Halo 5 will only be sub-par

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Because of it’s community. The community as a whole want’s Halo 5 to be successful over Halo 4. However, that will not happen because of the hostility of a good majortiy in which this community has become. I’ve noticed it since 343 took over Halo back about a year or two. The community is divided, this is true, and the saying you can’t please everyone is also true. However who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who sends death threats to the developers? Who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who is sexist and hypocritical towards Bonnie Ross and possibly over females that can be executive directors because of MCC? The community as a whole, you could say, shapes a franchises fanbase. Though if the community is split 50/50 between praising 343 for Halo 5, and outright disrespecting them for both Halo 5 and MCC, How can a developer have any interaction with their fanbase other then taking up on Twitter?

The community as it stands now, since maybe Halo 4 is filled with Halo fans, Halo fanboys (no disrespect to anyone) People that think fanboys are ruining their favorite franchise, people that think people who like Halo 5 are in the minority and their opinion doesn’t mean a damn thing, and people that like Halo 5 but want to change it in order for it to be a successful game. However feedback wise you have, people who will enjoy Halo 5 regardless, people who enjoy Halo 5 but want to help change mechanics in order to help it be successful, the so called purists who want Halo 5 to be as close to Halo 2/3 as possible, and the rage induced threads that have the attitude of a temper tantrum throwing pre-schooler. How is a AAA+ title supposed to be polished, if when 343 looks at the forums, they are going to say, well ok, these people like the game, these people like the game but want us to change things, these people want us to scrap the entire thing and make it look like a game we just launched 2 months ago, and these people look like they are raging at us because they don’t like that game but aren’t providiing why. That’s what is likely going through the minds of the devs at 343 right now.

I urge you to go to the Advanced Warfare forums, to any platform, and see just how much more better and civilized those forums are compared to this. Also have a good look at this also (Activision | Activision Forums Are Shutting Down) Never have I seen a thread that helps others new to the forums or the community in general look like that. That forum community for a game that maybe was not successful, and likely doesn’t represent the majority of the playerbase for COD, and has been accused for mocking Titanfall and Crysis with certain features, is getting along and very much more interactive with Sledgehammer, then both the MCC and Halo 5 forums right now, and Halo 5’s beta…just ended.

A community, that attacks the community itself from within, whether it’d be opinions, or changes to make Halo 5 successful is only going to make Halo 5 more sub-par then polished because insults about people that praise Halo are the ones killing it, or people who pre-order are allowing 343 to release broken games, only adds to the hostility and breaks down the community, and the game even further. The rage induced threads that bury the constructive feedback whether it’d be negative or positive and don’t explain anything about actually improving the game do the same exact thing. If the community right now, were tasked with making Halo 5, it wouldn’t be released this year, or next year or even 5 years down the road because a community wide arguement would ensue of how to make Halo 5.

Halo 5 can be polished, it can be successful, only with an effort from both sides. But the series will continue to be sub par if a connection cannot be made with 343 to the community if this is how the forum community is with it’s hostility. That factor only serves to drive away the developer from the community and vice versa, and a community that has 0% faith in the ability of the developer to produce a successful game, is the tombstone above Halo’s name.

Long Story Short, Halo 5’s success rides on both the community and 343 as a whole.

EDIT: Thanks goes to alot of posters here in this thread, I wasn’t even expecting this thread to grow but I’m happy it did. This is actually the most constructive thread I’ve seen in a while with people respecting eachother and actually communicating with eachother. Comes to show the community can work as a whole with 343. It’s just the attitude and willingness to do it that will make Halo 5 a success. I’ll try and reply to everyone’s replies tomorrow if I can.

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> Because of it’s community. The community as a whole want’s Halo 5 to be successful over Halo 4. However, that will not happen because of the hostility of a good majortiy in which this community has become. I’ve noticed it since 343 took over Halo back about a year or two. The community is divided, this is true, and the saying you can’t please everyone is also true. However who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who sends death threats to the developers? Who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who is sexist and hypocritical towards Bonnie Ross and possibly over females that can be executive directors because of MCC? The community as a whole, you could say, shapes a franchises fanbase. Though if the community is split 50/50 between praising 343 for Halo 5, and outright disrespecting them for both Halo 5 and MCC, How can a developer have any interaction with their fanbase other then taking up on Twitter?
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> The community as it stands now, since maybe Halo 4 is filled with Halo fans, Halo fanboys (no disrespect to anyone) People that think fanboys are ruining their favorite franchise, people that think people who like Halo 5 are in the minority and their opinion doesn’t mean a damn thing, and people that like Halo 5 but want to change it in order for it to be a successful game. However feedback wise you have, people who will enjoy Halo 5 regardless, people who enjoy Halo 5 but want to help change mechanics in order to help it be successful, the so called purists who want Halo 5 to be as close to Halo 2/3 as possible, and the rage induced threads that have the attitude of a temper tantrum throwing pre-schooler. How is a AAA+ title supposed to be polished, if when 343 looks at the forums, they are going to say, well ok, these people like the game, these people like the game but want us to change things, these people want us to scrap the entire thing and make it look like a game we just launched 2 months ago, and these people look like they are raging at us because they don’t like that game but aren’t providiing why. That’s what is likely going through the minds of the devs at 343 right now.
>
> I urge you to go to the Advanced Warfare forums, to any platform, and see just how much more better and civilized those forums are compared to this. Also have a good look at this also (Activision | Activision Forums Are Shutting Down) Never have I seen a thread that helps others new to the forums or the community in general look like that. That forum community for a game that maybe was not successful, and likely doesn’t represent the majority of the playerbase for COD, and has been accused for mocking Titanfall and Crysis with certain features, is getting along and very much more interactive with Sledgehammer, then both the MCC and Halo 5 forums right now, and Halo 5’s beta…just ended.
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> A community, that attacks the community itself from within, whether it’d be opinions, or changes to make Halo 5 successful is only going to make Halo 5 more sub-par then polished because insults about people that praise Halo are the ones killing it, or people who pre-order are allowing 343 to release broken games, only adds to the hostility and breaks down the community, and the game even further. The rage induced threads that bury the constructive feedback whether it’d be negative or positive and don’t explain anything about actually improving the game do the same exact thing. If the community right now, were tasked with making Halo 5, it wouldn’t be released this year, or next year or even 5 years down the road because a community wide arguement would ensue of how to make Halo 5.
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> Halo 5 can be polished, it can be successful, only with an effort from both sides. But the series will continue to be sub par if a connection cannot be made with 343 to the community if this is how the forum community is with it’s hostility. That factor only serves to drive away the developer from the community and vice versa, and a community that has 0% faith in the ability of the developer to produce a successful game, is the tombstone above Halo’s name.
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> Long Story Short, Halo 5’s success rides on both the community and 343 as a whole.

You can’t blame the consumers, ever. The game doesn’t exist without them. It’s 343’s job to satisfy, and if they don’t, it’s nobody’s fault but their own. They created a big split in the community with Halo 4, the problem was never this bad until they took over Halo, honestly.

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> > Because of it’s community. The community as a whole want’s Halo 5 to be successful over Halo 4. However, that will not happen because of the hostility of a good majortiy in which this community has become. I’ve noticed it since 343 took over Halo back about a year or two. The community is divided, this is true, and the saying you can’t please everyone is also true. However who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who sends death threats to the developers? Who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who is sexist and hypocritical towards Bonnie Ross and possibly over females that can be executive directors because of MCC? The community as a whole, you could say, shapes a franchises fanbase. Though if the community is split 50/50 between praising 343 for Halo 5, and outright disrespecting them for both Halo 5 and MCC, How can a developer have any interaction with their fanbase other then taking up on Twitter?
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> > The community as it stands now, since maybe Halo 4 is filled with Halo fans, Halo fanboys (no disrespect to anyone) People that think fanboys are ruining their favorite franchise, people that think people who like Halo 5 are in the minority and their opinion doesn’t mean a damn thing, and people that like Halo 5 but want to change it in order for it to be a successful game. However feedback wise you have, people who will enjoy Halo 5 regardless, people who enjoy Halo 5 but want to help change mechanics in order to help it be successful, the so called purists who want Halo 5 to be as close to Halo 2/3 as possible, and the rage induced threads that have the attitude of a temper tantrum throwing pre-schooler. How is a AAA+ title supposed to be polished, if when 343 looks at the forums, they are going to say, well ok, these people like the game, these people like the game but want us to change things, these people want us to scrap the entire thing and make it look like a game we just launched 2 months ago, and these people look like they are raging at us because they don’t like that game but aren’t providiing why. That’s what is likely going through the minds of the devs at 343 right now.
> >
> > I urge you to go to the Advanced Warfare forums, to any platform, and see just how much more better and civilized those forums are compared to this. Also have a good look at this also (Activision | Activision Forums Are Shutting Down) Never have I seen a thread that helps others new to the forums or the community in general look like that. That forum community for a game that maybe was not successful, and likely doesn’t represent the majority of the playerbase for COD, and has been accused for mocking Titanfall and Crysis with certain features, is getting along and very much more interactive with Sledgehammer, then both the MCC and Halo 5 forums right now, and Halo 5’s beta…just ended.
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> > A community, that attacks the community itself from within, whether it’d be opinions, or changes to make Halo 5 successful is only going to make Halo 5 more sub-par then polished because insults about people that praise Halo are the ones killing it, or people who pre-order are allowing 343 to release broken games, only adds to the hostility and breaks down the community, and the game even further. The rage induced threads that bury the constructive feedback whether it’d be negative or positive and don’t explain anything about actually improving the game do the same exact thing. If the community right now, were tasked with making Halo 5, it wouldn’t be released this year, or next year or even 5 years down the road because a community wide arguement would ensue of how to make Halo 5.
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> > Halo 5 can be polished, it can be successful, only with an effort from both sides. But the series will continue to be sub par if a connection cannot be made with 343 to the community if this is how the forum community is with it’s hostility. That factor only serves to drive away the developer from the community and vice versa, and a community that has 0% faith in the ability of the developer to produce a successful game, is the tombstone above Halo’s name.
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> > Long Story Short, Halo 5’s success rides on both the community and 343 as a whole.
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> You can’t blame the consumers, ever. The game doesn’t exist without them. It’s 343’s job to satisfy, and if they don’t, it’s nobody’s fault but their own. They created a big split in the community with Halo 4, the problem was never this bad until they took over Halo, honestly.

Actually you can, this forum is a huge example. Yes it’s 343’s job to satisfy but it’s also the community’s job to help them accomplish the goal of a polished game. However the big split did begin with Halo 4, and that’s where the hostility did start and only worsened with MCC because of how broken the game is for some. That carried over to Halo 5. How can the consumers not be blamed with how big the hostility towards 343 currently is over Halo 5’s development? That accomplishes nothing but lost faith and a torn connection between 343 and the community as it stands right now. That is what I’m explaining and I don’t think your quite understanding the point I’m making.

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No matter what 343i will do, half of their community will hate them.

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> > 2533274795440338;1:
> > Because of it’s community. The community as a whole want’s Halo 5 to be successful over Halo 4. However, that will not happen because of the hostility of a good majortiy in which this community has become. I’ve noticed it since 343 took over Halo back about a year or two. The community is divided, this is true, and the saying you can’t please everyone is also true. However who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who sends death threats to the developers? Who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who is sexist and hypocritical towards Bonnie Ross and possibly over females that can be executive directors because of MCC? The community as a whole, you could say, shapes a franchises fanbase. Though if the community is split 50/50 between praising 343 for Halo 5, and outright disrespecting them for both Halo 5 and MCC, How can a developer have any interaction with their fanbase other then taking up on Twitter?
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> > The community as it stands now, since maybe Halo 4 is filled with Halo fans, Halo fanboys (no disrespect to anyone) People that think fanboys are ruining their favorite franchise, people that think people who like Halo 5 are in the minority and their opinion doesn’t mean a damn thing, and people that like Halo 5 but want to change it in order for it to be a successful game. However feedback wise you have, people who will enjoy Halo 5 regardless, people who enjoy Halo 5 but want to help change mechanics in order to help it be successful, the so called purists who want Halo 5 to be as close to Halo 2/3 as possible, and the rage induced threads that have the attitude of a temper tantrum throwing pre-schooler. How is a AAA+ title supposed to be polished, if when 343 looks at the forums, they are going to say, well ok, these people like the game, these people like the game but want us to change things, these people want us to scrap the entire thing and make it look like a game we just launched 2 months ago, and these people look like they are raging at us because they don’t like that game but aren’t providiing why. That’s what is likely going through the minds of the devs at 343 right now.
> >
> > I urge you to go to the Advanced Warfare forums, to any platform, and see just how much more better and civilized those forums are compared to this. Also have a good look at this also (Activision | Activision Forums Are Shutting Down) Never have I seen a thread that helps others new to the forums or the community in general look like that. That forum community for a game that maybe was not successful, and likely doesn’t represent the majority of the playerbase for COD, and has been accused for mocking Titanfall and Crysis with certain features, is getting along and very much more interactive with Sledgehammer, then both the MCC and Halo 5 forums right now, and Halo 5’s beta…just ended.
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> > A community, that attacks the community itself from within, whether it’d be opinions, or changes to make Halo 5 successful is only going to make Halo 5 more sub-par then polished because insults about people that praise Halo are the ones killing it, or people who pre-order are allowing 343 to release broken games, only adds to the hostility and breaks down the community, and the game even further. The rage induced threads that bury the constructive feedback whether it’d be negative or positive and don’t explain anything about actually improving the game do the same exact thing. If the community right now, were tasked with making Halo 5, it wouldn’t be released this year, or next year or even 5 years down the road because a community wide arguement would ensue of how to make Halo 5.
> >
> > Halo 5 can be polished, it can be successful, only with an effort from both sides. But the series will continue to be sub par if a connection cannot be made with 343 to the community if this is how the forum community is with it’s hostility. That factor only serves to drive away the developer from the community and vice versa, and a community that has 0% faith in the ability of the developer to produce a successful game, is the tombstone above Halo’s name.
> >
> > Long Story Short, Halo 5’s success rides on both the community and 343 as a whole.
>
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> You can’t blame the consumers, ever. The game doesn’t exist without them. It’s 343’s job to satisfy, and if they don’t, it’s nobody’s fault but their own. They created a big split in the community with Halo 4, the problem was never this bad until they took over Halo, honestly.

Of course it’s never been this bad. The game chaned hands, different team different vision. Good or bad. Can’t wait to see the gears of war fanbase when black tusk shows footage

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> No matter what 343i will do, half of their community will hate them.

That is true, and if that continues Halo will continue to be sub-par because how much of a disconnection this community has from 343. That was my main point, that I’m attempting to explain. That also serves to give a bad reputation to the community also.

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> > > 2533274795440338;1:
> > > Because of it’s community. The community as a whole want’s Halo 5 to be successful over Halo 4. However, that will not happen because of the hostility of a good majortiy in which this community has become. I’ve noticed it since 343 took over Halo back about a year or two. The community is divided, this is true, and the saying you can’t please everyone is also true. However who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who sends death threats to the developers? Who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who is sexist and hypocritical towards Bonnie Ross and possibly over females that can be executive directors because of MCC? The community as a whole, you could say, shapes a franchises fanbase. Though if the community is split 50/50 between praising 343 for Halo 5, and outright disrespecting them for both Halo 5 and MCC, How can a developer have any interaction with their fanbase other then taking up on Twitter?
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> > > The community as it stands now, since maybe Halo 4 is filled with Halo fans, Halo fanboys (no disrespect to anyone) People that think fanboys are ruining their favorite franchise, people that think people who like Halo 5 are in the minority and their opinion doesn’t mean a damn thing, and people that like Halo 5 but want to change it in order for it to be a successful game. However feedback wise you have, people who will enjoy Halo 5 regardless, people who enjoy Halo 5 but want to help change mechanics in order to help it be successful, the so called purists who want Halo 5 to be as close to Halo 2/3 as possible, and the rage induced threads that have the attitude of a temper tantrum throwing pre-schooler. How is a AAA+ title supposed to be polished, if when 343 looks at the forums, they are going to say, well ok, these people like the game, these people like the game but want us to change things, these people want us to scrap the entire thing and make it look like a game we just launched 2 months ago, and these people look like they are raging at us because they don’t like that game but aren’t providiing why. That’s what is likely going through the minds of the devs at 343 right now.
> > >
> > > I urge you to go to the Advanced Warfare forums, to any platform, and see just how much more better and civilized those forums are compared to this. Also have a good look at this also (Activision | Activision Forums Are Shutting Down) Never have I seen a thread that helps others new to the forums or the community in general look like that. That forum community for a game that maybe was not successful, and likely doesn’t represent the majority of the playerbase for COD, and has been accused for mocking Titanfall and Crysis with certain features, is getting along and very much more interactive with Sledgehammer, then both the MCC and Halo 5 forums right now, and Halo 5’s beta…just ended.
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> > > A community, that attacks the community itself from within, whether it’d be opinions, or changes to make Halo 5 successful is only going to make Halo 5 more sub-par then polished because insults about people that praise Halo are the ones killing it, or people who pre-order are allowing 343 to release broken games, only adds to the hostility and breaks down the community, and the game even further. The rage induced threads that bury the constructive feedback whether it’d be negative or positive and don’t explain anything about actually improving the game do the same exact thing. If the community right now, were tasked with making Halo 5, it wouldn’t be released this year, or next year or even 5 years down the road because a community wide arguement would ensue of how to make Halo 5.
> > >
> > > Halo 5 can be polished, it can be successful, only with an effort from both sides. But the series will continue to be sub par if a connection cannot be made with 343 to the community if this is how the forum community is with it’s hostility. That factor only serves to drive away the developer from the community and vice versa, and a community that has 0% faith in the ability of the developer to produce a successful game, is the tombstone above Halo’s name.
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> > > Long Story Short, Halo 5’s success rides on both the community and 343 as a whole.
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> >
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> > You can’t blame the consumers, ever. The game doesn’t exist without them. It’s 343’s job to satisfy, and if they don’t, it’s nobody’s fault but their own. They created a big split in the community with Halo 4, the problem was never this bad until they took over Halo, honestly.
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> Of course it’s never been this bad. The game chaned hands, different team different vision. Good or bad. Can’t wait to see the gears of war fanbase when black tusk shows footage

Seeing as much as I love Gears of War and Judgement did not interest me whatsoever, I’m on the same boat as well. You have a valid point however. Halo did change hands, from Bungie to 343 and 343 does have a different vision for Halo with Halo 5. But it’s the community that has to connect to either keep that vision true, or change that and still have that vision to have Halo 5 be successful. The game goes for Black Tusk with it’s community or any franchise that changes developers.

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> No matter what 343i will do, half of their community will hate them.

I think this sums up what the forums are like pretty well.

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I read the OP and I agree whole-heartedly. But, most of the hate and anger is coming from the purist side of halo that wants halo to stay the same.

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> > > Because of it’s community. The community as a whole want’s Halo 5 to be successful over Halo 4. However, that will not happen because of the hostility of a good majortiy in which this community has become. I’ve noticed it since 343 took over Halo back about a year or two. The community is divided, this is true, and the saying you can’t please everyone is also true. However who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who sends death threats to the developers? Who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who is sexist and hypocritical towards Bonnie Ross and possibly over females that can be executive directors because of MCC? The community as a whole, you could say, shapes a franchises fanbase. Though if the community is split 50/50 between praising 343 for Halo 5, and outright disrespecting them for both Halo 5 and MCC, How can a developer have any interaction with their fanbase other then taking up on Twitter?
> > >
> > > The community as it stands now, since maybe Halo 4 is filled with Halo fans, Halo fanboys (no disrespect to anyone) People that think fanboys are ruining their favorite franchise, people that think people who like Halo 5 are in the minority and their opinion doesn’t mean a damn thing, and people that like Halo 5 but want to change it in order for it to be a successful game. However feedback wise you have, people who will enjoy Halo 5 regardless, people who enjoy Halo 5 but want to help change mechanics in order to help it be successful, the so called purists who want Halo 5 to be as close to Halo 2/3 as possible, and the rage induced threads that have the attitude of a temper tantrum throwing pre-schooler. How is a AAA+ title supposed to be polished, if when 343 looks at the forums, they are going to say, well ok, these people like the game, these people like the game but want us to change things, these people want us to scrap the entire thing and make it look like a game we just launched 2 months ago, and these people look like they are raging at us because they don’t like that game but aren’t providiing why. That’s what is likely going through the minds of the devs at 343 right now.
> > >
> > > I urge you to go to the Advanced Warfare forums, to any platform, and see just how much more better and civilized those forums are compared to this. Also have a good look at this also (Activision | Activision Forums Are Shutting Down) Never have I seen a thread that helps others new to the forums or the community in general look like that. That forum community for a game that maybe was not successful, and likely doesn’t represent the majority of the playerbase for COD, and has been accused for mocking Titanfall and Crysis with certain features, is getting along and very much more interactive with Sledgehammer, then both the MCC and Halo 5 forums right now, and Halo 5’s beta…just ended.
> > >
> > > A community, that attacks the community itself from within, whether it’d be opinions, or changes to make Halo 5 successful is only going to make Halo 5 more sub-par then polished because insults about people that praise Halo are the ones killing it, or people who pre-order are allowing 343 to release broken games, only adds to the hostility and breaks down the community, and the game even further. The rage induced threads that bury the constructive feedback whether it’d be negative or positive and don’t explain anything about actually improving the game do the same exact thing. If the community right now, were tasked with making Halo 5, it wouldn’t be released this year, or next year or even 5 years down the road because a community wide arguement would ensue of how to make Halo 5.
> > >
> > > Halo 5 can be polished, it can be successful, only with an effort from both sides. But the series will continue to be sub par if a connection cannot be made with 343 to the community if this is how the forum community is with it’s hostility. That factor only serves to drive away the developer from the community and vice versa, and a community that has 0% faith in the ability of the developer to produce a successful game, is the tombstone above Halo’s name.
> > >
> > > Long Story Short, Halo 5’s success rides on both the community and 343 as a whole.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You can’t blame the consumers, ever. The game doesn’t exist without them. It’s 343’s job to satisfy, and if they don’t, it’s nobody’s fault but their own. They created a big split in the community with Halo 4, the problem was never this bad until they took over Halo, honestly.
>
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> Actually you can, this forum is a huge example. Yes it’s 343’s job to satisfy but it’s also the community’s job to help them accomplish the goal of a polished game. However the big split did begin with Halo 4, and that’s where the hostility did start and only worsened with MCC because of how broken the game is for some. That carried over to Halo 5. How can the consumers not be blamed with how big the hostility towards 343 currently is over Halo 5’s development? That accomplishes nothing but lost faith and a torn connection between 343 and the community as it stands right now. That is what I’m explaining and I don’t think your quite understanding the point I’m making.

Would they really listen though?

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I love halo and have a lot of faith with 343 I am a old school gamers that puts common sense, mercy, and forgiveness, first. So I’m just going to sit back and enjoy Halo like back in the old day.

(I’m on my phone right now, but I was going to post the hyabusa song video. So just go to youtube and type in hyabusa song in the search and enjoy.

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> I read the OP and I agree whole-heartedly. But, most of the hate and anger is coming from the purist side of halo that wants halo to stay the same.

The purist side is understandable, they think Halo is changing too much, and straying too much away from innovation on it’s own, but copying from different games and that’s where some of the hostility is, that they want Halo to stay the same, but another side of the community does not, and that claims from some purists that inviting new things into Halo is killing the franchise which a lot may deem disagreeable. Not only that but the hositlity also comes from that side into play when the claims that are, if you like Halo 5 you aren’t a real Halo fan is also contributing to the hostility and the tear down of the community in sorts. It’s the Old classic fanbase and the new fanbase that hasn’t built a connection of sorts because one side refuses to accept what the other side wants to enjoy, but is unwilling to let them enjoy because they want that feel to stay similar. That leads to one side attacking the other side in terms of claiming one side of the community is killing Halo, which is what I was explaining in my OP.

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> > 2535434588318471;9:
> > I read the OP and I agree whole-heartedly. But, most of the hate and anger is coming from the purist side of halo that wants halo to stay the same.
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> The purist side is understandable, they think Halo is changing too much, and straying too much away from innovation on it’s own, but copying from different games and that’s where some of the hostility is, that they want Halo to stay the same, but another side of the community does not, and that claims from some purists that inviting new things into Halo is killing the franchise which a lot may deem disagreeable. Not only that but the hositlity also comes from that side into play when the claims that are, if you like Halo 5 you aren’t a real Halo fan is also contributing to the hostility and the tear down of the community in sorts. It’s the Old classic fanbase and the new fanbase that hasn’t built a connection of sorts because one side refuses to accept what the other side wants to enjoy, but is unwilling to let them enjoy because they want that feel to stay similar. That leads to one side attacking the other side in terms of claiming one side of the community is killing Halo, which is what I was explaining in my OP.

I’m ok with people thinking that halo is changing too much and wanting it to stay the same, but it’s their attitude which annoys me. They need to get off their high horse and take off their nostalgia glasses. Halo needs to innovate if the series is going to survive. If halo stayed the same with each new game, people would get bored and complain that each halo game plays the same. Also, halo 5 didn’t really steal anything from call of duty. Halo 5 was being made way before cod: AW started development.

I get why the purists are upset. The new mechanics are replacing some old mechanics, but that’s bound to happen if you’re going to innovate gameplay. Which side do you consider yourself to be with, OP? I’m asking because I’m just mildly curious.

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> > I read the OP and I agree whole-heartedly. But, most of the hate and anger is coming from the purist side of halo that wants halo to stay the same.
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> The purist side is understandable, they think Halo is changing too much, and straying too much away from innovation on it’s own, but copying from different games and that’s where some of the hostility is, that they want Halo to stay the same, but another side of the community does not, and that claims from some purists that inviting new things into Halo is killing the franchise which a lot may deem disagreeable. Not only that but the hositlity also comes from that side into play when the claims that are, if you like Halo 5 you aren’t a real Halo fan is also contributing to the hostility and the tear down of the community in sorts. It’s the Old classic fanbase and the new fanbase that hasn’t built a connection of sorts because one side refuses to accept what the other side wants to enjoy, but is unwilling to let them enjoy because they want that feel to stay similar. That leads to one side attacking the other side in terms of claiming one side of the community is killing Halo, which is what I was explaining in my OP.

It’s a civil war.

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> > > > Because of it’s community. The community as a whole want’s Halo 5 to be successful over Halo 4. However, that will not happen because of the hostility of a good majortiy in which this community has become. I’ve noticed it since 343 took over Halo back about a year or two. The community is divided, this is true, and the saying you can’t please everyone is also true. However who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who sends death threats to the developers? Who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who is sexist and hypocritical towards Bonnie Ross and possibly over females that can be executive directors because of MCC? The community as a whole, you could say, shapes a franchises fanbase. Though if the community is split 50/50 between praising 343 for Halo 5, and outright disrespecting them for both Halo 5 and MCC, How can a developer have any interaction with their fanbase other then taking up on Twitter?
> > > >
> > > > The community as it stands now, since maybe Halo 4 is filled with Halo fans, Halo fanboys (no disrespect to anyone) People that think fanboys are ruining their favorite franchise, people that think people who like Halo 5 are in the minority and their opinion doesn’t mean a damn thing, and people that like Halo 5 but want to change it in order for it to be a successful game. However feedback wise you have, people who will enjoy Halo 5 regardless, people who enjoy Halo 5 but want to help change mechanics in order to help it be successful, the so called purists who want Halo 5 to be as close to Halo 2/3 as possible, and the rage induced threads that have the attitude of a temper tantrum throwing pre-schooler. How is a AAA+ title supposed to be polished, if when 343 looks at the forums, they are going to say, well ok, these people like the game, these people like the game but want us to change things, these people want us to scrap the entire thing and make it look like a game we just launched 2 months ago, and these people look like they are raging at us because they don’t like that game but aren’t providiing why. That’s what is likely going through the minds of the devs at 343 right now.
> > > >
> > > > I urge you to go to the Advanced Warfare forums, to any platform, and see just how much more better and civilized those forums are compared to this. Also have a good look at this also (Activision | Activision Forums Are Shutting Down) Never have I seen a thread that helps others new to the forums or the community in general look like that. That forum community for a game that maybe was not successful, and likely doesn’t represent the majority of the playerbase for COD, and has been accused for mocking Titanfall and Crysis with certain features, is getting along and very much more interactive with Sledgehammer, then both the MCC and Halo 5 forums right now, and Halo 5’s beta…just ended.
> > > >
> > > > A community, that attacks the community itself from within, whether it’d be opinions, or changes to make Halo 5 successful is only going to make Halo 5 more sub-par then polished because insults about people that praise Halo are the ones killing it, or people who pre-order are allowing 343 to release broken games, only adds to the hostility and breaks down the community, and the game even further. The rage induced threads that bury the constructive feedback whether it’d be negative or positive and don’t explain anything about actually improving the game do the same exact thing. If the community right now, were tasked with making Halo 5, it wouldn’t be released this year, or next year or even 5 years down the road because a community wide arguement would ensue of how to make Halo 5.
> > > >
> > > > Halo 5 can be polished, it can be successful, only with an effort from both sides. But the series will continue to be sub par if a connection cannot be made with 343 to the community if this is how the forum community is with it’s hostility. That factor only serves to drive away the developer from the community and vice versa, and a community that has 0% faith in the ability of the developer to produce a successful game, is the tombstone above Halo’s name.
> > > >
> > > > Long Story Short, Halo 5’s success rides on both the community and 343 as a whole.
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You can’t blame the consumers, ever. The game doesn’t exist without them. It’s 343’s job to satisfy, and if they don’t, it’s nobody’s fault but their own. They created a big split in the community with Halo 4, the problem was never this bad until they took over Halo, honestly.
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> > Of course it’s never been this bad. The game chaned hands, different team different vision. Good or bad. Can’t wait to see the gears of war fanbase when black tusk shows footage
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> Seeing as much as I love Gears of War and Judgement did not interest me whatsoever, I’m on the same boat as well. You have a valid point however. Halo did change hands, from Bungie to 343 and 343 does have a different vision for Halo with Halo 5. But it’s the community that has to connect to either keep that vision true, or change that and still have that vision to have Halo 5 be successful. The game goes for Black Tusk with it’s community or any franchise that changes developers.

Yeaa I agree with you. Honestly I’d have to pick up a series after a team lol. As much as they wanna make halo their own the fanbase was not gonna allow that. And can you even blame them for wanting to make it their own? What were they suppose to do beat bungie at their own game? Highly doubtful. It’s not an easy task and this coming from someone who halo is his favorite shooter and is the only series I can say I own every game; but I have to stop comparing halo 5 to 3 (my fav) because it won’t compare. I see what they are trying to do with halo 5 and I really want them to succeed at making it a great halo than wanting them to go back and make a good classic halo. Lol not sure if that makes much sense. And it doesn’t help that I honestly believe even of bungie came back in its current form we would be disappointed (look at reach).

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> > > > Because of it’s community. The community as a whole want’s Halo 5 to be successful over Halo 4. However, that will not happen because of the hostility of a good majortiy in which this community has become. I’ve noticed it since 343 took over Halo back about a year or two. The community is divided, this is true, and the saying you can’t please everyone is also true. However who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who sends death threats to the developers? Who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who is sexist and hypocritical towards Bonnie Ross and possibly over females that can be executive directors because of MCC? The community as a whole, you could say, shapes a franchises fanbase. Though if the community is split 50/50 between praising 343 for Halo 5, and outright disrespecting them for both Halo 5 and MCC, How can a developer have any interaction with their fanbase other then taking up on Twitter?
> > > >
> > > > The community as it stands now, since maybe Halo 4 is filled with Halo fans, Halo fanboys (no disrespect to anyone) People that think fanboys are ruining their favorite franchise, people that think people who like Halo 5 are in the minority and their opinion doesn’t mean a damn thing, and people that like Halo 5 but want to change it in order for it to be a successful game. However feedback wise you have, people who will enjoy Halo 5 regardless, people who enjoy Halo 5 but want to help change mechanics in order to help it be successful, the so called purists who want Halo 5 to be as close to Halo 2/3 as possible, and the rage induced threads that have the attitude of a temper tantrum throwing pre-schooler. How is a AAA+ title supposed to be polished, if when 343 looks at the forums, they are going to say, well ok, these people like the game, these people like the game but want us to change things, these people want us to scrap the entire thing and make it look like a game we just launched 2 months ago, and these people look like they are raging at us because they don’t like that game but aren’t providiing why. That’s what is likely going through the minds of the devs at 343 right now.
> > > >
> > > > I urge you to go to the Advanced Warfare forums, to any platform, and see just how much more better and civilized those forums are compared to this. Also have a good look at this also (Activision | Activision Forums Are Shutting Down) Never have I seen a thread that helps others new to the forums or the community in general look like that. That forum community for a game that maybe was not successful, and likely doesn’t represent the majority of the playerbase for COD, and has been accused for mocking Titanfall and Crysis with certain features, is getting along and very much more interactive with Sledgehammer, then both the MCC and Halo 5 forums right now, and Halo 5’s beta…just ended.
> > > >
> > > > A community, that attacks the community itself from within, whether it’d be opinions, or changes to make Halo 5 successful is only going to make Halo 5 more sub-par then polished because insults about people that praise Halo are the ones killing it, or people who pre-order are allowing 343 to release broken games, only adds to the hostility and breaks down the community, and the game even further. The rage induced threads that bury the constructive feedback whether it’d be negative or positive and don’t explain anything about actually improving the game do the same exact thing. If the community right now, were tasked with making Halo 5, it wouldn’t be released this year, or next year or even 5 years down the road because a community wide arguement would ensue of how to make Halo 5.
> > > >
> > > > Halo 5 can be polished, it can be successful, only with an effort from both sides. But the series will continue to be sub par if a connection cannot be made with 343 to the community if this is how the forum community is with it’s hostility. That factor only serves to drive away the developer from the community and vice versa, and a community that has 0% faith in the ability of the developer to produce a successful game, is the tombstone above Halo’s name.
> > > >
> > > > Long Story Short, Halo 5’s success rides on both the community and 343 as a whole.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You can’t blame the consumers, ever. The game doesn’t exist without them. It’s 343’s job to satisfy, and if they don’t, it’s nobody’s fault but their own. They created a big split in the community with Halo 4, the problem was never this bad until they took over Halo, honestly.
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> >
> >
> > Actually you can, this forum is a huge example. Yes it’s 343’s job to satisfy but it’s also the community’s job to help them accomplish the goal of a polished game. However the big split did begin with Halo 4, and that’s where the hostility did start and only worsened with MCC because of how broken the game is for some. That carried over to Halo 5. How can the consumers not be blamed with how big the hostility towards 343 currently is over Halo 5’s development? That accomplishes nothing but lost faith and a torn connection between 343 and the community as it stands right now. That is what I’m explaining and I don’t think your quite understanding the point I’m making.
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> Would they really listen though?

Question is really, can the community communicate respectively with 343 and effectively?

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> > > > > Because of it’s community. The community as a whole want’s Halo 5 to be successful over Halo 4. However, that will not happen because of the hostility of a good majortiy in which this community has become. I’ve noticed it since 343 took over Halo back about a year or two. The community is divided, this is true, and the saying you can’t please everyone is also true. However who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who sends death threats to the developers? Who wants to look at the Halo community as the community who is sexist and hypocritical towards Bonnie Ross and possibly over females that can be executive directors because of MCC? The community as a whole, you could say, shapes a franchises fanbase. Though if the community is split 50/50 between praising 343 for Halo 5, and outright disrespecting them for both Halo 5 and MCC, How can a developer have any interaction with their fanbase other then taking up on Twitter?
> > > > >
> > > > > The community as it stands now, since maybe Halo 4 is filled with Halo fans, Halo fanboys (no disrespect to anyone) People that think fanboys are ruining their favorite franchise, people that think people who like Halo 5 are in the minority and their opinion doesn’t mean a damn thing, and people that like Halo 5 but want to change it in order for it to be a successful game. However feedback wise you have, people who will enjoy Halo 5 regardless, people who enjoy Halo 5 but want to help change mechanics in order to help it be successful, the so called purists who want Halo 5 to be as close to Halo 2/3 as possible, and the rage induced threads that have the attitude of a temper tantrum throwing pre-schooler. How is a AAA+ title supposed to be polished, if when 343 looks at the forums, they are going to say, well ok, these people like the game, these people like the game but want us to change things, these people want us to scrap the entire thing and make it look like a game we just launched 2 months ago, and these people look like they are raging at us because they don’t like that game but aren’t providiing why. That’s what is likely going through the minds of the devs at 343 right now.
> > > > >
> > > > > I urge you to go to the Advanced Warfare forums, to any platform, and see just how much more better and civilized those forums are compared to this. Also have a good look at this also (Activision | Activision Forums Are Shutting Down) Never have I seen a thread that helps others new to the forums or the community in general look like that. That forum community for a game that maybe was not successful, and likely doesn’t represent the majority of the playerbase for COD, and has been accused for mocking Titanfall and Crysis with certain features, is getting along and very much more interactive with Sledgehammer, then both the MCC and Halo 5 forums right now, and Halo 5’s beta…just ended.
> > > > >
> > > > > A community, that attacks the community itself from within, whether it’d be opinions, or changes to make Halo 5 successful is only going to make Halo 5 more sub-par then polished because insults about people that praise Halo are the ones killing it, or people who pre-order are allowing 343 to release broken games, only adds to the hostility and breaks down the community, and the game even further. The rage induced threads that bury the constructive feedback whether it’d be negative or positive and don’t explain anything about actually improving the game do the same exact thing. If the community right now, were tasked with making Halo 5, it wouldn’t be released this year, or next year or even 5 years down the road because a community wide arguement would ensue of how to make Halo 5.
> > > > >
> > > > > Halo 5 can be polished, it can be successful, only with an effort from both sides. But the series will continue to be sub par if a connection cannot be made with 343 to the community if this is how the forum community is with it’s hostility. That factor only serves to drive away the developer from the community and vice versa, and a community that has 0% faith in the ability of the developer to produce a successful game, is the tombstone above Halo’s name.
> > > > >
> > > > > Long Story Short, Halo 5’s success rides on both the community and 343 as a whole.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You can’t blame the consumers, ever. The game doesn’t exist without them. It’s 343’s job to satisfy, and if they don’t, it’s nobody’s fault but their own. They created a big split in the community with Halo 4, the problem was never this bad until they took over Halo, honestly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually you can, this forum is a huge example. Yes it’s 343’s job to satisfy but it’s also the community’s job to help them accomplish the goal of a polished game. However the big split did begin with Halo 4, and that’s where the hostility did start and only worsened with MCC because of how broken the game is for some. That carried over to Halo 5. How can the consumers not be blamed with how big the hostility towards 343 currently is over Halo 5’s development? That accomplishes nothing but lost faith and a torn connection between 343 and the community as it stands right now. That is what I’m explaining and I don’t think your quite understanding the point I’m making.
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> > Would they really listen though?
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> Question is really, can the community communicate respectively with 343 and effectively?

A good portion of us do, but what we want is something they definitely will not do.

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We’ll see, OP.

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> > > I read the OP and I agree whole-heartedly. But, most of the hate and anger is coming from the purist side of halo that wants halo to stay the same.
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> > The purist side is understandable, they think Halo is changing too much, and straying too much away from innovation on it’s own, but copying from different games and that’s where some of the hostility is, that they want Halo to stay the same, but another side of the community does not, and that claims from some purists that inviting new things into Halo is killing the franchise which a lot may deem disagreeable. Not only that but the hositlity also comes from that side into play when the claims that are, if you like Halo 5 you aren’t a real Halo fan is also contributing to the hostility and the tear down of the community in sorts. It’s the Old classic fanbase and the new fanbase that hasn’t built a connection of sorts because one side refuses to accept what the other side wants to enjoy, but is unwilling to let them enjoy because they want that feel to stay similar. That leads to one side attacking the other side in terms of claiming one side of the community is killing Halo, which is what I was explaining in my OP.
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> I’m ok with people thinking that halo is changing too much and wanting it to stay the same, but it’s their attitude which annoys me. They need to get off their high horse and take off their nostalgia glasses. Halo needs to innovate if the series is going to survive. If halo stayed the same with each new game, people would get bored and complain that each halo game plays the same. Also, halo 5 didn’t really steal anything from call of duty. Halo 5 was being made way before cod: AW started development.
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> I get why the purists are upset. The new mechanics are replacing some old mechanics, but that’s bound to happen if you’re going to innovate gameplay. Which side do you consider yourself to be with, OP? I’m asking because I’m just mildly curious.

I’m neutral between everything. Although I disliked Halo 4 greatly because of the Infinity Playlists and PoD’s weren’t an enjoyable feature in Halo. But I understand where your coming from. In the mindset a Purist has, they want Halo to innovate from the past into the future. They want it to innovate on the original formula, like Halo CE-3 did which I can understand to an extent. They believe Halo 5’s evolution and modernization isn’t the correct innovation. New mechanics replacing old mechanics to innovate gameplay is going to happen yes, but they don’t think it’s happening correctly.

I do agree with Halo 5 not taking anything from COD, which in reality it did not. FPS’s I believe originally took Sprint from Shadowrun in which case COD started the trend of Sprint in todays FPS’s. The ADS people are upset about I’m ok with, it’s practically looking down the sights like you would in reality but people are opposed to that because the scopes are supposed to be linked to their helmets or something, that doesn’t bother me at all as I’ve said, I’m neutral. However the mindset of nostalgia with purists is questionable but also in a way, a bit of it is good. There hasn’t been Elites in MP since Reach which upset the playerbase that likes to play as the Sanghelli like myself and why 343 hasn’t implemented them in yet is questionable too. However communicating the nostalgia factor to 343 to put into Halo 5 can be done, however it’s not being correctly, it’s moreso being pushed into 343 as this is what Halo was before, either do this, this way or your game will fall into an abyssal pit. That though is not the way to communicate with a developer.

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> > > I read the OP and I agree whole-heartedly. But, most of the hate and anger is coming from the purist side of halo that wants halo to stay the same.
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> > The purist side is understandable, they think Halo is changing too much, and straying too much away from innovation on it’s own, but copying from different games and that’s where some of the hostility is, that they want Halo to stay the same, but another side of the community does not, and that claims from some purists that inviting new things into Halo is killing the franchise which a lot may deem disagreeable. Not only that but the hositlity also comes from that side into play when the claims that are, if you like Halo 5 you aren’t a real Halo fan is also contributing to the hostility and the tear down of the community in sorts. It’s the Old classic fanbase and the new fanbase that hasn’t built a connection of sorts because one side refuses to accept what the other side wants to enjoy, but is unwilling to let them enjoy because they want that feel to stay similar. That leads to one side attacking the other side in terms of claiming one side of the community is killing Halo, which is what I was explaining in my OP.
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> It’s a civil war.

It is the great schism

(see what I did there?)