Microtransactions in halo 5 aren’t evil. I’m sure when I said the word microtransactions, many of you probably looked at it with disgust. I agree that they can be handled in many evil ways, however, the way 343 is doing them is not wrong. Note: I’m not defending the req system, just the microtransactions.
You don’t have to buy them!!! The people who are impatient and want the thrill of gambling can buy them, but they won’t affect you. You can still earn everything in-game.
“But Arc, what if a team of exact same level and skill face off against each other, but one team has all the legendary reqs because they bought the microtransactions and the other has all the regular reqs because they didn’t?” I’m glad you asked random bystander! To start off, it will almost never happen because of the odds. Secondly, the team with less powerful reqs would be able to call their reqs in faster and more frequently because it’s a lower level. The team with all the legendary reqs would have to wait to use them, and couldn’t use them as often. So really, the outcome is just the flip of a coin.
The microtransactions also fund our DLC. If we didn’t have microtransactions, we’d have a split community (more split than it is right now lol). You don’t have to spend a dime for DLC if you didn’t want to. The people that don’t want to grind have the fortune of paying that for ourselves.
“But Arc, the DLC was already planned, so we would’ve gotten it anyways even if we didn’t spend money.” You are correct, but have you thought of the future? They would’ve lost money if no one bought the packs, and after the 8 months of updates, they wouldn’t give us any more updates to halo 5 and we would never have free DLC again.
So tell me, what is really wrong with the microtransactions?
TLDR: Don’t be lazy and read it.
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> Microtransactions in halo 5 aren’t evil. I’m sure when I said the word microtransactions, many of you probably looked at it with disgust. I agree that they can be handled in many evil ways, however, the way 343 is doing them is not wrong. Note: I’m not defending the req system, just the microtransactions.
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> You don’t have to buy them!!! The people who are impatient and want the thrill of gambling can buy them, but they won’t affect you. You can still earn everything in-game.
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> “But Arc, what if a team of exact same level and skill face off against each other, but one team has all the legendary reqs because they bought the microtransactions and the other has all the regular reqs because they didn’t?” I’m glad you asked random bystander! To start off, it will almost never happen because of the odds. Secondly, the team with less powerful reqs would be able to call their reqs in faster and more frequently because it’s a lower level. The team with all the legendary reqs would have to wait to use them, and couldn’t use them as often. So really, the outcome is just the flip of a coin.
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> The microtransactions also fund our DLC. If we didn’t have microtransactions, we’d have a split community (more split than it is right now lol). You don’t have to spend a dime for DLC if you didn’t want to. The people that don’t want to grind have the fortune of paying that for ourselves.
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> “But Arc, the DLC was already planned, so we would’ve gotten it anyways even if we didn’t spend money.” You are correct, but have you thought of the future? They would’ve lost money if no one bought the packs, and after the 8 months of updates, they wouldn’t give us any more updates to halo 5 and we would never have free DLC again.
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> So tell me, what is really wrong with the microtransactions?
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> TLDR: Don’t be lazy and read it.
I was considering posting this. The req system has done a lot for us. Shame people assume its evil
You say it doesn’t affect anything, but it does. If I want to unlock content, I only have two ways. I either grind the game for Points to invest in REQ Packs and hope that anything I might want is given by the blessing of RNG or I pay and face the same result. However, the former takes considerably longer than just using real money. That’s just how microtransactions work. They offer the idea of freedom to buy or not, but they’ll make people not spending cash wait in the hopes they’ll get impatient and drop cash. I’m not a fan of that kind of manipulation being directed towards me even if it’s not massively exploitative. The fact the recent Gold Pack discounts only offered a cash discount and not a Point discount to match shows that MS and 343 offering benefits towards those who use real money.
But you know, I’m fine with weapons, boosts, vehicles, armor mods, and all that other stuff being in Packs for modes like Warzone. Hell, I’ll even say having everything else like armor and emblems and all that junk in Packs is fine. Just offer an alternate way through reasonable in-game challenges to unlock armor, visors, emblems, basically the cosmetic stuff. You could say that won’t give MS or 343 money so why would they do that, but REQ Points don’t give them money either and yet they still make a killing.
I like the current system, to be honest. It’s a good balance in regards to the question “Do you have time or do you have money?”
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> You say it doesn’t affect anything, but it does. If I want to unlock content, I only have two ways. I either grind the game for Points to invest in REQ Packs and hope that anything I might want is given by the blessing of RNG or I pay and face the same result. However, the former takes considerably longer than just using real money. That’s just how microtransactions work. They offer the idea of freedom to buy or not, but they’ll make people not spending cash wait in the hopes they’ll get impatient and drop cash. I’m not a fan of that kind of manipulation being directed towards me even if it’s not massively exploitative. The fact the recent Gold Pack discounts only offered a cash discount and not a Point discount to match shows that MS and 343 offering benefits towards those who use real money.
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> But you know, I’m fine with weapons, boosts, vehicles, armor mods, and all that other stuff being in Packs for modes like Warzone. Hell, I’ll even say having everything else like armor and emblems and all that junk in Packs is fine. Just offer an alternate way through reasonable in-game challenges to unlock armor, visors, emblems, basically the cosmetic stuff. You could say that won’t give MS or 343 money so why would they do that, but REQ Points don’t give them money either and yet they still make a killing.
This ^
Meh, businesses are in it to make money.
One of my concerns with it was whether people would still be playing the game once they exhausted the system. People tend to play games now for the reward systems, not as much for the game itself. They exhaust the system, then toss the game aside for something else. Fortunately, the people I know and have seen who have unlocked everything still play the game and I think for a good reason I haven’t thought of: they put all of this work into getting this stuff, so the game has been an investment of their time and now they’ve earned it, so they get to finally enjoy the fruits of their labor … even though they’re doing all the same things, I guess. It’s still a nice feeling to play the game whilst accomplished.
The other thing is, when I was seeing threads saying “what do you guys do to make the grind go more smoothly?” it worried me because the poster was essentially saying “I want REQ packs, I get them by playing Halo, it’s boring, how to make it easier?” The REQ system has become a stick and carrot means of getting people to play that we never really needed before. Playing a Slayer match is a reward, not the REQ points. Winning is a reward, not the daily win pack. But that really only applies to people who play solely for the unlocks. And I’m sure they’re in the minority. The unlocks are just a perk.
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> You say it doesn’t affect anything, but it does. If I want to unlock content, I only have two ways. I either grind the game for Points to invest in REQ Packs and hope that anything I might want is given by the blessing of RNG or I pay and face the same result. However, the former takes considerably longer than just using real money. That’s just how microtransactions work. They offer the idea of freedom to buy or not, but they’ll make people not spending cash wait in the hopes they’ll get impatient and drop cash. I’m not a fan of that kind of manipulation being directed towards me even if it’s not massively exploitative. The fact the recent Gold Pack discounts only offered a cash discount and not a Point discount to match shows that MS and 343 offering benefits towards those who use real money.
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> But you know, I’m fine with weapons, boosts, vehicles, armor mods, and all that other stuff being in Packs for modes like Warzone. Hell, I’ll even say having everything else like armor and emblems and all that junk in Packs is fine. Just offer an alternate way through reasonable in-game challenges to unlock armor, visors, emblems, basically the cosmetic stuff. You could say that won’t give MS or 343 money so why would they do that, but REQ Points don’t give them money either and yet they still make a killing.
I did say that I wasn’t defending the req system, but the microtransactions themselves. It’s not manipulating. You can grind or you can waste money and buy it. Yes, buying it is tempting, but you can get everything through just playing the game.
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> > You say it doesn’t affect anything, but it does. If I want to unlock content, I only have two ways. I either grind the game for Points to invest in REQ Packs and hope that anything I might want is given by the blessing of RNG or I pay and face the same result. However, the former takes considerably longer than just using real money. That’s just how microtransactions work. They offer the idea of freedom to buy or not, but they’ll make people not spending cash wait in the hopes they’ll get impatient and drop cash. I’m not a fan of that kind of manipulation being directed towards me even if it’s not massively exploitative. The fact the recent Gold Pack discounts only offered a cash discount and not a Point discount to match shows that MS and 343 offering benefits towards those who use real money.
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> > But you know, I’m fine with weapons, boosts, vehicles, armor mods, and all that other stuff being in Packs for modes like Warzone. Hell, I’ll even say having everything else like armor and emblems and all that junk in Packs is fine. Just offer an alternate way through reasonable in-game challenges to unlock armor, visors, emblems, basically the cosmetic stuff. You could say that won’t give MS or 343 money so why would they do that, but REQ Points don’t give them money either and yet they still make a killing.
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> I did say that I wasn’t defending the req system, but the microtransactions themselves. It’s not manipulating. You can grind or you can waste money and buy it. Yes, buying it is tempting, but you can get everything through just playing the game.
I never accused you of defending the REQ system, but the REQ system is what we have and just makes a convenient frame of reference. Sure, I could get everything just by playing and grinding, but that isn’t fun. That isn’t enjoyable to me and partly why I barely played Halo 5 until Warzone Firefight launched. That still doesn’t mean there should only be a two street solution of grinding or wasting money. As it stands, MS and 343 have incentivized buying their REQ Packs and Bundles with discounts and the options available themselves. Anybody who grinds can only get the three base Packs or wait until a temporary Pack comes out for 80,000 Points and grind some more. It’s pretty manipulating even if you don’t want to admit it.
I haven’t spent any money on microtransactions and I never feel at a disadvantage. My wife just started playing the MP when WZFF came out. She’s a big Halo fan, she’s just not that into PvP. But she does perfectly fine in WZFF. She already had plenty of weapons and vehicles and she doesn’t even get to play that much because she’s in medical school.
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> One of my concerns with it was whether people would still be playing the game once they exhausted the system. People tend to play games now for the reward systems, not as much for the game itself. They exhaust the system, then toss the game aside for something else. Fortunately, the people I know and have seen who have unlocked everything still play the game and I think for a good reason I haven’t thought of: they put all of this work into getting this stuff, so the game has been an investment of their time and now they’ve earned it, so they get to finally enjoy the fruits of their labor … even though they’re doing all the same things, I guess. It’s still a nice feeling to play the game whilst accomplished.
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> The other thing is, when I was seeing threads saying “what do you guys do to make the grind go more smoothly?” it worried me because the poster was essentially saying “I want REQ packs, I get them by playing Halo, it’s boring, how to make it easier?” The REQ system has become a stick and carrot means of getting people to play that we never really needed before. Playing a Slayer match is a reward, not the REQ points. Winning is a reward, not the daily win pack. But that really only applies to people who play solely for the unlocks. And I’m sure they’re in the minority. The unlocks are just a perk.
Its not really a stick and carrot situation. Stick and carrot means there’s punishment and rewards. There’s no punishment for not playing regularly or on a daily basis, only rewards.
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> > > You say it doesn’t affect anything, but it does. If I want to unlock content, I only have two ways. I either grind the game for Points to invest in REQ Packs and hope that anything I might want is given by the blessing of RNG or I pay and face the same result. However, the former takes considerably longer than just using real money. That’s just how microtransactions work. They offer the idea of freedom to buy or not, but they’ll make people not spending cash wait in the hopes they’ll get impatient and drop cash. I’m not a fan of that kind of manipulation being directed towards me even if it’s not massively exploitative. The fact the recent Gold Pack discounts only offered a cash discount and not a Point discount to match shows that MS and 343 offering benefits towards those who use real money.
> > >
> > > But you know, I’m fine with weapons, boosts, vehicles, armor mods, and all that other stuff being in Packs for modes like Warzone. Hell, I’ll even say having everything else like armor and emblems and all that junk in Packs is fine. Just offer an alternate way through reasonable in-game challenges to unlock armor, visors, emblems, basically the cosmetic stuff. You could say that won’t give MS or 343 money so why would they do that, but REQ Points don’t give them money either and yet they still make a killing.
> >
> >
> > I did say that I wasn’t defending the req system, but the microtransactions themselves. It’s not manipulating. You can grind or you can waste money and buy it. Yes, buying it is tempting, but you can get everything through just playing the game.
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> I never accused you of defending the REQ system, but the REQ system is what we have and just makes a convenient frame of reference. Sure, I could get everything just by playing and grinding, but that isn’t fun. That isn’t enjoyable to me and partly why I barely played Halo 5 until Warzone Firefight launched. That still doesn’t mean there should only be a two street solution of grinding or wasting money. As it stands, MS and 343 have incentivized buying their REQ Packs and Bundles with discounts and the options available themselves. Anybody who grinds can only get the three base Packs or wait until a temporary Pack comes out for 80,000 Points and grind some more. It’s pretty manipulating even if you don’t want to admit it.
Back in the halo 2 days, people didn’t play because of the unlock system, they played because of the game. I agree that Microsoft shouldn’t have made the discount only available for people use $$, but that doesn’t mean that the microtransactions are bad. The thing is, it doesn’t matter if you buy or not. If they “manipulate” you to buy it, it doesn’t affect (effect?) anyone else, just you. At the end of the day, there are way more pros than cons.
No offense, but you don’t convince me they MUST stay. You justify their existence from a certain angle (right or wrong) but there’s really nothing to indicate they are a necessity.
Warzone is indeed pay to win, rather more REQs you have you have clear advantage over others. So you are saying normal and ONI are the same. When standard Ghost battle against Ultra Ghost, who would win? Obviously the Ultra Ghost, the REQs provide game breaking over powered things. There are REQs cost less energy than others, because they are less effective.
Halo never had monthly free updates before and it was introduced to Halo 5 just like REQs. Okay, you were pleased by the free stuffs and looking forward to see more of them. However that doesn’t mean we deserve free contents via REQ system in future and REQ system is only way to provide free contents. Nobody thought 343 was going to introduce micro-transaction to the game. Now nobody is concerned about what might 343 do in future. Perhaps, Halo 6 could bring back paid DLC stuff along with REQ system. What are you going to say then?
343 has a huge company backing them, Microsoft. They don’t need financial support from us, they just want more profit from the game they already made. If you are going to still defend micro-transaction, okay, it’s you business.
Oh my god I called it…
Eck… it’s quite sad honestly 
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> > > > You say it doesn’t affect anything, but it does. If I want to unlock content, I only have two ways. I either grind the game for Points to invest in REQ Packs and hope that anything I might want is given by the blessing of RNG or I pay and face the same result. However, the former takes considerably longer than just using real money. That’s just how microtransactions work. They offer the idea of freedom to buy or not, but they’ll make people not spending cash wait in the hopes they’ll get impatient and drop cash. I’m not a fan of that kind of manipulation being directed towards me even if it’s not massively exploitative. The fact the recent Gold Pack discounts only offered a cash discount and not a Point discount to match shows that MS and 343 offering benefits towards those who use real money.
> > > >
> > > > But you know, I’m fine with weapons, boosts, vehicles, armor mods, and all that other stuff being in Packs for modes like Warzone. Hell, I’ll even say having everything else like armor and emblems and all that junk in Packs is fine. Just offer an alternate way through reasonable in-game challenges to unlock armor, visors, emblems, basically the cosmetic stuff. You could say that won’t give MS or 343 money so why would they do that, but REQ Points don’t give them money either and yet they still make a killing.
> > >
> > >
> > > I did say that I wasn’t defending the req system, but the microtransactions themselves. It’s not manipulating. You can grind or you can waste money and buy it. Yes, buying it is tempting, but you can get everything through just playing the game.
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> >
> > I never accused you of defending the REQ system, but the REQ system is what we have and just makes a convenient frame of reference. Sure, I could get everything just by playing and grinding, but that isn’t fun. That isn’t enjoyable to me and partly why I barely played Halo 5 until Warzone Firefight launched. That still doesn’t mean there should only be a two street solution of grinding or wasting money. As it stands, MS and 343 have incentivized buying their REQ Packs and Bundles with discounts and the options available themselves. Anybody who grinds can only get the three base Packs or wait until a temporary Pack comes out for 80,000 Points and grind some more. It’s pretty manipulating even if you don’t want to admit it.
>
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> Back in the halo 2 days, people didn’t play because of the unlock system, they played because of the game. I agree that Microsoft shouldn’t have made the discount only available for people use $$, but that doesn’t mean that the microtransactions are bad. The thing is, it doesn’t matter if you buy or not. If they “manipulate” you to buy it, it doesn’t affect (effect?) anyone else, just you. At the end of the day, there are way more pros than cons.
Yet Halo 5 is a different beast than Halo 2 and you’d be hard-pressed to argue the unlock system hasn’t been a major factor in selling Halo 5 to potential buyers. Nor do I suggest they are necessarily bad here, I’m essentially indifferent now. Nor do they just manipulate me, others have raised that point and just because some don’t doesn’t mean it can just be swiped away. And sure, free content is nice, but then again I’d say even that is flawed with just how much of it was recycled.
Worst tl;dr ever.
I had to actually read it.
Lol, the end is hilarious
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> > > > > You say it doesn’t affect anything, but it does. If I want to unlock content, I only have two ways. I either grind the game for Points to invest in REQ Packs and hope that anything I might want is given by the blessing of RNG or I pay and face the same result. However, the former takes considerably longer than just using real money. That’s just how microtransactions work. They offer the idea of freedom to buy or not, but they’ll make people not spending cash wait in the hopes they’ll get impatient and drop cash. I’m not a fan of that kind of manipulation being directed towards me even if it’s not massively exploitative. The fact the recent Gold Pack discounts only offered a cash discount and not a Point discount to match shows that MS and 343 offering benefits towards those who use real money.
> > > > >
> > > > > But you know, I’m fine with weapons, boosts, vehicles, armor mods, and all that other stuff being in Packs for modes like Warzone. Hell, I’ll even say having everything else like armor and emblems and all that junk in Packs is fine. Just offer an alternate way through reasonable in-game challenges to unlock armor, visors, emblems, basically the cosmetic stuff. You could say that won’t give MS or 343 money so why would they do that, but REQ Points don’t give them money either and yet they still make a killing.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I did say that I wasn’t defending the req system, but the microtransactions themselves. It’s not manipulating. You can grind or you can waste money and buy it. Yes, buying it is tempting, but you can get everything through just playing the game.
> > >
> > >
> > > I never accused you of defending the REQ system, but the REQ system is what we have and just makes a convenient frame of reference. Sure, I could get everything just by playing and grinding, but that isn’t fun. That isn’t enjoyable to me and partly why I barely played Halo 5 until Warzone Firefight launched. That still doesn’t mean there should only be a two street solution of grinding or wasting money. As it stands, MS and 343 have incentivized buying their REQ Packs and Bundles with discounts and the options available themselves. Anybody who grinds can only get the three base Packs or wait until a temporary Pack comes out for 80,000 Points and grind some more. It’s pretty manipulating even if you don’t want to admit it.
> >
> >
> > Back in the halo 2 days, people didn’t play because of the unlock system, they played because of the game. I agree that Microsoft shouldn’t have made the discount only available for people use $$, but that doesn’t mean that the microtransactions are bad. The thing is, it doesn’t matter if you buy or not. If they “manipulate” you to buy it, it doesn’t affect (effect?) anyone else, just you. At the end of the day, there are way more pros than cons.
>
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> Yet Halo 5 is a different beast than Halo 2 and you’d be hard-pressed to argue the unlock system hasn’t been a major factor in selling Halo 5 to potential buyers. Nor do I suggest they are necessarily bad here, I’m essentially indifferent now. Nor do they just manipulate me, others have raised that point and just because some don’t doesn’t mean it can just be swiped away. And sure, free content is nice, but then again I’d say even that is flawed with just how much of it was recycled.
This,
They built the game around you spending money on the req packs to injoy the game right.
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> > > > > > You say it doesn’t affect anything, but it does. If I want to unlock content, I only have two ways. I either grind the game for Points to invest in REQ Packs and hope that anything I might want is given by the blessing of RNG or I pay and face the same result. However, the former takes considerably longer than just using real money. That’s just how microtransactions work. They offer the idea of freedom to buy or not, but they’ll make people not spending cash wait in the hopes they’ll get impatient and drop cash. I’m not a fan of that kind of manipulation being directed towards me even if it’s not massively exploitative. The fact the recent Gold Pack discounts only offered a cash discount and not a Point discount to match shows that MS and 343 offering benefits towards those who use real money.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But you know, I’m fine with weapons, boosts, vehicles, armor mods, and all that other stuff being in Packs for modes like Warzone. Hell, I’ll even say having everything else like armor and emblems and all that junk in Packs is fine. Just offer an alternate way through reasonable in-game challenges to unlock armor, visors, emblems, basically the cosmetic stuff. You could say that won’t give MS or 343 money so why would they do that, but REQ Points don’t give them money either and yet they still make a killing.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I did say that I wasn’t defending the req system, but the microtransactions themselves. It’s not manipulating. You can grind or you can waste money and buy it. Yes, buying it is tempting, but you can get everything through just playing the game.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I never accused you of defending the REQ system, but the REQ system is what we have and just makes a convenient frame of reference. Sure, I could get everything just by playing and grinding, but that isn’t fun. That isn’t enjoyable to me and partly why I barely played Halo 5 until Warzone Firefight launched. That still doesn’t mean there should only be a two street solution of grinding or wasting money. As it stands, MS and 343 have incentivized buying their REQ Packs and Bundles with discounts and the options available themselves. Anybody who grinds can only get the three base Packs or wait until a temporary Pack comes out for 80,000 Points and grind some more. It’s pretty manipulating even if you don’t want to admit it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Back in the halo 2 days, people didn’t play because of the unlock system, they played because of the game. I agree that Microsoft shouldn’t have made the discount only available for people use $$, but that doesn’t mean that the microtransactions are bad. The thing is, it doesn’t matter if you buy or not. If they “manipulate” you to buy it, it doesn’t affect (effect?) anyone else, just you. At the end of the day, there are way more pros than cons.
> >
> >
> > Yet Halo 5 is a different beast than Halo 2 and you’d be hard-pressed to argue the unlock system hasn’t been a major factor in selling Halo 5 to potential buyers. Nor do I suggest they are necessarily bad here, I’m essentially indifferent now. Nor do they just manipulate me, others have raised that point and just because some don’t doesn’t mean it can just be swiped away. And sure, free content is nice, but then again I’d say even that is flawed with just how much of it was recycled.
>
>
> This,
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> They built the game around you spending money on the req packs to injoy the game right.
And that is not acceptable as consumer that we had to pay at least $60 or more to just get the game.