I truly understand that Halo needs to evolve and that it just can’t be Halo 2.5 or 3.5 over and over again. Heck I can understand the inclusion of AA’s and loadouts for that reason. I am a long time halo fan who was 14 when Halo CE came out in 2001. I have since played halo almost exclusively since then. What I don’t get is why the developers feel the need to keep messing around with the basic formula of Halo set out in Halo 2. While I prefer CE over 2, H2 is generally a pretty common ground with halo fans so I will base my argument on that. So why is halo changing the basics when there are so many other ways to evolve the game to stay fresh?
1)Why did they change descoping when shot? I don’t think I ever saw a thread of people demanding de-scoping be removed lol.
2)Whats the point of sprint as opposed to running fast in all directions, just bump movement speed to 110 or 120 with no move acceleration then BOOM sprinting in every direction and walking by moving joystick halfway.
3)Honestly why make the BR and DMR 5 shots but with fast ROF? Why not just keep the H2 ROF and shots to kill for each and balance the other weapons around that? Was anyone really clamoring for a 5 shot kills but with fast rates of fire? Was anyone asking for recoil on the BR to make it bad vs the DMR? If both were simply 4sk, H2 level of rate of fire, and both reticles of the same size both would be balanced against each other and it would come down to mostly preference.
5)Why remove clans and clan matches? Full parties should be playing full parties not groups of randoms. Clan Slayer and Clan BTB would be great ways for full parties to have fun even matches. I simply shouldn’t be going into BTB solo only to play against a full party of people using mics. Its not fair and not fun.
Why remove ranked lists and social lists? Social to relax and for people who don’t like ranks but like gaining in progression rank only. Ranked for people who enjoy ranks. BLAM! Everyone is immediately happy and gets what they want. Why should a player who wants to take it easy and just have fun have to put up with tryhards? Why should a win-focused player have to mindlessly kill people driving around aimlessly on mongeese? Monthly or trimonthly rank degradation when not playing on a rank to stop selling accounts, fixed numbers of wins independent of who you play to get to the next rank prevents people from feeling rank locked, the desire to de-rank, and the desire to make new accounts. If a new account does really well against other new players, boost him 10 levels and if they win again doing well do it again till rank 40 where they now need X amount of wins vs losses to go up to 41. This will stop people from making new accounts just to grief lower leveled players. The point is ranks are easily fixable.
I get that halo needs to change, heck I can understand added AA’s and loadouts for that reason, but the basics are the basics and no one really has ever called for them to be changed. The only reason why there are people who argue the way things were done before is because they were changed despite no calls to change them. So why mess with a formula people love and in the first place have nothing against? All we get from it is a forum and community that bickers over things that people relaly never had an issue with in the first place.
Evolutions like FF, Spops, theater, armory, AA, loadouts etc are all understandable. Some may be contested and players may not liek them but that is debateable. The need to add new features is a pressure many game sequals feel pressured to do so leway can be given. What doesn’t make sense is completely overhauling basic game mechanics and features that no one ever really complained about in the first place. If it isn’t broken, why fix it?
Sadly it is cause they tend to listen to the community.
-I have seen people who complain ehh why do i descope, make a better system. mostly it was just people who got mad who died like some posts that appear now. It’s why it is hard for a developer to truly know what people want, make something different people who liked it then come on forums when they never did and scream for it to change it’s like a endless cycle till you find balance which is hard.
-People used to complain all the time about sprint. Number one post i tended to see.
" I’m in the military i can sprint faster then this dumb crap, i’m a super soldier add sprint."
-DMR has been discussed widely, and the community has tried time and time again to make their own balance it just a matter of true balance takes time. Who knows if they will fix that. I hope but i try not to get my hopes up.
-They have mentioned clans are something they want to add it is just not a priority.
Remember they have deadlines made by Microsoft they have to meet.
-This was more alot of people complained about ranked matches, i know alot of people liked it but alot of people also hated it. It’s the whole you can’t please everything bunch. Personally i didn’t mind it, however whatever people think some people truly hated ranking and social and the problems the ranked playlist had.
> Sadly it is cause they tend to listen to the community.
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> -I have seen people who complain ehh why do i descope, make a better system. mostly it was just people who got mad who died like some posts that appear now. It’s why it is hard for a developer to truly know what people want, make something different people who liked it then come on forums when they never did and scream for it to change it’s like a endless cycle till you find balance which is hard.
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> -People used to complain all the time about sprint. Number one post i tended to see.
> " I’m in the military i can sprint faster then this dumb crap, i’m a super soldier add sprint."
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> -DMR has been discussed widely, and the community has tried time and time again to make their own balance it just a matter of true balance takes time. Who knows if they will fix that. I hope but i try not to get my hopes up.
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> -They have mentioned clans are something they want to add it is just not a priority.
> Remember they have deadlines made by Microsoft they have to meet.
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> -This was more alot of people complained about ranked matches, i know alot of people liked it but alot of people also hated it. It’s the whole you can’t please everything bunch. Personally i didn’t mind it, however whatever people think some people truly hated ranking and social and the problems the ranked playlist had.
Honestly I have never seen someone complaining about descoping, thats a new one for me.
Sprint could have been added just so that naturally a spartan moves fast and looks liek he is sprinting but can still shoot. 120 or 110 movement would do this. I just dont see why we need a button to do so.
The DMR has already been in Halo, its called Halo 2, since the H2 BR shot counted as either hit or miss, just like the DMR and unlike the H3 and H4 BR. Just keep the H2 ROF, reticle size, and shots to Kill for both weapons. The research for these weapons has been done already. H2 was a great success. Why are we focusing on solved issues instead of focusing on bringing new elements into the game?
Well people had a right to complain abotu ranks before. But all their complaints are esily solvable as i mentioned. Plus if you dont like ranks, just play social =P
However always remember good things can come from the community
-living dead
-race
However bad things can come too such as all this mess. Personally i try to look at things objectively, i don’t think halo 4 is perfect, but it still is a good game that just has alot of faults. Alot of issues also come from the community but alot of good things come from it too.
Like take for example the community thread about custom games that has 1000 likes. Yes it has 1000 likes but out of millions of people who bought the game that is sort of a minority. SO they must take everything with a grain of salt .cause i mean thats the biggest post so of course they should know to fix those issues. However what about the others that are just small sporadic very discontent posts that get derailed by rage. Personally i hope they fix everything in customs i really do.
Remember people have different opinions just cause you don’t like something doesn’t man they don’t like it too. That’s one thing i don’t think everyone on this forum understands. I know this game has faults and i like constructive criticism
> Lol im not saying i agree with anything.
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> However always remember good things can come from the community
> -living dead
> -race
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> However bad things can come too such as all this mess. Personally i try to look at things objectively, i don’t think halo 4 is perfect, but it still is a good game that just has alot of faults. Alot of issues also come from the community but alot of good things come from it too.
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> Like take for example the community thread about custom games that has 1000 likes. Yes it has 1000 likes but out of millions of people who bought the game that is sort of a minority. SO they must take everything with a grain of salt .cause i mean thats the biggest post so of course they should know to fix those issues. However what about the others that are just small sporadic very discontent posts that get derailed by rage. Personally i hope they fix everything in customs i really do.
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> Remember people have different opinions just cause you don’t like something doesn’t man they don’t like it too. That’s one thing i don’t think everyone on this forum understands. I know this game has faults and i like constructive criticism
Oh no doubt good things can come from the community, I dotn think I ever said that the community was to blame for anything. Merely that now the community bickers amongst itself over preferences to changes which were never really asked for or even needed. What I meant is that many changes in reach and H4 were never asked for, didnt really add much if anything to the game, and were mostly just sources of contention.
Well the Custom games situation in H4 is exactly what I am talking about. Its removing from halo something no one ever had a problem with and in fact many loved. Halo sequels should build upon what was laid down in the trilogy. Halo 3 built upon H2 and removed very little and look at the success it had. 343 should be focusing on building halo up, not wasteing time tweaking features hardly anyone had issues with.
Who really complained about getting descoped? Hardly anyone. All of that is time taken away from other things and look at what we got, bad custom game options.
the truly ‘brilliant’ developer will make an FPS similar to Halo CE/2/3 and completely friggin OWN -Yoink!- and Activision is when I will have the last laugh.
Problem isn’t necessarily movement. It’s movement acceleration.
With a fast movement, it can get pretty hard to control yourself.
But with a fast movement acceleration, you can become fast enough to dodge some of the fastest projectiles while still maintaining control. If Master Chief had a faster acceleration in Halo 2, the campaign would be a joke because the enemies would have trouble even landing a hit on him.
Field of View (FoV) also has a factor in movement.
pokemon - addition of new pokemon that don’t really affect gameplay. only one drastic change was ever made and it is generally considered to be a better update. IVs and EVs
zelda - this game is really true to its core. the developers refuse to add co-op and multiplayer because they want to stick true to what has always worked and what the fans love.
Games that have lost popularity:
Smash brothers - lets face it, at your college dorms you always play SSB instead of SSBM/B. Just like halo developers added in lots of extra crap that many people did not like.
Resident evil
Final fantasy has its ups and downs, mostly downs
GTA - maybe but haven’t really done research on this.
Wow/runescape/other MMORPGS - not really a series but tend to grow more and more garbage with each update.
Not even God could make a map where jetpacks flow smoothly so I doubt 343 can.
and to a person above me. 1000 likes on a forum that contains how many UU’s per day?
Why doesn’t 343 make a poll saying “do you want us to have all the old custom game options” when we start up the damn game. Even though I’m sure 343 knows the problem exists, wants to fix it, but don’t know how. IT would be nice to know if they would update us once in a while. 1 week update with 3 sentences isn’t too much to ask is it?
> lets look at popular games that have series
> pokemon - addition of new pokemon that don’t really affect gameplay. only one drastic change was ever made and it is generally considered to be a better update. IVs and EVs
No. Individual Values and Effort Valuess were always in Pokemon. The bigger changes made to Pokemon were
1:Special being split into Special Attack and Special Defense
2:When moves changed from types dictating which stat they go by (for example, fire and grass being special, rock and steel being physical) to physical and special based on the move.
3:Breeding.
> but it can be halo 3 over and over again. and i would keep buying it!
> just like CoD fans keep buying CoD games because that is what they enjoy
Im not even talking about keeping everything the same. I get that new stuff needs to be added AAs, loadouts etc.
What doesnt need to be changed though is the foundation its all built on, essentially Halo 2 online MP.
descoping, not being able to pick up killed peoples grenades, weapons spawning at fixed point on the map at fixed times. These are all things changed for essentially no reason.
Ranks were also never asked to be removed, rather the exploits fixed and the system more fluid.
