for honestly putting your thoughts down, but you have this situation mixed up and backwards. Our game is only the experience we forge for ourselves within the system.

Whether that is being the greatest competitive player in the system to just enjoying the layouts and abilities we can utilize.

We do not help build this game, we do not do the research into the Halo community to figure out what everyone wants, etc…

i am 20 years old and the majority of the people I talk to are younger than me. I have a very hard time believing people younger than me are experienced halo CE or even halo 2 players. I have put a ton of hours into a possibly pirated copy of CE on pc, but halo 2 was before my time. I wasn’t old enough to go to walmart and buy it. Very few of my IRL friends moms got it for them either.

as a casual who has only played since h3, and was not very good at it, I agree that halo 4 isnt as good as CE or halo 3. in fact it doesnt even come close to comparing thanks to:
loadouts
AA’s
Ordinance
Instant respawns
JIP
And poor searches for games (constantly matching people across the world from eachother)

I do feel blessed that I got a solid year of h3 before reach came out, and that I got one of the many copies of CE my friend was handing out. I know what could make this game, and the next ones great.

It is really sad to see newcomers/ignorant people not know what they are missing.

Wow…

So you think you can profile people based on the fact that they enjoy a certain video game? Using the word honestly doesn’t mean what your saying is a fact. I hate when people act like they can evaluate each person simply based on a small factor such as game preference.

Guess what! Halo 2 was my favorite FPS of all time, I played it non-stop and was pretty good at it (even won some local tourneys), but I love Halo 4 more than any modern game at the moment.

So, does that mean I am lying? or is it a possibility that what you are saying is OPINION and you shouldn’t make such broad assumptions?

-NUT

> A majority of the Halo community knows and understands that Halo 4 fails in comparison to the quality of past Halo games (minus Halo Reach). IF you disagree then I am going to be completely honest with you right now because it needs to be said.
>
> If you believe that Halo 4 is one of the better Halo games ever made then you are either A) New to the Halo series and thus could not enjoy the previous games due to being a gamer in an era where FPS games are very much a disgrace to what the once were. B) Play the game on a casual basis as in if you’re bored or just feel like playing Halo, yet not strongly dedicated to Halo in any way shape or form. or C) You have been around past Halo’s but to be honest you werent the best at those games nor did you ever understand what made games such as Halo CE and Halo 2 so good (example: The higher amount of skill required to be good at those games and the more even playing field without slow kill times, slow movement speed, and rediculous random elements such as AAs that ruined what Halo was)

I’ve been around since the beginning, put hours and hours into CE and Halo 2 Campaign. I have always loved this series and continue to love it with 343. I usually always am at the top of the scoreboard (when its lag free) and usually always earn MVP. I’m a rank 40 something in Lone Wolves.

> Now on to the part where I’m confused.
>
> Why do people keep having this attitude saying “It’s only been 2 months” or “Just give it time”

Because we gave Bungie time. 5 months to be exact when it came to fixing Halo 3 when it came out broken.

> The Halo community has waited for YEARS for Halo to come back to what it once was, we have voiced our complaints and our wishes for YEARS and they’ve fallen on deaf ears time and time again. Sure Bungie was before, but now it’s 343i and in my honest opinion they are doing much worse. They promised Halo was going back to its roots with Halo 4, they lied. Now they continue to make changes that nobody seems to want. Since when did people want Team Snipers removed? People asked for a regular FFA and we got Throwback FFA? If the least played gametype gets removed every week then why is Crimson DLC still there?

The roots of Halo is more of an opinion. I would say its the campaign, but some would argue its the MP. Sorry 343 didn’t fit your bill.

> Then we have the Title Update coming up. Why cant you just tell everyone exactly what you guys did wrong and tell us how and what you’re fixing? This whole keeping to the background and not communicating with the community is really hurting you guys.

Because they are glitches that are being exploited. So rather then posting beforehand and having all of the world see and also exploit them, they rather fix it first.

> As for people who think Halo 4 isnt dying, being 100k or lower for a population is dying for a big AAA title. Get that through your head. Sure its number 2 on the list of most played games, but thats only because its only other competition is Call of Duty, which is blowing it out of the water right now in terms of population, even MW3 is pretty damn close to it as well as older CoD games.

CoD is beating Halo, live with it. We can’t change that no matter how you make them game. You just have to let the fad pass

> Open you’re eyes people. We deserve answers, we deserve a voice to be spoken to us.
>
> Enough making excuses to defend 343i or to defend Halo 4 and actually try and get answers for our game.

No, you don’t deserve a voice to be spoken to you.

> If you believe that Halo 4 is one of the better Halo games ever made then you are either A) New to the Halo series and thus could not enjoy the previous games due to being a gamer in an era where FPS games are very much a disgrace to what the once were. B) Play the game on a casual basis as in if you’re bored or just feel like playing Halo, yet not strongly dedicated to Halo in any way shape or form. or C) You have been around past Halo’s but to be honest you werent the best at those games nor did you ever understand what made games such as Halo CE and Halo 2 so good (example: The higher amount of skill required to be good at those games and the more even playing field without slow kill times, slow movement speed, and rediculous random elements such as AAs that ruined what Halo was)

A) LOLno. I got my original xbox when CE first came out and own every game (except CEA, soon guys soon.) beyond it.

B) Actually I’m very competitive, I try to be a top player in 90% of my matches.

C) People who know me realise I’m decent at Halo, it’s why they only invited me to customs back in Halo 3. Hell I dislike blowing my own trumpet but you need to be shown how wrong you are.

Halo 4 is a great game regardless of people like you. As long as people enjoy it then it’s not dead/a bad game/not Halo. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, when I put that disc in for the first time, I knew I was playing Halo (another story for another time).

As to the part that said something like “We’ve been waiting YEARS to get Halo back” (close but not a 100% accurate quote). Waiting for a re-release of Halo 2 then yeah?

> A <mark>majority of the Halo community</mark> knows and understands that Halo 4 fails in comparison to the quality of past Halo games (minus Halo Reach). IF you disagree then I am going to be completely honest with you right now because it needs to be said.
>
> If you believe that Halo 4 is one of the better Halo games ever made then you are either A) New to the Halo series and thus could not enjoy the previous games due to being a gamer in an era where FPS games are very much a disgrace to what the once were. B) Play the game on a casual basis as in if you’re bored or just feel like playing Halo, yet not strongly dedicated to Halo in any way shape or form. or C) You have been around past Halo’s but to be honest you werent the best at those games nor did you ever understand what made games such as Halo CE and Halo 2 so good (example: The higher amount of skill required to be good at those games and the more even playing field without slow kill times, slow movement speed, and rediculous random elements such as AAs that ruined what Halo was)
>
> Now on to the part where I’m confused.
>
> Why do people keep having this attitude saying “It’s only been 2 months” or “Just give it time”
>
> The Halo community has waited for YEARS for Halo to come back to what it once was, we have voiced our complaints and our wishes for YEARS and they’ve fallen on deaf ears time and time again. Sure Bungie was before, but now it’s 343i and in my honest opinion they are doing much worse. They promised Halo was going back to its roots with Halo 4, they lied. Now they continue to make changes that nobody seems to want. Since when did people want Team Snipers removed? People asked for a regular FFA and we got Throwback FFA? If the least played gametype gets removed every week then why is Crimson DLC still there?
>
> Then we have the Title Update coming up. Why cant you just tell everyone exactly what you guys did wrong and tell us how and what you’re fixing? This whole keeping to the background and not communicating with the community is really hurting you guys.
>
> As for people who think Halo 4 isnt dying, being 100k or lower for a population is dying for a big AAA title. Get that through your head. Sure its number 2 on the list of most played games, but thats only because its only other competition is Call of Duty, which is blowing it out of the water right now in terms of population, even MW3 is pretty damn close to it as well as older CoD games.
>
> Open you’re eyes people. We deserve answers, we deserve a voice to be spoken to us.
>
> Enough making excuses to defend 343i or to defend Halo 4 and actually try and get answers for our game.

To correct you on this statement it would be “Minority” and speak for yourself not others, I don’t see Halo 4 as a failure and a lot of people like me don’t see this most of them are just simply playing the game and we will never know how most of the community feels about this game until they come on here and comment on it. I’ve also been gaming since 1999 and I have played every Halo and I disagree with your entire statement I am also a Competitive Player so your statement makes no sense and is filled with complete bias propaganda.

All TU’s change logs release after the update is fully installed, To prevent people from abusing glitches they don’t know about that others are abusing so like if there is a map exploit that cheats the game, by not releasing the TU’s change log early they are keeping people from finding out those glitches that exploit the game until after they are patched then they can’t abuse it anymore or whatever.

I hate when people try using the stupid pop charts as a way to challenge others and argue that the game is dying.
Which is a horrible argument. Stop bringing up 100K populations from halocharts it isn’t accurate and if you don’t know your facts about these said pop charts then stop using them as a way to spread more of your bias propaganda.

OP don’t presume you are the king of Halo who decides who knows best, who is committed and who knows what they are talking about…it’s your opinion and yes the forums are full of kids like you but their are over 100,000 people who disagree with you every night on halo 4 imagine if they all posted how much they love the game it would make you and a few hundred other kids look like what you are, which is a minority, I have been on xbl almost 9 years played CE to death, 15,000 games of Halo 2 , 7000 games of Halo 3 and 5000 of reach ! Stop trying to live in the past EVOLVE if your good enough you will if your not you’ll moan and winge, Halo 4 is great not perfect but great.

> We do not help build this game, we do not do the research into the Halo community to figure out what everyone wants, etc…

Conformity, such a disgusting concept. I refuse to know my place.

I’ve researched just about every aspect of Halo campaign (tricking, strategy, exploration, easter eggs, skulls, challenges, achievements, AI, graphics, animations, performance, level geometry, level design, scripting, glitching).

I’ve played every Halo campaign but ODST and Wars thoroughly (most people wouldn’t even know what things I was talking about if I didn’t provide any context), finding new ways to play, and extend the game’s longevity.

Why shouldn’t I have a say in how it’s made?

I have to disagree sir. I love Halo 4 as well as all the previous Halo titles. I can honestly say that there are a few things in the multiplayer part that I dislike. Those being the OP boltshot and the weird spawning places on some of the maps,or the occasional lag or connection problems,as well as other things, but those things aren’t gonna make me be a little pansy and be all butt hurt about it and quite the game intirely. I do believe that 343 will get all the problems fixed in time and will bring back the playlist that we all want soon.

I have played Halo since CE on the PC but really got into the multiplayer part with Halo 2. Halo 3 had an awesome multiplayer as well, better than Halo 2 in my opnion. Reach was awesome in other ways as well in my opinion. Halo 4 brings new aspects to the Halo franchise, some I love and some I don’t, but again the things I don’t like aren’t gonna make me quite a the game just because I didn’t get everything I wanted out of the game or because there are things that I don’t like. I mainly play Halo for the campaign, for the story and the lore of Halo. The multiplayer is just an awesome bonus that I can do with my friends and something fun to do when I don’t wana play the capaign. Now don’t get me wrong, I know the ropes around Halo multiplayer. I’m not no MLG or pro player either. I reached the rank of Commander Grade 3 in Halo 3, and reached the rank of Mythic in Halo Reach and am currently sitting at the rank of SR71 in Halo 4. So i do know what I’m talking about when it comes to MP.

I have to honestly say that I stopped Halo 4 to play Black Ops 2 to see what all the hipe was about and honestly, that game is so screwed up! I don’t see how you people and COD players can complain about Halo when its BOP2 that is the screwed up game! I constantly get killed after I spawn and people just go around and noob-tube people or spam the SMG to name a few. Not to mention the constant lag and connection problems. But also like Halo, the game will eventually have all the problems fixed and stuff like that. I’m still a diehard Halo fan though. lol.

Sorry for the little rant but I just get tired of reading alot of these forums and seeing all the people complain about stuff or bad mouth 343 and say they sent out a incomplete game. I think 343 did a great job with this game for the most part and look foward to the next 2 games. Again all of this is just my opinion and what I believe, I understand everyone has a right to their own opinions, I just get tired tired of all the negativity.