Halo Book Club: Contact Harvest Discussion

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Current selection: Halo: Contact Harvest
Assigned: November 4th, 2010
Recommended completion date: December 4th, 2010
Discussion opens: November 18th, 2010

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If you’re anything like me, you are slowly but surely working your way through Halo: Contact Harvest. We’re beginning our discussion early this month because several people are anxious to get started. Because many people have not yet finished the book in its entirety (the recommended completion date is December 4th), I’d like to keep the focus on the first half for now. Please avoid spoilers for the time being if possible.

So, let’s get started! Joseph Staten opens Halo: Contact Harvest with a short prologue that introduces us to Staff Sergeant Avery Johnson. What mood did it set for you as you prepared to start reading the book? Did you like the back story? Did you find that it elicited any emotions, and if so, what in particular sparked that reaction?

I’ll go ahead and share my experience with it. I don’t play realistic war games. I avoid human vs. human shooters because I like my video games to reside in a fantasy world. The prologue was uncomfortable for me because not only was it human on human violence, but it also drew a child into the mix. In addition to that, I found it intriguing that the person we’re introduced to, Sgt. Johnson, is immediately presented as a flawed character. He hesitated, and that mistake resulted in a very tangible loss. All in all, it piqued my interest and made me wonder how it would tie into the book since it wasn’t immediately relevant in the first few chapters.

When I read that prologue this time around, I suddenly thought just how extremely fearsome that Stanchion rifle is. When modern soldiers talk about the infamous Barrett .50 cal. sniper rifle, they talk about with a reverence, due to the fact that one could be shot with from a mile away. The Stanchion Rifle tops that with being able to shoot accurately through buildings. Essentially, in an urban combat theater, you could be shot from anywhere, even by a sniper inside a building.

I read this book a bit of a while ago, but I do remember it, I agree with you angel, I though it was really weird that Johnson was introduced the way he was, seeing that he’s quite the bad -Yoink- in our games.

And that rifle is quite the scary rifle, I remember reading it the first time like (o_O) when they described that rifle in detail.

I’m not sure if I’m going too far ahead here or not, but I really like the characters Mack and Sif, I’m not sure why but I seemed to enjoy their interactions with each other. (But I won’t say who they are just incase some haven’t gotten to that part yet) Though personally I prefer the story to stay focused on characters such as Johnson over characters like Huragok. (Again, I won’t mention who they are just incase people haven’t gotten there yet)

We will dip into both of those relationships after we’re done discussing the prologue and earlier elements, definitely!

I found the prologue decidedly chilling.

I was definitely squirming slightly inside when I read the paragraph about Byrne so casually breaking the leg of one of the Innies. I was also pretty depressed as I recognised so many similarities between the suspicion and distrust which bubbles under the surface of our own society.

I was also amazed how much it got me thinking about the morality of torture and the difficulties facing Avery and Byrne when having to deal with being on the back foot inteligence-wise and having to be constantly consider the known unkowns as well as the unkown unknowns.

Setting up Avery as a flawed character was interesting to me also, particularly when one considers that he was a selected volunteer for the Orion Project which presumably selected only the very best? However, I felt that this was a great back story to such a well loved character; one of the things I always liked about Johnson was his sheer humanity when compared to John 117’s lack of emotion.

I have always enjoyed chapter-sized mission narration as it keeps the pace short and snappy. I found myself intrigued as to how it would progress and I definitely wanted to see the start of Avery’s recovery from such trauma and his journey to the marine I loved to love in the Halo games.

Great questions, looking forward to the next set :slight_smile:

Johnson’s take in the war is really interesting. It is a reminder that they are still humans. A reminder of ourselves, our horrors.
The begining part of harvest was quite good. It showcased some of the ‘‘everyday’’ elements.

Contact Harvest is my favorite of the Halo books for a variety fo reasons, the most prominent of which is the level of detail Staten attributes to the subject matter. He really lifts the curtain on a lot of things throughout the book, and you first start to see that here in the prologue, with his interpretation of the Insurrection and the conflicts which spring up around that. He lays out all of the pieces to the puzzle (the players, the struggles) and does it within the context of this very gritty, very human scenario.

I think Johnson is showed to be a flawed character to show why he’s such a badass later. He’s made mistakes, seen some bad things, and it’s hardened him. As for his mistake, that taught him that a moments hesitation or showing any weakness can kill you.

You know this book makes Johnson’s death a lot sadder. I’m going to play the last level in Halo 3 again after I finished it. The first time I read contact harvest, I didn’t pick up much because I kept putting off reading it and I took like month breaks in between. At the time I was into star wars books a lot back then and was already given a lot to read in school such as Tuesdays with Morrie, To kill a mocking bird(This one was weird because I had to read it twice in 8th grade and in freshman), et cetra.

Since I am reading this in just a few days or so I can understand it deeper than before.

As someone who has not read Contact Harvest until now, this prologue has turned out to be very interesting for me. Already it makes me wonder if the bravado exhibited by Johnson in the games is merely a facade, if he is trying to bury events like this in some fashion through his exuberance.

Considering real-world procedures and events this also provides us with an opportunity for a bit of stark comparison. I know that the tactic of calling the Insurrectionists “Innies” to ‘de-humanize’ them is not an uncommon tactic in military forces. Perhaps the grittiness also helps to show just how dirty the Insurrectionists were willing to fight, but also how dirty ONI was willing to fight, and that ultimately both parties are just war criminals of a sort. Makes you think a little about some real-world conflicts worldwide, and if there truly is a ‘good’ side in a fight.

That also being said, I liked the description of the Stanchion. But that’s just cause I’m a gun nerd like that.

Agreed. In fact, I’ve always seen a healthy dose of social commentary in the Halo universe regarding that. Too often it seems is that an inhuman force might be the only thing that could ever truly bring humanity together for a common goal.

Grim

> I know that the tactic of calling the Insurrectionists “Innies” to ‘de-humanize’ them is not an uncommon tactic in military forces. Perhaps the grittiness also helps to show just how dirty the Insurrectionists were willing to fight, but also how dirty ONI was willing to fight, and that ultimately both parties are just war criminals of a sort. Makes you think a little about some real-world conflicts worldwide, and if there truly is a ‘good’ side in a fight.

Very interesting perspective that brings up another point worth discussing. This goes out to everybody: What was your opinion of the UNSC and ONI at the beginning of the book? Good? Bad? Somewhere in between? And what in particular formed that opinion?

I am, and have always been, very wary of the UNSC, and ONI in particular simply because of the pressure they are (or feel?) under to hold together humanity and then lengths that they then have to go to to ensure that this happens.

This prologue got me wondering what exactly Johnson and Byrne had experienced before, what training they had undertaken and what propaganda was out there for the civilians… dehumanisation and demonisation of enemies is often used to ‘enable’ troops to distance themselves so as to commit the horrifying acts which are deemed necessary by the strategists. Shady at the very best of times, and the more you get to know ONI through the books the more shady they become.

That said, I got the sense that ONI were also hard at work to protect its soldiers and its people by taking the hard decisions so as to gain intelligence and to try and keep up with the Insurrectionists & prevent terrible sabotage, or attack.

You’re right as well Ninja Orca, about making you think about some of the real-world conflicts, and how dirty it all gets… especially with ongoing terrorism / insurrection .Dehumanisation, it seems to me that these tactics in warfare appears to be most prevalent in long lasting guerilla wars such as the ‘troubles’ in Northern Ireland, genocide in Rwanda and the Congo. These wars had to be fought on two fronts; firstly with the guerillas so as to end the conflict, and secondly with (cheesy as it sounds) the hearts and minds of the people stuck in the middle…

> > I know that the tactic of calling the Insurrectionists “Innies” to ‘de-humanize’ them is not an uncommon tactic in military forces. Perhaps the grittiness also helps to show just how dirty the Insurrectionists were willing to fight, but also how dirty ONI was willing to fight, and that ultimately both parties are just war criminals of a sort. Makes you think a little about some real-world conflicts worldwide, and if there truly is a ‘good’ side in a fight.
>
> Very interesting perspective that brings up another point worth discussing. This goes out to everybody: What was your opinion of the UNSC and ONI at the beginning of the book? Good? Bad? Somewhere in between? And what in particular formed that opinion?

Well, this is an awfully big subject to dive into. Contact Harvest, without a shadow of a doubt, gave us the most insight and detail into the nature of the UNSC and the Insurrection.
Though on reflection, this is somewhat inevitable given that it is the only time the subject matter has been given such attention. After all, the story is, for the most part, before the Covenant.

Anyway, my opinion of the UNSC, ONI and Insurrection was actually exactly what it had been before reading CH.
ONI had long been represented as a rather shady organisation, one that is not especially trusted by most of those serving in the UNSC. They are the paranoid spooks, spying on their own people as much as the opposition.
This goes back to the very beginning really.
Lest we forget, the Spartans were not created to protect humanity from an alien threat, they were created to eliminate the threat of rebellion.
The UNSC and ONI took the measures of kidnapping children, replacing them with flash clones, indoctrinating them and experimenting on them to create the Spartan II’s.
Ethically speaking, no matter how essential it was for humanities survival, this is very hard to justify, especially when we sit down and put them into these terms.
There was also the story in the HGN which told us how the UNSC and ONI was spinning the media, manipulating the truth and making out as if the war with the Covenant was actually going well.
Its very likely that this was the case during the height of the Insurrection in terms of media output on Earth and the Inner Colonies.

Now for me, when it came to the UNSC and Innies (or even the Covenant for that matter), I never really saw it in the simple old terms of good/bad, black and white.
This might be a little controversial for me to go into, but bear with me.
I’m a Brit, and as a result of that, a good chunk of my life was spent under the very real threat of Innie like terrorism from the IRA which is potentially a reasonable analogue to the UNSC and Innies, but on a much smaller scale.
True enough, I’d personally been involved in a couple of evacuations from shopping centres when bomb threats were made or suspicious packages found.
That was the nature of living in the UK in the 80’s and 90’s. It was what I grew up with. There were many bombings and many casualties.
It’s a different kind of terrorism from what many people come to expect of the word these days. These were people speaking the same language, living near by, and fighting for political ideas and what they considered freedom.
Going through school and learning about the IRA and such, one of the things that came to light was the phrase:

> “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”

This was something I always had in mind for the UNSC/Innie conflict.
Plainly, once you start to explore Halo beyond the games, it becomes apparent that the UNSC and United Earth Government is far from perfect and has performed what could be described as crimes against humanity.
It has its own dark and dirty secrets, so it is certainly possible to see reason for rebellion.
(As a side note, is it not interesting that when the word rebellion is used, it suddenly becomes a much more ‘romantic’ or ‘heroic’ proposition? This might be part of the Star Wars effect. Even in Star Wars though, not all Rebels were good and not all Imperials were evil.)

Contact Harvest really gave us an insight about just how dirty and gritty the war between the UNSC and Innies really was.
It did so by telling human stories from the point of view of people that were though, rather than simply be narration by the writer, and this is something I deeply appreciate.

Sorry if that went on a bit, lol.

> Everyone is a hero, and a villain. And no one knows who is the victim and who is the aggressor. And what is peace? All questions commonly asked about any war in history
> - Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War

> It’s a different kind of terrorism from what many people come to expect of the word these days. These were people speaking the same language, living near by, and fighting for political ideas and what they considered freedom.

I think that hits the nail on the head actually when you consider the difficulties that the UNSC faced, as well as the Insurrectionists themselves and how easliy this escalated into a dirty war on both sides.

Not being sure of the identity of friend or foe, distrust of neighbours and colleagues will probably have influenced the ways that ONI will have to have managed both its internal and external affairs. This prologue (as I have already said) definitely got me wondering what had happened previously to have allowed the situation to be so bad, particularly as ORION must have already have been done and dusted…

needs must when the devil drives?

So is the question thus: Did the very nature of the conflict, the grey distinction between friend and foe, cause the paranoia and desperation that we see in ONI? Or were they always the kind of people who would want to ‘win at any cost’?

> So is the question thus: Did the very nature of the conflict, the grey distinction between friend and foe, cause the paranoia and desperation that we see in ONI? Or were they always the kind of people who would want to ‘win at any cost’?

I’m not sure if we can really answer that based on Contact Harvest, so I fear it might be striving out a bit far from the subject.
Based on Halsey’s Journal though, it would seem ONI had been investigating the possibility of an insurrection, and planning to counter one, quite a bit before it actually began.
Though we then start entering the area of the Reach data pads and AI’s pulling humanities strings behind the scenes, like something from Metal Gear Solid.

> Enemies are not accidental or unfortunate. We make them, we earn them, and we nurture them, whether we realise it or not.
> If we can’t find real enemies, we’ll invent them and make them as big as we can.
> They become our justification for existing, or excuses for our own feelings.
> Many of us would suffer if we didn’t have them.
> Who would need a military with no threat of opposition?

> So is the question thus: Did the very nature of the conflict, the grey distinction between friend and foe, cause the paranoia and desperation that we see in ONI? Or were they always the kind of people who would want to ‘win at any cost’?

A body of highly driven, possibly idealistic and certainly gifted individuals could well lead to the pushing and pulling of every development to each individuals their advantage - cue the overbearing agressive stance of Ackerson, the control exerted by Parangosky and the opportunity for Dr Halsey to have numerous projects green lit and develop technology to whole new heights…

But with the combustible mixture of people and characters I suppose it is inevitable that there is an element of competition & the need to win (against friend or foe) whatever the cost…

I think you can trust the UNSC and ONI to be alot like real government and secret service agencies. In the end it will be this way of doing business that allows them to survive the war against the covenant. It seems to me that before the war with the Covenant the UNSC were not really the good guys, they were just the dominate power. Nothing I have ever read or seen has described ONI’s ultimate goals or motivations aside from killing innies and covies. Its hard to say the innies are exactly right though either because only cowards would bomb civilian centers to prove a point to a military force. Like I said it’s because of the war with the innies that Humans survived at all but was it justified? shrugs