If I see anything that I and many others consider “Un-Halo” in the trailer or any footage of halo 6, i will not be buying it. I truly believe halo 5 is a solid game, but it isn’t a good halo game, intact its a pretty -Yoink- halo game. original art design, music, gameplay style need to come back if halo has any chance of being an FPS powerhouse. with the xbox community getting bigger and bigger this is the perfect time to show the new generation just how great halo can be, like in the good old days,by fixing a few tweaks in the original trilogy and adding some of the good ideas 343 has implemented into halo (Detailed forge, custom game browser etc) they could seriously make a game worthy of the halo title. Removal of sprint and spartan abilities would be the most important step, reverting halo back into a 3 “level” shooter. melee gun and grenades. Ranking system must be better, req packs must go and armour unlocks must be a challenge, either doing a mission on legendary, or finding the skulls, or even to save up credits like in reach. Campaign, obviously needs ALOT of work, but it isn’t impossible. i still have hope halo can become the FPS but the only way this is possible is taking a step outside of the current “trendy” gameplay mechanics and reverting back to the good ole’ gameplay/visual/sound style. if it aint broke don’t fix it. please make halo great again 343.
This is a little subjective. What you may think isn’t living up to Halo Title, other’s don’t. What you may think is “un-Halo” others don’t. If you don’t want to buy the game, that is fine. No one will force you. But it is your opinion and your choice only. I for one, feel like going in with an open mind. I want to play the game and see first hand if I like it or not. So I’ll be for sure buying it.
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> This is a little subjective. What you may think isn’t living up to Halo Title, other’s don’t. What you may think is “un-Halo” others don’t. If you don’t want to buy the game, that is fine. No one will force you. But it is your opinion and your choice only. I for one, feel like going in with an open mind. I want to play the game and see first hand if I like it or not. So I’ll be for sure buying it.
Yes, I would agree and add that it’s more than “a little” subjective.
The OP’s post sounds very nostalgic for Halo 3. Those that are fond of Bungie’s game mechanics, referred to as “the good old days” by the OP, need to understand that what was good then isn’t as good now. Things have changed and that’s difficult to accept - I know because I am also from the time of Halo: CE and have grown with Halo over the last 15 years. I don’t think the generation of young children and adults that are experiencing Halo for the first time with Halo 4 and Halo 5 would be as excited over playing Bungie’s Halo. I think the gameplay would feel awfully slow in comparison if you weren’t there to experience the original Halo’s first hand. Those days are gone and it is a history that we can be thankful for having the opportunity to experience, but the times have changed.
I think people feed in to all the “343 is bad” disinformation out there too easily. And there is plenty of it from all around, so I understand where these opinions come from. But people need to understand that video games across the entire spectrum, not just Halo, are focused on continuous evolution and building upon the previous history. That means allowing their production teams to be creative and find new ways to engage their fan base. Because let’s be honest, if every Halo game was always like Halo 3 and they never implemented any new game mechanics or modes, the Halo franchise would be pretty dull. In fact, we probably wouldn’t look back at Halo 3 so fondly either as it wouldn’t have been any sort of special experience if it was the same as everything else. You’d always know what you’d be getting and you’d never have a reason to be excited in anticipation of something new or original. The future is complicated, and for that reason they won’t revert back to the days when game standards were simpler - because they aren’t anymore.
The more I hear about the contrast between past v. present and Bungie v. 343, the more I believe that the source of the community’s frustration isn’t so much with 343 as it is the changing of the fan base. As the OP mentioned, we recognize that there is a new generation filtering into the Halo community and we are resistant to that. Change is the most difficult thing to accept in life, and when we relate that to the Halo franchise that we are so nostalgic and fond of we tend to fight this change with a call to go back to the “old”. What we need is to try and make this generational shift in the community transition as smoothly as possible, because I feel that this is where a fair majority of our in-fighting stems from. Those that have been with Halo from the beginning and have been the foundation of the community need to support the next generation and look forward to sharing future experiences with them. And in return, we can share the classic Halo experiences and make sure that they aren’t forgotten. It’s a ‘changing of the guard’ sort-of-speak, and as much as we resist, it’s still happening - it’s up to us how easy or difficult this change occurs. That doesn’t mean we let go of our love for Halo, it means that we let our love grow with the franchise and support the community in the process.
As the collective Halo community, we need to start supporting each other as well as 343’s creative freedom and show a little trust in the future. They are an extremely hard-working and talented group of individuals (as seen from 343’s weekly Team Spotlight) that have come together to produce the greatest possible game that they can for our enjoyment. Halo 6 doesn’t need to “live up to” the old Halo title, it needs to define the new Halo during this time of transition.
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> This is a little subjective. What you may think isn’t living up to Halo Title, other’s don’t. What you may think is “un-Halo” others don’t. If you don’t want to buy the game, that is fine. No one will force you. But it is your opinion and your choice only. I for one, feel like going in with an open mind. I want to play the game and see first hand if I like it or not. So I’ll be for sure buying it.
Can we all agree that Halo Monopoly sucks though, because I got ripped off by the manufacturer?
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> Can we all agree that Halo Monopoly sucks though, because I got ripped off by the manufacturer?
Pretty sure that doesn’t relate to this thread, but sorry you got taken (I think that was more for people who love Monopoly and not so much for the Halo fan - maybe both).
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> > This is a little subjective. What you may think isn’t living up to Halo Title, other’s don’t. What you may think is “un-Halo” others don’t. If you don’t want to buy the game, that is fine. No one will force you. But it is your opinion and your choice only. I for one, feel like going in with an open mind. I want to play the game and see first hand if I like it or not. So I’ll be for sure buying it.
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> Can we all agree that Halo Monopoly sucks though, because I got ripped off by the manufacturer?
Haha. I don’t even like Monopoly to begin with, so yes I’ll agree to that. HAHA
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> > > This is a little subjective. What you may think isn’t living up to Halo Title, other’s don’t. What you may think is “un-Halo” others don’t. If you don’t want to buy the game, that is fine. No one will force you. But it is your opinion and your choice only. I for one, feel like going in with an open mind. I want to play the game and see first hand if I like it or not. So I’ll be for sure buying it.
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> > Can we all agree that Halo Monopoly sucks though, because I got ripped off by the manufacturer?
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> Haha. I don’t even like Monopoly to begin with, so yes I’ll agree to that. HAHA
Haha yesss Spaceopoly is way better.
I just got double of one of the pieces, so unless I alter it I can’t play with the max amount of people.
I respect your list of things you consider “un-Halo” and things you consider a must for a successful Halo 6, but I disagree with a lot of it. And therein is the problem. It’s 343’s job to please us both. So I’ll apologize in advance if, in pleasing me, they mess something up for you, especially if it’s something you consider game-breaking. Especially if you end up not buying the game.
I can only observe that the more rigid a definition of Halo you have, the more likely you are to be disappointed, and if you want to set yourself up for disappointment then I can’t stop you.
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> This is a little subjective. What you may think isn’t living up to Halo Title, other’s don’t. What you may think is “un-Halo” others don’t. If you don’t want to buy the game, that is fine. No one will force you. But it is your opinion and your choice only. I for one, feel like going in with an open mind. I want to play the game and see first hand if I like it or not. So I’ll be for sure buying it.
Though it isn’t only me who thinks this. Look at the current population of the halo games, below COD games that came out before it, and a LARGE population drop since halo reach can only mean that the series has taken a turn in the wrong direction. You also look The halo youtubers and their followers agreeing. And now you are seeing 343 add in the traditional armour pieces and weapons. It is what the people want and that’s fact with plenty of evidence to back that up, halo 5 is a good game but lacking in the halo department a series it isn’t very unique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l5f-80LCr0
watch this, a video that inspired me to write this.
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> > This is a little subjective. What you may think isn’t living up to Halo Title, other’s don’t. What you may think is “un-Halo” others don’t. If you don’t want to buy the game, that is fine. No one will force you. But it is your opinion and your choice only. I for one, feel like going in with an open mind. I want to play the game and see first hand if I like it or not. So I’ll be for sure buying it.
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> Yes, I would agree and add that it’s more than “a little” subjective.
> The OP’s post sounds very nostalgic for Halo 3. Those that are fond of Bungie’s game mechanics, referred to as “the good old days” by the OP, need to understand that what was good then isn’t as good now. Things have changed and that’s difficult to accept - I know because I am also from the time of Halo: CE and have grown with Halo over the last 15 years. I don’t think the generation of young children and adults that are experiencing Halo for the first time with Halo 4 and Halo 5 would be as excited over playing Bungie’s Halo. I think the gameplay would feel awfully slow in comparison if you weren’t there to experience the original Halo’s first hand. Those days are gone and it is a history that we can be thankful for having the opportunity to experience, but the times have changed.
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> I think people feed in to all the “343 is bad” disinformation out there too easily. And there is plenty of it from all around, so I understand where these opinions come from. But people need to understand that video games across the entire spectrum, not just Halo, are focused on continuous evolution and building upon the previous history. That means allowing their production teams to be creative and find new ways to engage their fan base. Because let’s be honest, if every Halo game was always like Halo 3 and they never implemented any new game mechanics or modes, the Halo franchise would be pretty dull. In fact, we probably wouldn’t look back at Halo 3 so fondly either as it wouldn’t have been any sort of special experience if it was the same as everything else. You’d always know what you’d be getting and you’d never have a reason to be excited in anticipation of something new or original. The future is complicated, and for that reason they won’t revert back to the days when game standards were simpler - because they aren’t anymore.
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> The more I hear about the contrast between past v. present and Bungie v. 343, the more I believe that the source of the community’s frustration isn’t so much with 343 as it is the changing of the fan base. As the OP mentioned, we recognize that there is a new generation filtering into the Halo community and we are resistant to that. Change is the most difficult thing to accept in life, and when we relate that to the Halo franchise that we are so nostalgic and fond of we tend to fight this change with a call to go back to the “old”. We need to try and make this generational shift in the community transition smoothly, because I feel that this is where a fair majority of our in-fighting stems from. Those that have been with Halo from the beginning and have been the foundation of the community need to support the next generation and look forward to sharing future experiences with them. And in return, we can share the classic Halo experiences and make sure that they aren’t forgotten. It’s a changing of the guard sort-of-speak, and as much as we resist it’s still happening - it’s up to us how easy or difficult this change occurs. That doesn’t mean we let go of our love for Halo, it means that we let our love grow with the franchise and support the community in the process.
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> As the collective Halo community, we need to start supporting each other as well as 343’s creative freedom and show a little trust in the future. They are an extremely hard-working and talented group of individuals (scroll for 343’s Team Spotlight) that have come together to produce the greatest possible game that they can for our enjoyment. Halo 6 doesn’t need to “live up to” the old Halo title, it needs to define the new Halo during this time of transition.
i do agree with these ;points but there is nothing wrong with refining the classic halo gameplay, which halo 1-3 did quite well, you also need to look on the competitive scae, yeah there is competitive halo but its nothing like it was back in halo 2, i mean it just sort of died out, and thats because halo lost what made it so competitive, as i have said halo 4-5 are great games but they just don’t feel remotely like halo, if the title didn’t say halo i would never have bought, same with thousands of other people,its almost like putting guns in the elder scrolls, just changing it rather then adding to it.
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> I respect your list of things you consider “un-Halo” and things you consider a must for a successful Halo 6, but I disagree with a lot of it. And therein is the problem. It’s 343’s job to please us both. So I’ll apologize in advance if, in pleasing me, they mess something up for you, especially if it’s something you consider game-breaking. Especially if you end up not buying the game.
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> I can only observe that the more rigid a definition of Halo you have, the more likely you are to be disappointed, and if you want to set yourself up for disappointment then I can’t stop you.
Though i am still playing halo 2-3 and enjoying my time on it a lot more then i did in halo 5 (minus custom games and forge) despite there being no point in me doing so as there is no armour unlocks, ranks (which people care about) i just play, and have fun.
After growing up with Halo, I can’t say I’ll be buying H6. H5 has been a bad experience for me. There are things I just can’t do in H5 that I can do in all other Halo games. Above all is simple thing of being able to use the AR or other automatics without windmilling. Dropouts, lag, spawning, ranking, matchmaking, campaign, quitters, playlists, split-screen, MT, coring, the list goes on.
All the Halo games had things to complain about but only H5 made me completely disinterested in playing 90% of the playlists and not wanting to complete campaign.
H6? I just don’t know.
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> This is a little subjective. What you may think isn’t living up to Halo Title, other’s don’t. What you may think is “un-Halo” others don’t. If you don’t want to buy the game, that is fine. No one will force you. But it is your opinion and your choice only. I for one, feel like going in with an open mind. I want to play the game and see first hand if I like it or not. So I’ll be for sure buying it.
Same for me. Halo is Halo and it deserves a chance.
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> > This is a little subjective. What you may think isn’t living up to Halo Title, other’s don’t. What you may think is “un-Halo” others don’t. If you don’t want to buy the game, that is fine. No one will force you. But it is your opinion and your choice only. I for one, feel like going in with an open mind. I want to play the game and see first hand if I like it or not. So I’ll be for sure buying it.
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> Same for me. Halo is Halo and it deserves a chance.
I’ve given the “new” halo 2 chances already, and its up to a trailer and footage to whether or not i give it three chances. I just hope to god they do a good job and bring halo back to the top, though it looks bleak.
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> > > This is a little subjective. What you may think isn’t living up to Halo Title, other’s don’t. What you may think is “un-Halo” others don’t. If you don’t want to buy the game, that is fine. No one will force you. But it is your opinion and your choice only. I for one, feel like going in with an open mind. I want to play the game and see first hand if I like it or not. So I’ll be for sure buying it.
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> > Same for me. Halo is Halo and it deserves a chance.
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> I’ve given the “new” halo 2 chances already, and its up to a trailer and footage to whether or not i give it three chances. I just hope to god they do a good job and bring halo back to the top, though it looks bleak.
For the greater good, so am I.
Halo 6 needs to be a military sci fi shooter like every Halo game up until Halo 4 when it became very cartoony fantasy like. This is one of the main reasons Halo is not as big as it used to be, it has completely lost touch with the original feel. I just wish 343i could take note that most people arent liking this super hero type of story and make the next game feel like a true clash of militaries on a galactic scale.
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> Halo 6 needs to be a military sci fi shooter like every Halo game up until Halo 4 when it became very cartoony fantasy like. This is one of the main reasons Halo is not as big as it used to be, it has completely lost touch with the original feel. I just wish 343i could take note that most people arent liking this super hero type of story and make the next game feel like a true clash of militaries on a galactic scale.
AGREED. Thank you 100%
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> If I see anything that I and many others consider “Un-Halo” in the trailer or any footage of halo 6, i will not be buying it.
Keep in mind that appearances can be deceiving and many times what’s seen in a game trailer isn’t what the actual game is like.
Either way, I’m going to stay hopeful for Halo 6. 343i made a great campaign and story in Halo 4 and they made an amazing multiplayer experience in Halo 5. Put those together - add Playable Elites, Split-Screen, AI’s in Forge, upgrade Armor Customization, etc. - and the game will be solid.
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> Halo 6 needs to be a military sci fi shooter like every Halo game up until Halo 4 when it became very cartoony fantasy like. This is one of the main reasons Halo is not as big as it used to be, it has completely lost touch with the original feel. I just wish 343i could take note that most people arent liking this super hero type of story and make the next game feel like a true clash of militaries on a galactic scale.
I agree (but I don’t think that 343i’s Halo has completely lost touch with the original feel).
In Halo 5’s campaign you never actually work with marines (or any UNSC personnel) and the weapon skins are totally cartoony and childish (pizza, french fries, Boomco, etc.).
The opening of Halo 5, as badass as it is, feels like it’s straight out of an Avengers movie. They’re not really working together and being tactical like a fireteam should, IMO, they’re just running and jumping around the battlefield while they shoot and smash things.
The marines don’t even look like they’re military, they look like they’re in their Nerf uniforms instead of looking like real military like Halo 2 Anniversary’s marines.
I really hope that 343i changes the art style to make it feel and look more realistic, and also put more emphasis on the strength of the human military like Halo’s 2 and 3.
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> > If I see anything that I and many others consider “Un-Halo” in the trailer or any footage of halo 6, i will not be buying it.
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> Keep in mind that appearances can be deceiving and many times what’s seen in a game trailer isn’t what the actual game is like.
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> Either way, I’m going to stay hopeful for Halo 6. 343i made a great campaign and story in Halo 4 and they made an amazing multiplayer experience in Halo 5. Put those together - add Playable Elites, Split-Screen, AI’s in Forge, upgrade Armor Customization, etc. - and the game will be solid.
I’m very aware of that. It’s Just I love halo, it’s really the only game I really enjoy, and to see it not at the top really gets me annoyed. Mostly the biggest things I want 343 to change is the military sci-fi film which someone in the comments pointed out, the art and sound design, the original halo music, don’t even change it, and the removal of Spartan abilities and sprint. (I know sprint is a very controversial topic, but I cant stand it).