Halo 5 was awesome, but 343 will never surpass #3

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Ok, so I may be getting nostalgic cause I’m listening to Halo 3 stuff, and at this moment, Tribute is playing. (If you don’t know the song, please look it up and give the whole thing a listen)

So, Halo 5. Awesome MP, ok campaign, but pretty fun.

Halo 3, MP I’m mixed on (I prefer Halo 2 a bit, still, Halo 3 MP was good), but campaign? Oh dear lord, where do I even start?

The story was nice and deep. It really hit the you with feels, and, well, Arbiter is Arbiter, so…
It was an epic journey. Something I feel C.O.D (At least modern C.O.D) hasn’t seemed to capture. It was epic, it was terrifying, it was Halo.

The gameplay was awesome too. The vehicles are fun as heck, the BR is nice, the enemies are balanced, the allies aren’t (completely) stupid, and the whole thing feels kinda real.

The graphics honestly weren’t as good as some modern games, yet I like them the best out of all the games, cause it just feels RIGHT.

Maybe I’m nostalgic. Maybe because I used to watch my older brothers playing it, and it was my first Halo.

Concerning the overall storyline
But I would take the MCC over the modern Halos, for all the first Halos. I would rather have the MCC than Reach. I might honestly wish Halo would just stop at Halo 4, because that was enough. Chief is found, Cortana lost, and he’s now on adventures still saving the world. Heck, I even liked the early Escalation comics. Halo 5 was fun, but…it doesn’t feel right story-wise. It still feels like Halo, but it’s dangerously different. Now, I have respect for 343’s work on Halo 5, but I still say: give me the Chief, a BR-55HB, and an army of brutes to fight any day.

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You said it well. While halo 5 has plenty of issues, it is SUPER fun to play and by far 343’s best game. But as you said, no halo game will top halo 3.

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> You said it well. While halo 5 has plenty of issues, it is SUPER fun to play and by far 343’s best game. But as you said, no halo game will top halo 3.

Truth.

Halo 3 will always hold a special place in my heart, not exactly gameplay wise however… lol

Halo 5 is a good game, but it just needs more love from 343. And no, overloading us with reqs is not love.

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> no halo game will top halo 3.

I dunno, if 343 gets their -Yoink- together and figures out how to please both long-time and new fans, competitive and casual players, and lore nuts and game-only people, I think Halo 6 might be able to at least come close.

Not that I’m saying it will, but if 343 plays their cards right, they might have a contender.

Of course, there’s also the memories that you guys made in Halo 3 that future games might not be able to recreate, so, uh, yeah.

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> no halo game will top halo 3.

Halo reach in my opinion is better, but then again its my opinion, just like this is yours.

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> Halo reach in my opinion is better, but then again its my opinion, just like this is yours.

I did enjoy reach, but, just in my opinion, it felt…off.

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I just want a complete package at launch. Halo: Reach and Halo 3 were bursting at the seams with content. It took too long for Halo 5 to feel like a true Halo game with all the bells and whistles that a big chunk of the population didn’t stay. I believe Halo 5 shipped with LESS modes than Halo: CE(I know game modes have released post launch), and is still missing some classics.

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of course cause bungie made halo 3, it was halo at its best, it was as popular or more than Call of Duty at that time.

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I thought Halo 3 was good but Halo 2 was actually better.

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> > no halo game will top halo 3.
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> I dunno, if 343 gets their -Yoink- together and figures out how to please both long-time and new fans, competitive and casual players, and lore nuts and game-only people, I think Halo 6 might be able to at least come close.
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> Not that I’m saying it will, but if 343 plays their cards right, they might have a contender.
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> Of course, there’s also the memories that you guys made in Halo 3 that future games might not be able to recreate, so, uh, yeah.

2 different games at once? I think that’s identity crisis to the franchise.

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> > > no halo game will top halo 3.
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> > I dunno, if 343 gets their -Yoink- together and figures out how to please both long-time and new fans, competitive and casual players, and lore nuts and game-only people, I think Halo 6 might be able to at least come close.
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> > Not that I’m saying it will, but if 343 plays their cards right, they might have a contender.
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> > Of course, there’s also the memories that you guys made in Halo 3 that future games might not be able to recreate, so, uh, yeah.
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> 2 different games at once? I think that’s identity crisis to the franchise.

shrugs
Don’t people think Halo is going through an identity crisis anyway?

Besides, if Bungie managed to satisfy most of the community with the original trilogy, I don’t see why 343 couldn’t if they figured out what works for Halo and what doesn’t.

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> I thought Halo 3 was good but Halo 2 was actually better.

Could you please elaborate mate?

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> > > > no halo game will top halo 3.
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> > > I dunno, if 343 gets their -Yoink- together and figures out how to please both long-time and new fans, competitive and casual players, and lore nuts and game-only people, I think Halo 6 might be able to at least come close.
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> > > Not that I’m saying it will, but if 343 plays their cards right, they might have a contender.
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> > > Of course, there’s also the memories that you guys made in Halo 3 that future games might not be able to recreate, so, uh, yeah.
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> > 2 different games at once? I think that’s identity crisis to the franchise.
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> Don’t people think Halo is going through an identity crisis anyway?

The current identity is… I do not know how to describe it, but it’s clear that this current one is not a game for most veterans and people who prefer originals. Also, we haven’t seen and don’t know about how those new Halo fans will react to 343 going back to original route, deviating from Halo 4 and 5 formula.

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> > > > > no halo game will top halo 3.
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> > > > I dunno, if 343 gets their -Yoink- together and figures out how to please both long-time and new fans, competitive and casual players, and lore nuts and game-only people, I think Halo 6 might be able to at least come close.
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> > > > Not that I’m saying it will, but if 343 plays their cards right, they might have a contender.
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> > > > Of course, there’s also the memories that you guys made in Halo 3 that future games might not be able to recreate, so, uh, yeah.
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> > > 2 different games at once? I think that’s identity crisis to the franchise.
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> > Don’t people think Halo is going through an identity crisis anyway?
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> The current identity is… I do not know how to describe it, but it’s clear that this current one is not a game for most veterans and people who prefer originals. Also, we haven’t seen and don’t know about how those new Halo fans will react to 343 going back to original route, deviating from Halo 4 and 5 formula.

You have a point. Then there’s the whole issue of where 343 is taking the story, because I’ve seen people that love it, and then there’s people that absolutely hate where it’s gone. I think I fall into the latter category.

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What exactly was so great about the older games? H5 has Warzone so IMO that makes it the best.

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> > I thought Halo 3 was good but Halo 2 was actually better.
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> Could you please elaborate mate?

Yeah sure, I can absolutely elaborate.

I mean I do agree that Halo 3 had the best cutscenes but Halo 2’s storyline was the first time that players were thrust into the middle of the Covenant and their decision-making. We saw the Arbiter get brutally punished for failing to stop the Chief and Cortana in the first game. We saw the Great Schism unfold and got to play through the middle of it- from the perspective of humans and covenant alike.

I mean, Halo 3’s graphics were superior and it’s overall pace and scale was on par with previous Halo campaigns but aside from its obvious improvements in the cutscenes it wasn’t a monumental improvement with regards to gameplay nor did it really add a ton of new elements to the storyline itself. It just picks up right where Halo 2 left off and as such felt something like an expansion pack for much of the game when playing through it. That’s not a knock either to the game itself- I liked Halo 3 for many of the reasons you’ve outready outlined but like you said Halo 2’s MP was also better… So that about settles it for me- Halo 3 was better in some respects such as graphics and cutscenes but that just isn’t enough for me to consider it better than Halo 2. They’re both way up there to me.

-I think MP for me would be: 2, 5, CE, 3, 4, Reach… With CE getting the slight edge on 3 for me because of those unforgettable system link matches that I’ll always remember with true nostalgia.

-Campaign storyline goes 2, 3, CE, Reach, 4, 5.

-Campaign cutscenes go: 3, 2, Reach, CE, 4, 5.

-Campaign replayability goes: 2, CE, 3, 4, 5, Reach (Reach drops further back because you die and you know you’re gonna die. Not a storyline buster but still a damper with respect to replayability. Plus there was no real bonus for completing Reach on LASO)

-Graphics: Hard to grade this fairly but in terms of how ground-breaking they were; combined with well they’ve held it I’d say: 3, 2, CE for the original trilogy and 5, 4, Reach for the newer ones… This category is harder for me to grade fairly because there was so much time in between games.

So I mean overall 2 was just better than 3 to me; granted 3 bested it in a couple categories. This is purely about personal preference anyway but I just liked 2 better than 3.

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> Ok, so I may be getting nostalgic cause I’m listening to Halo 3 stuff, and at this moment, Tribute is playing. (If you don’t know the song, please look it up and give the whole thing a listen)
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> So, Halo 5. Awesome MP, ok campaign, but pretty fun.
>
> Halo 3, MP I’m mixed on (I prefer Halo 2 a bit, still, Halo 3 MP was good), but campaign? Oh dear lord, where do I even start?
>
> The story was nice and deep. It really hit the you with feels, and, well, Arbiter is Arbiter, so…
> It was an epic journey. Something I feel C.O.D (At least modern C.O.D) hasn’t seemed to capture. It was epic, it was terrifying, it was Halo.
>
> The gameplay was awesome too. The vehicles are fun as heck, the BR is nice, the enemies are balanced, the allies aren’t (completely) stupid, and the whole thing feels kinda real.
>
> The graphics honestly weren’t as good as some modern games, yet I like them the best out of all the games, cause it just feels RIGHT.
>
> Maybe I’m nostalgic. Maybe because I used to watch my older brothers playing it, and it was my first Halo.
>
> Concerning the overall storyline
> But I would take the MCC over the modern Halos, for all the first Halos. I would rather have the MCC than Reach. I might honestly wish Halo would just stop at Halo 4, because that was enough. Chief is found, Cortana lost, and he’s now on adventures still saving the world. Heck, I even liked the early Escalation comics. Halo 5 was fun, but…it doesn’t feel right story-wise. It still feels like Halo, but it’s dangerously different. Now, I have respect for 343’s work on Halo 5, but I still say: give me the Chief, a BR-55HB, and an army of brutes to fight any day.

I might be the minority here but I prefer halo 3’s gameplay over Halo 2s. Something about Halo 2’s mp just seems…off. I can’t quite put my finger on it. Maybe its just the vehicular gameplay that I find more appealing. Halo 2’s campaign is much better than halo 3s tho, but halo 3’s certainly has the epic factor to it.

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> > no halo game will top halo 3.
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> I dunno, if 343 gets their -Yoink- together and figures out how to please both long-time and new fans, competitive and casual players, and lore nuts and game-only people, I think Halo 6 might be able to at least come close.
>
> Not that I’m saying it will, but if 343 plays their cards right, they might have a contender.
>
> Of course, there’s also the memories that you guys made in Halo 3 that future games might not be able to recreate, so, uh, yeah.

That is a lot of things to do and get right. Not impossible, but pretty much is I think.

Best to worst Halo games IMO,
-H3
-H2
-HCE
-H5
-Reach
-H4

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I think you’re getting a little nostalgic, OP. I don’t think it’s fair to say 343 will never surpass Halo 3 because it’s always possible they’d learn from their mistakes and make a Halo game that’s just as good or better. Whether or not that’s likely is a different story…

Also, if 343 made a Halo game that surpassed Halo 3, it still probably wouldn’t get the same reputation and population anyway, just because the industry was different when Halo 3 came out and it was marketed very heavily, not to mention with 343’s current reputation it just wouldn’t be received the same way.