Halo 5- The lies we were told

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Firstly, I do not hate this game, I play it frequently.
Secondly, this thread is not to bash the game, or to bash 343, it is just to discuss the lies were we fed leading up to the release of halo 5.
Now before I get into my biggest problem with the lead up, here is an article that was mentioned in another thread, read it before you comment or make any assumptions.
Article here
EDIT: This article also has some very good points on creating a better story, and how it could have been handled better for character growth.
ED IT 2: I did not think this would be a problem, but please read the whole post and the article before you make a comment, as you can see when you scroll, the first page got bloated by someone who did not read. I want this to be a thread with proper discussion, not assumption or blind allegiance to what 343 says. Yes sounds harsh, but you will see what I mean when you scroll down, I just don’t want the whole thread to be bloated like it’s starting to already- it’s not good for you to scroll through, or for me to have to explain to some to actually read the post, to avoid bloating and misunderstandings.
EDIT 3: OK, this is getting out of hand. It seems some people don’t even know what “original post/OP” means. When I say to read the original post, it means this big block of text here. Now many of you will be reading this thinking “what the f…” but if you read the below posts, you will see what I mean. Again, I did not expect to encounter such…ignorance…but once again read this whole post, and the article, so if you make a post, you know what I am talking about, and won’t post nonsense, like you will see when you read through the first and second page.
And for those who do read, I appreciate it. It makes it better for everyone if you read it all, and make a genuine contribution to the discussion.
Edit 4: Apologies for another edit note, this is to those who won’t read or pay attention, and therefore bloat the thread. Such posts are considered non constructive posts (again, you will see them when you scroll down, posts that don’t contribute any real discussion, just misunderstanding due to not reading the OP). Such posts can have actions taken against them by monitors, I did not think I would have to explain it, but once again, I don’t want this thread to be bloated. So yes, this is a bit of a warning to those who make such posts.
Now there are many things I could discuss, but these are very well explained in the article, so I don’t think it is worth writing, especially when you can read it in a place when it’s worded and structured well.
Now, my main problem, is with the trailers. Now before anyone says they were ONI propaganda, yes I know that, but I’m talking about the “hunt the truth” aspect. Now many of us saw every hunt the truth episode, this got us all excited to see how this would affect halo 5s story yes? Well not a word of
Hunt the truth was in halo 5. Sure chief went “AWOL” (which was more a lack of communication, as when he sees Locke the second time, they become best buds right?). There was none of that ONI are the bad masterminds that was shown in hunt the truth. And on top of that, 343 claimed it would be the darkest halo yet, anyone remember that? If I can find the video/article, I would link it but I have not managed to find it.
So instead of the potentially amazing hunt the truth story, instead we got SPOILERS ahead for those who haven’t finished the campaign
another lame Cortana and chief love story (better than twilight?Right?..) instead of developing chief from halo 4,which I think laid a great foundation for the trilogy, it was thrown away, and instead he chases her around the Galaxy. I wish they continued the hunt the truth story, and had us witness the turmoil of the rebels/terrorists while the colonies get destroyed by the guardians. Cortana should have stayed dead.
Now that’s my point, now there are far bigger issues in this game, all of which have had many threads. I thought to pick up on a different point, and would like to see everyone else’s opinions. Once again, before you proceed to defend 343s actions, please read the whole article if you haven’t already, you will see many points of other lies leading up to release. Now you may be wondering, why make a thread on this? That is a valid question, I created this firstly as a means of discussion, as I know others feel the same, and that such actions should not be ignored, especially in Xbox’s “console seller”. And finally, I have grown up with this game for over 14 years now, I hate seeing it being treated like this, cutting content is one thing (ahem destiny) but outright lying about one of the selling points of the game, and creating hype around something not in the game (hunt the truth, as mentioned above). So before this goes to much into a rant, I’ll end it here. Apologies if this may be badly structured or worded, -hence why I linked an article- I don’t usually create such long threads.

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Don’t be shy to share you views on this guys, it IS a discussion after all :slight_smile:

the hunt the truth thing is to make us hunt for the truth and cortana is the truth and the hunt is to figure out whos the bad guy and the character development its baised on the books/movies,comics cortana has halsey mind so she has motherly feeling towords all the spartan 2 not only the chief it is the darkest halo story if you read the books and PAY CLOSELY ATTENTION to every thing thats in the game this game campaign is for hardcore halo fans that read the books and keep upto date with the lore they didnt lie 343 make their words carefully so you have to pay attention closely to understand it doesnt matter how long you been playing it only matter if you understand the gameplay,mechanics and story so they didnt lie thats your opinion

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> the hunt the truth thing is to make us hunt for the truth and cortana is the truth and the hunt is to figure out whos the bad guy and the character development its baised on the books/movies,comics cortana has halsey mind so she has motherly feeling towords all the spartan 2 not only the chief it is the darkest halo story if you read the books and PAY CLOSELY ATTENTION to every thing thats in the game this game campaign is for hardcore halo fans that read the books and keep upto date with the lore they didnt lie 343 make their words carefully so you have to pay attention closely to understand it doesnt matter how long you been playing it only matter if you understand the gameplay,mechanics and story so they didnt lie thats your opinion

Appreciate the response…but no, I’ve read every book and listened to every episode, nothing from the EU (extended universe) is in the game. Also I said to read the article before you defend 343, you clearly did not read it, or else you would know they were lying. Hell nothing from Spartan OP’s or the buildup with the Janus key ( you know, the thing that shows ALL FORERUNNER INSTALLATIONS) but no, that was killed off in a little cutscene at the start. You clearly don’t follow the EU, you are just another one of 343s sheep, make up your own mind, don’t blindly defend them.

Also, at least try to make your post readable.

umm did you read halo:esculation (corrected me if i spelt it wrong)it tells you what happend to the janus key and im not a sheep im just stating the facts while you are just stating an opinion

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> umm did you read halo:esculation (corrected me if i spelt it wrong)it tells you what happend to the janus key and im not a sheep im just stating the facts while you are yust stating an opinion

Exactly, none of that is built upon in the game. And the “facts” you are stating come from 343, hence “sheep”. Again, go read the article, it proves my point and explains exactly what I’m talking about- you will see.

Further, you have failed to address the lies leading to the launch, or don’t you have any “facts” about that?

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No I disagree. Theres actually less of a love story angle in Halo 5 than in Halo 4. Its there, certainly, and it informs both characters actions but its not the focus. The focus is on this tragic conflict, how Cortana is a fallen hero and that Chief is still bearing ultimate responsibility because he failed to save her in Halo 4.

Hell, people have very short memories, theres been suggestions that they might make Cortana a villain since at least Halo 2 and it was Bungies original idea for CE. Portraying their relationship as being very close is just an attempt to make that conflict more personal; nothing more.

That said, for an FPS I do find introducing themes and that tone to be a decision that will rub a large number of gamers the wrong way.

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> Exactly, none of that is built upon in the game. And the “facts” you are stating come from 343, hence “sheep”. Again, go read the article, it proves my point and explains exactly what I’m talking about- you will see.
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> Further, you have failed to address the lies leading to the launch, or don’t you have any “facts” about that?

tell me lies that you think 343i made so i will correct you

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> No I disagree. Theres actually less of a love story angle in Halo 5 than in Halo 4. Its there, certainly, and it informs both characters actions but its not the focus. The focus is on this tragic conflict, how Cortana is a fallen hero and that Chief is still bearing ultimate responsibility because he failed to save her in Halo 4.
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> Hell, people have very short memories, theres been suggestions that they might make Cortana a villain since at least Halo 2 and it was Bungies original idea for CE. Portraying their relationship as being very close is just an attempt to make that conflict more personal; nothing more.
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> That said, for an FPS I do find introducing themes and that tone to be a decision that will rub a large number of gamers the wrong way.

I didn’t focus on just the Cortana/chief thing, that’s OK, what I meant was it is weak in comparison to the potential halo 5 had, with halo 4s foundation. Like the Chief story we saw in Hunt the truth for example.

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Once again, READ THE ARTICLE

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> > > Exactly, none of that is built upon in the game. And the “facts” you are stating come from 343, hence “sheep”. Again, go read the article, it proves my point and explains exactly what I’m talking about- you will see.
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but i wanna hear your reason why you think 343i is lying not the artical its your reason not my or anybodyelse just yours

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> > > > Exactly, none of that is built upon in the game. And the “facts” you are stating come from 343, hence “sheep”. Again, go read the article, it proves my point and explains exactly what I’m talking about- you will see.
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> but i wanna hear your reason why you think 343i is lying not the artical its your reason not my or anybodyelse just yours

Did you even read my original post? There are far too many to list, read the article for yourself, it does a far better job of explaining it than I do. Plus, I already put my reason in the OP, looks like you hardly read anything, you just saw something negative about 343 and rushed to defend them.

i doesnt matter if it a long list or not tell me the exact reason why you think 343i is lying. and why are you acusing me of being a sheep is that your only comeback

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> i doesnt matter if it a long list or not tell me the exact reason why you think 343i is lying. and why are you acusing me of being a sheep is that your only comeback

I literally just told you, do you even read? The trailers and what they said upcoming- it’s all in the original post. And you say “comeback” as if we are throwing insults at each other.

Since you clearly are not reading anything, I’m convinced you are merely trolling, so I will not bloat this thread replying to you until you have read everything.

im not trolling which trailers you are talking about and like i said i wanna hear your reason why their lying other have dif reasons than yours

I’ll be honest, Halo 5 and Star Wars Battlefront were two of my most anticipated releases and being tight on funds I still managed to squeeze both games into my budget, now, after playing both games I am utterly disappointed in both 343 and Dice, two studios that know how to get -Yoink- done yet what is put before me is a mass of crap under the disguise of a quality game. Both these companies need to get their crap together. Therefore, the only lie I will call them on is the quality of effort they put into it, that is all.

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> im not trolling which trailers you are talking about and like i said i wanna hear your reason why their lying other have dif reasons than yours

Again, read the original post, it’s all in there. See, this is why I think you are trolling, you did not even read the original post.

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> I’ll be honest, Halo 5 and Star Wars Battlefront were two of my most anticipated releases and being tight on funds I still managed to squeeze both games into my budget, now, after playing both games I am utterly disappointed in both 343 and Dice, two studios that know how to get -Yoink- done yet what is put before me is a mass of crap under the disguise of a quality game. Both these companies need to get their crap together. Therefore, the only lie I will call them on is the quality of effort they put into it, that is all.

Finally a good response!

Mate I am in agreement, I was about to buy Battlefront, but then I played the beta and decided not to. Same thing with the new need for speed reboot. Another thing to add is the lack of content in both games.

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> I’ll be honest, Halo 5 and Star Wars Battlefront were two of my most anticipated releases and being tight on funds I still managed to squeeze both games into my budget, now, after playing both games I am utterly disappointed in both 343 and Dice, two studios that know how to get -Yoink- done yet what is put before me is a mass of crap under the disguise of a quality game. Both these companies need to get their crap together. Therefore, the only lie I will call them on is the quality of effort they put into it, that is all.

i,ll agree on that at least you show your reason not like this guy