Halo Commmunity! We need to stop fighting!

no fighting on this post please.
Halo Community! We need to stop fighting!
It’s been a year and a few months since 343I grabbed/had passed Halo on to them. I want to start off by saying I’m honored they’re continuing the saga, I’m not here to criticize them or the community itself, but more have a constructive opinion to help our community out. Nothing is going to work if we don’t start working together. Here’ is a few problems about the community causing the backlash we’ve had. (On a personal side note: Yes I blame the community more then 343I itself. They have every right to make mistakes. As many as they want. The fact of the matter is they are learning a engine they never made before. As long as their trying, I won’t be mad. They did well on Halo 4. I will be going over this if it’s requested, but I want to try and stay away from non-constructive opinions)

Bungie Passing Halo to 343I
Ever since 343I became on of the main driver seats of Halo, the community had been split into two and sides are constantly being made. I’m merely wanting to stop this war that has been raging. People are acting like 343I is the devil and in return 343I acting like they are the devil. Nobody is working with each other. Grant it, 343I has made some good changes (personal note: it made me re-download Halo 5), and I’m hopeful about it. I’ve also seen the community coming together more often, we need more of that. That’s what’s going to make us flourish.
It all started with Halo 4, set aside some things, Halo 4 was one of the best Halo’s, you can’t ignore that. The only reason people are mad is Bungie gave up Halo for Destiney. And honestly I like both! However, those who are simply mad at 343I for this reason alone, they need to chill. I’ve met many like this, cause well I like to talk about Halo. And it always comes up then they like shove it down my throat Bungie was better. Well no duh! I don’t care that Bungie was better, 343I can be just as good if we let them be. Bungie has years of experience compared to 343I. However 343I has something Bungie didn’t. Bungie was fearful to expand in some area’s, where 343I wasn’t. Give 343I the chance to prove themselves you’ll bet you * that you’ll enjoy it. Look at Halo Wars 2! That was the result of the community working together and giving 343I a chance. I know it’s going to be amazing. We need to keep that attitude for Halo 6! So does 343I.The result of Halo Wars 2 came from us people who wanting to work on Halo for the better. 343I heard us, and now Halo is starting to fix itself.

Halo 4

Halo 4, Tell me, did you play it? Didn’t you not preorder it? Or didn’t you not completely? Either way, it’s one of the best Halo’s that ran from Reach. Knowing though, reach wasn’t all that faithful to what Bungie wanted. It still was one of the best. I like comparing Halo 4 to Reach for this reason. 343I was trying to take the step Bungie was. Essentially Halo 4 turned out like Reach. I honestly don’t understand why people thought it was COD style, but it really was just Halo Reach. I mean you can even spawn Noble Team in one of the mission on Halo 4 with mods. I think one of the reason it felt COD to most people was the Weapon Drops and load out system, but that was only two mechanics? The rest was Halo! like literally comparing it to Halo Reach. It was nearly a replica. 343I retextured yes, but Honestly Halo 5 would of went better if we didn’t lash out on “day one” at 343I. Halo 4 will forever be an example of a bad community decision. Gran it, some stuff was good to change. I admit the art style just didn’t feel right. However it did look Halo to me set aside some small details. Forerunners had return, and oh boy that was amazing! I just wish the community talked with 343I first, before raging. That was the downfall of Halo 4, and literally the only one. (Personal note: I’m staying to facts here no opinions)

What 343I is going through

Well alright here we are. The bigger. 343I was trying their best, I can see it. They’re taking steps to learn, and with Halo Wars 2 I think 343I can hear the Halo fans that actually tried to help the community aside from destroy it. First off, let me say I know 343I is tearing their heads off because of the ongoing war that has been happening. We need to give them some slack. Don’t press on area’s we don’t need to. Everyone is like do this, do this, do this, and everything is different and 343I can’t keep up. We literally are telling them one thing, then another! Those of us asking for just a simple Halo game, finally probably got herd, thus the result of Halo Wars 2. The team up there, I be there under so much stress, they can’t thinking clearly. What happens when you don’t give someone time to think? Well they will tear themselves apart. Let alone they got Microsoft up their *. We as a community need to understand this and not be a hypocritical or discriminating group. Especially where we don’t need to be. I hear the community complaining about the smallest things like, a warthog doesn’t sound right. Honestly I’d rather it play well then sound right. Just try to understand from their view point, what your lashing what can do to them especially with 10,000 to thousands of people at once yelling at them. Lets work on what we need first, before the extra’s. What will make Halo simple, but good. That’s what we need to think when we come together as a community. We need a consensus in order to steer 343I to the right path.

COD Players

This is one I didn’t really want to go over, but guys, as much as I Love COD myself, you from another community needs to understand what Halo is. It’s not suppose to be a realistic game. No ammo drops etc. Aiming even isn’t suppose to be like it is. However Halo 5 was good, but adding it to all weapons I think was a bad choice. However it still worked. It just needs balanced. COD players can’t understand what Halo means to be Halo. If 343I wanted to go realistic with Halo, nobody would be able to play well at all, it would be so complex that well the game would probably * on itself. COD opinions yes, you guys matter, but I want you to understand what Halo really means, and what it make it really Halo. If you can’t play Halo’s 1 thru 3 without hating it, then you don’t really belong. That’s just natural. Don’t force yourself to play a game you never liked. Especially a series then expect to change it. If your going to try and change that about Halo, you need to understand why we’re split into groups, why this caused such a stir. Gran it if you follow a time line, yes eventually COD would become Halo if Halo was to be real and so was COD right. However if the fact in the game world, that two companies will and should never share the same game mechanics (Personal Note: I mean like copying a game completely). One, copyright reasons, two, I bet no companies would really do that. Its like suddenly saying every game was going to be the same. It would get boring really fast. That was what made Halo amazing. It stayed away from what COD eventually became. But like I said, I didn’t really want to do this, but it is one of the problems. I love COD. I want Halo to stay Halo, and COD to stay COD. I want to be playing two different games, not the same one with different titles.

Let’s work together
It’s time to put our heads together. No more fighting. Lets help 343I make a game. NOT destroy them. I know we’re more mature then this.
Concerns of a Halo Fan since 2007, in response from,
Halo Community.
KogaGmente III

343 is one who divided the Halo community.

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> 343 is one who divided the Halo community.

your pointing fingers, please constructive criticism only.

I laughed out loud so many times while reading this.

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> Halo 4’s multiplayer gameplay was designed with a “me first” mindset. Ordanance drops, Promethean Vision, self-shielding, personal XP as ranks, customized Loadouts, and Armor Specialization caused the game to deviate a whole lot more from traditional Halo than Reach ever could have done. There were literally four major aspects from Call of Duty implemented in Halo 4 and three of those drastically affected gameplay. At least in Reach, the only sins it committed were Loadouts (where everyone literally had the same exact options except in Socials/Invasion) and a unified XP and Ranking system. One gameplay sin, and one “improvement of life” sin.

Yeah, but I thought it as minor, something I knew they were going to change. Glad it did though. With Halo Wars 2, things are looking for what we fought for.
Can only hope Halo 6 will follow.

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> your pointing fingers, please constructive criticism only.

Isn’t it true? People may argue that Bungie started, but it was 343 that continued Bungie’s divisive work. People who disliked or hated changes vocalized their opinion and another side of people defended. There is always division within the community, it’s not just Halo.

343 is ignoring the criticisms/opinions they took over the years and a lot of people gave up and a few are left here. There is no such thing like unity with full of peace, people disagree and discuss over the topic. I don’t see how this is fighting.

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> Isn’t it true? People may argue that Bungie started, but it was 343 that continued Bungie’s divisive work. People who disliked or hated changes vocalized their opinion and another side of people defended. There is always division within the community, it’s not just Halo.
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> 343 is ignoring the criticisms/opinions they took over the years and a lot of people gave up and a few are left here. There is no such thing like unity with full of peace, people disagree and discuss over the topic. I don’t see how this is fighting.

that’s why we must stand together. if we’ve already given up, then Halo is done for. Even if Bungie was to get Halo back, it would be too late. We allowed ourselves to create this void between us. 343 probably doesn’t trust us, more like haters gonna hate because of the way some reacted. we just need to be mature about it, but keep our foot down. that’s all it takes. It’s worked with Bungie and Microsoft, it will work with 343I

We can’t just go fighting without understanding. Especially if we start fighting each other. It’ll make the picture more clear for us, and 343I.

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> It all started with Halo 4, set aside some things, Halo 4 was one of the best Halo’s, you can’t ignore that.

LOL stopped reading right there. There’s a reason why half of its playerbase vanished 2 weeks after release.

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> > It all started with Halo 4, set aside some things, Halo 4 was one of the best Halo’s, you can’t ignore that.
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> LOL stopped reading right there. There’s a reason why half of its playerbase vanished 2 weeks after release.

Because no one understood it was one of their first games. Give them some slack on halo 4. No more fighting K, we all need to work together. if a clear picture is to be made. Trust me I feel you, but angering about it isn’t the right path to correction. It’s recognizing the problem first to solve the next.

Hey OP, you sure did write a lot. I just want to say thank you for dividing it up into paragraphs.

I personally was not a fan of Halo 4 multiplayer, but I love the story. I’m not a fan of Halo 5’s story, but the multiplayer is pretty damn good (just scale down the competitiveness) if we can get a combination of the two, 343 can make a halo game that we really want as a community.

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> Hey OP, you sure did write a lot. I just want to say thank you for dividing it up into paragraphs.

Your welcome!

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> Because no one understood it was one of their first games. Give them some slack on halo 4. No more fighting K, we all need to work together. if a clear picture is to be made. Trust me I feel you, but angering about it isn’t the right path to correction. It’s recognizing the problem first to solve the next.

Being a companies first game is a bad excuse

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> I personally was not a fan of Halo 4 multiplayer, but I love the story. I’m not a fan of Halo 5’s story, but the multiplayer is pretty damn good (just scale down the competitiveness) if we can get a combination of the two, 343 can make a halo game that we really want as a community.

Excellent! I feel the same here. BTW with how Halo Wars 2 is looking how to you think it will turn up?

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> > > > It all started with Halo 4, set aside some things, Halo 4 was one of the best Halo’s, you can’t ignore that.
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> > Because no one understood it was one of their first games. Give them some slack on halo 4. No more fighting K, we all need to work together. if a clear picture is to be made. Trust me I feel you, but angering about it isn’t the right path to correction. It’s recognizing the problem first to solve the next.
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> Being a companies first game is a bad excuse

excuse? uhm its a fact dude. Common please, lets not fight, I won’t reply if you don’t want to help create a consensus to steer 343I to the direction we want. I’m only trying to make things more clear.

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> Because no one understood it was one of their first games. Give them some slack on halo 4. No more fighting K, we all need to work together. if a clear picture is to be made. Trust me I feel you, but angering about it isn’t the right path to correction. It’s recognizing the problem first to solve the next.

Fine, I’ll take this with an honest answer.

No, Halo 4 was objectively not even close to the best Halo. I mean if you like it the most, then that’s fine, but it is not a factual statement.

Halo 4 was clearly given certain elements in order to gather the Call of Duty players. 2 weeks after release, guess what game came out? Black Ops II. Once that game came out, half of Halo’s player base simply vanished. Call of Duty players didn’t need to play Halo, they have Call of Duty for that. Now Halo players don’t have a Halo game because it’s trying to hard to be like Call of Duty.

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> I think one of the reason it felt COD to most people was the Weapon Drops and load out system, but that was only two mechanics? The rest was Halo!

What was “the rest”? The fact that we’re in suits and still called Spartans?

The Loadout system ruined the very foundation of Multiplayer that was established in past games: For every player to have an equal start. Now you can choose your own weapons from the very beginning, and switch them on the fly.

BTB was hugely ravaged by this because anyone can spawn with a Plasma Pistol and Plasma grenades, and render any vehicle useless. __You could spawn with a literal pocket Shotgun and it took months to patch__The Weapon drop system ruined 90% of the point of map control and all of the point of gathering power weapons. Anyone can call down a random weapon or power up in front of them. On top of that, it has a random mechanic in it. The best player can only end up with a Needler while a bad player can end up with a Rocket Launcher.

The two biggest parts of Halo’s gameplay and they’ve been changed to match Call of Duty.

Why stop there? Why not talk about Halo 4’s 14 Day Buy and Play, where they clearly had a mistake where people were able to get the Crimson map pack for free, but tey spin it around as a “special service”, but amazingly needed a patch to remove.

It’s time to take a look at the huge elephant in the room here.

SKIP TO THE BOTTOM TO SKIP LOT’S OF READING

The community is divided in 2. The Bungie supporters don’t want things like smart link and thrust and ground pound and Spartan Charge (Noone asked for any of these things). Also there are more controversial things like microtransactions and pay 2 win and the dis aster that was the MCC (ugh). The 343i “Fanboys” are from other First person shooters like COD, Titan fall and Battlefield and enjoy the more generic FPS mechanics like sprint and ADS. My friend LOVES COD and one of his main complaints with Halo 2 Anniversary is that the game is too slow without sprint, and he would enjoy it much more if there was sprint. Most of my Xbl friends that I met through Halo 5 (excluding one) have all pretty much given up on Halo 5 and gone to games like Destiny.

Long story short, because the community is dI video in two, it’s almost impossible for us all to agree on something 343i makes. I’m in the middle, I know why Halo is going downhill and I know why people don’t want to play it but I like OG Halo and I don’t mind NEW Halo.

-Pece

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> > Because no one understood it was one of their first games. Give them some slack on halo 4. No more fighting K, we all need to work together. if a clear picture is to be made. Trust me I feel you, but angering about it isn’t the right path to correction. It’s recognizing the problem first to solve the next.
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> Fine, I’ll take this with an honest answer.
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> No, Halo 4 was objectively not even close to the best Halo. I mean if you like it the most, then that’s fine, but it is not a factual statement.
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> Halo 4 was clearly given certain elements in order to gather the Call of Duty players. 2 weeks after release, guess what game came out? Black Ops II. Once that game came out, half of Halo’s player base simply vanished. Call of Duty players didn’t need to play Halo, they have Call of Duty for that. Now Halo players don’t have a Halo game because it’s trying to hard to be like Call of Duty.
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> > I think one of the reason it felt COD to most people was the Weapon Drops and load out system, but that was only two mechanics? The rest was Halo!
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> What was “the rest”? The fact that we’re in suits and still called Spartans?
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> The Loadout system ruined the very foundation of Multiplayer that was established in past games: For every player to have an equal start. Now you can choose your own weapons from the very beginning, and switch them on the fly.
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> BTB was hugely ravaged by this because anyone can spawn with a Plasma Pistol and Plasma grenades, and render any vehicle useless. __You could spawn with a literal pocket Shotgun and it took months to patch__The Weapon drop system ruined 90% of the point of map control and all of the point of gathering power weapons. Anyone can call down a random weapon or power up in front of them. On top of that, it has a random mechanic in it. The best player can only end up with a Needler while a bad player can end up with a Rocket Launcher.
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> The two biggest parts of Halo’s gameplay and they’ve been changed to match Call of Duty.
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> Why stop there? Why not talk about Halo 4’s 14 Day Buy and Play, where they clearly had a mistake where people were able to get the Crimson map pack for free, but tey spin it around as a “special service”, but amazingly needed a patch to remove.
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> It’s time to take a look at the huge elephant in the room here.

elephant? whats an elephant have to do with this?

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> > > Because no one understood it was one of their first games. Give them some slack on halo 4. No more fighting K, we all need to work together. if a clear picture is to be made. Trust me I feel you, but angering about it isn’t the right path to correction. It’s recognizing the problem first to solve the next.
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> excuse? uhm its a fact dude. Common please, lets not fight, I won’t reply if you don’t want to help create a consensus to steer 343I to the direction we want. I’m only trying to make things more clear.

Now that I’m done with Halo 4, Let’s talk about 343i in general.

How many chances do they need? We have Halo 4, we have Halo MCC, which itself was a huge technological failure, and now Halo 5, where their great positives are smashed between very amateur negatives.

You’re gonna bring up Halo Wars 2, where “That was the result of the community working together and giving 343I a chance.” No, that is the result of 343i giving Certain Affinity another chance, which we already know will do well because of Halo 2 Anniversary.