Just a little rant from a fan of the Halo series (since the Original Halo). No split-screen killed Halo 5. I remember playing with my friends when the first Halo was released. It was great to play each expansion of Halo with my friends in the same room on the same couch and even connected an extra xbox to play 4 on 4 (or 4 on 4 on 4 on 4). When my kids were born we played Halo 4 (3 kids). It took some getting used to but they learned how to play (mainly through campaign runs) and it was great to have that experience with them. It followed through on local maps that we would create and spend hours and hours playing or go in as a team and bark instructions to each other as we planned our attacks/defense.
When Halo 5 was announced I quickly bought an xbox one and I pretty much let it sit there. It got sparingly used as we waited for Halo 5 and an expected moments full of future fun… we were all excited all 4 of us. When Halo 5 arrived, I spent about 20 minutes transferring all my kids accounts to the xbox one (a slight oversight I hadn’t thought of before). Once I had completed the process we all huddled in the living room, grabbed a controller and prepared to play. Unfortunately, I could not add them to my fire team and kept getting an error. After about 2 hours of trying to get a game going (and through incessant nagging from now discouraged children telling me to start the game already and figure it out), I finally turned to the forums to see what I was missing. Apparently, I had missed a lot but not as much as 343 has missed.
When I told the kids we would not be able to play Halo 5 together because the split screen was removed from the game they said everything that I was thinking. I heard “why did they do that?” I heard “that is stupid!” I heard “maybe we just got a bad game”. It was a shocking moment for all of us. I wanted to share this with the development team that thought it was a great idea to remove split screen from Halo 5. The one and only reason I even bought an xbox one was for Halo 5. Thank you for ruining Halo 5 for me and my kids. You have destroyed my faith in 343 and have pretty much written off the Halo series for my kids (if split screen is dead for future Halo games). When and if the next installment of Halo is released I will definitely read about it and if there is no split screen it will not make it into my home.
I guess Star Wars Battlefront will have to fill the void for the time being.
Wow, attacked so soon.
Well OP, I understand your view. I always played split screen with my siblings up until 343i thought it was best to not bring this in.
These guys who attack any split screen sympathizers would really believe whatever BS Microsoft and 343i tells them, and they probably don’t have anyone to play split screen with.
Don’t listen to them. 343i cannot be forgiven for this mistake.
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> Wow, attacked so soon. Well OP, I understand your view. I always played split screen with my siblings up until 343i thought it was best to not bring this in. These guys who attack any split screen sympathizers would really believe what Microsoft and 343i tells them, and they probably don’t have anyone to play split screen with.
> Don’t listen to them. 343i cannot be forgiven for this mistake.
It’s not a matter of believing whatever Microsoft/343i, it’s a matter of splitscreen not being the defining characteristic of Halo. Sure it was nice while it was there, but it’s always been the campaign and online multiplayer that were the defining features of Halo.
Seeing as how I still get those two aspects (although the campaign was weak), I am still happy. Splitscreen is just a gravy element.
I’m still getting the turkey, stuffing, and mashed potatoes.
Nah dude split screen IS a big deal. I’m not even affected by it cause I’m in my own appartment with my girlfriend away from my friends and brother but it’s still probably the biggest mistake in the history of Halo. To be honest the only way you can agree with that is if you haven’t played Halo with your friends before. I know it’s for the sake of 60fps but make it work next time guys. It’s really bad, terrible. Halo without split screen is a bit like a one player fighting game in terms of stupid. (Kinda looking at you, Lost Swords)
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> > Just a little rant from a fan of the Halo series (since the Original Halo). No split-screen killed Halo 5.
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Yep.
The refusal to make the wall of text into paragraphs doesn’t help either
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> > Wow, attacked so soon. Well OP, I understand your view. I always played split screen with my siblings up until 343i thought it was best to not bring this in. These guys who attack any split screen sympathizers would really believe what Microsoft and 343i tells them, and they probably don’t have anyone to play split screen with.
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> It’s not a matter of believing whatever Microsoft/343i, it’s a matter of splitscreen not being the defining characteristic of Halo. Sure it was nice while it was there, but it’s always been the campaign and online multiplayer that were the defining features of Halo.
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> Seeing as how I still get those two aspects (although the campaign was weak), I am still happy. Splitscreen is just a gravy element.
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> I’m still getting the turkey, stuffing, and mashed potatoes.
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> Also, get over it.
It sure felt like one of the defining characteristics to Halo for a lot of us. It’s really just different views; some of us didn’t care for split screen while others always used it and knew Halo as a game for really fun split screen parties.
After playing the campaign, I didn’t really mind not having split screen for it because it was just bad, but at least they could’ve allowed us to have 1v1 games with the guy sitting next to us. Split screen was seen as a major feature in every Halo game, sorry if you didn’t see it that way.
No I will not get over it because this is a really big deal to me and so many others. If we just “get over it”, then 343i will continue to neglect this vital feature. What? You think I should buy another console and TV and find a place to set it up in my home? Another account for LIVE? Just to play with my family? That’s insane. It’s clear that this move has either gotten people to stop buying the game or to end up buying two consoles boosting Microsoft sales for Xbox Ones. How is this not for profit? Not to mention 343i members kept their mouths shut for a really long time about this no split screen news until after E3 and they didn’t bother making an entire post for this.
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> Wow, attacked so soon.
> … and they probably don’t have anyone to play split screen with.
No, not really an attack. He claimed Halo 5 has been killed. The fact that it consistently remains within the top 10 played Xbox One games list refutes that claim pretty solidly. Since his entire argument is built upon that one point there is no purpose in reading the rest of it.
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> To be honest the only way you can agree with that is if you haven’t played Halo with your friends before. I know it’s for the sake of 60fps but make it work next time guys. It’s really bad, terrible. Halo without split screen is a bit like a one player fighting game in terms of stupid. (Kinda looking at you, Lost Swords)
Lovely argument you two. If they don’t agree they can’t understand and must not have friends to play co-op with. Sound reasoning there.
I’ve played the crap out of splitscreen on Halo: CE, Halo 2, and Halo 3with my buddies. I’ve pulled all-nighters and booked off work just like anyone else did.
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> No, not really an attack. He claimed Halo 5 has been killed. The fact that it consistently remains within the top 10 played Xbox One games list refutes that claim pretty solidly. Since his entire argument is built upon that one point there is no purpose in reading the rest of it.
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> > To be honest the only way you can agree with that is if you haven’t played Halo with your friends before. I know it’s for the sake of 60fps but make it work next time guys. It’s really bad, terrible. Halo without split screen is a bit like a one player fighting game in terms of stupid. (Kinda looking at you, Lost Swords)
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> Lovely argument you two. If they don’t agree they can’t understand and must not have friends to play co-op with. Sound reasoning there.
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> I’ve played the crap out of splitscreen on Halo: CE, Halo 2, and Halo 3with my buddies. I’ve pulled all-nighters and booked off work just like anyone else did.
My experience with the Halo series and those of others will surely differ. I mainly purchased this game to play with my children so yes, it is dead for me. Overall, Halo 5 sales are not up to par with other Halo games, so I can only assume that the better informed people with my same point of view on the removal of split-screen from the game feel the same way I do and opted not to purchase the game.
I like the new additions to the combat mechanics and that makes the loss of playing this newest expansion with my kids even more frustrating.
To each his own though and I am glad most of you are enjoying the game. I am just pointing out to 343, that what they felt was a good idea (in my opinion) was not.
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> > > To be honest the only way you can agree with that is if you haven’t played Halo with your friends before. I know it’s for the sake of 60fps but make it work next time guys. It’s really bad, terrible. Halo without split screen is a bit like a one player fighting game in terms of stupid. (Kinda looking at you, Lost Swords)
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> 1. My experience with the Halo series and those of others will surely differ. I mainly purchased this game to play with my children so yes, it is dead for me.
> 2.Overall, Halo 5 sales are not up to par with other Halo games, so I can only assume that the better informed people with my same point of view on the removal of split-screen from the game feel the same way I do and opted not to purchase the game.
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> I like the new additions to the combat mechanics and that makes the loss of playing this newest expansion with my kids even more frustrating.
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> To each his own though and I am glad most of you are enjoying the game.
> 3. I am just pointing out to 343, that what they felt was a good idea (in my opinion) was not.
Fair enough.
It’s possible. But it’s also possible that the current crop of AAA titles that are all cross platform (except Mincrecraft) maintain a much larger magnetism to themselves, in addition to being more casual player-friendly. They lend themselves to higher sales better than Halo can.
Furthermore. Halo 5 is not selling poorly. It simply isn’t selling as well as previous titles. Lightning doesn’t always strike twi-thri…four times. Again, lower sales than previous titles doesn’t equate to poor sales. It’s selling quite well, actually.
I doubt that they simply felt it was a good idea, and were leaning more towards it being a trade-off for performance integrity. Could they have included it with a difference in performance? Possibly. Perhaps in Halo 6 they can include it. Who knows.
My personal view is that splitscreen is a bonus feature. Not every game has campaign local coop. For those that do, good on them; for those that don’t, oh well. Not having something that is bonus is not the same as having a standard removed.
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> > 1. My experience with the Halo series and those of others will surely differ. I mainly purchased this game to play with my children so yes, it is dead for me.
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> > I like the new additions to the combat mechanics and that makes the loss of playing this newest expansion with my kids even more frustrating.
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> 2. It’s possible. But it’s also possible that the current crop of AAA titles that are all cross platform (except Mincrecraft) maintain a much larger magnetism to themselves, in addition to being more casual player-friendly. They lend themselves to higher sales better than Halo can.
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> Furthermore. Halo 5 is not selling poorly. It simply isn’t selling as well as previous titles. Lightning doesn’t always strike twi-thri…four times. Again, lower sales than previous titles doesn’t equate to poor sales. It’s selling quite well, actually.
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> 3. I doubt that they simply felt it was a good idea, and were leaning more towards it being a trade-off for performance integrity. Could they have included it with a difference in performance? Possibly. Perhaps in Halo 6 they can include it. Who knows.
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> My personal view is that splitscreen is a bonus feature. 1. Not every game has campaign local coop. For those that do, good on them; for those that don’t, oh well. Not having something that is bonus is not the same as having a standard removed.
I did not say that Halo was selling poorly. It did have a record breaking opening week but has since spiraled downwards and that is why I said sales are not on par with previous Halo titles ( I can guess the word got out quickly).
I understand 343 were going for more FPS. Personally, unless I have Halo 4 playing on a separate T.V. near to Halo 5, I cannot tell the difference in FPS that Halo 5 gives me.
1. You consider split-screen a bonus feature and that is your opinion. Fact is, when something is available every time from the beginning, it is considered “standard.” Like when you buy a car, you have standard features. If every car you had ever owned included a passenger seat you would consider that standard. This is like buying the 2015 version of the same model car you owned in 2014 and finding out that it only has a driver’s seat when it used to also include a passengers seat or like going to a buffet and being told you can only fill your plate up once.
I love the series and though I didn’t really care for the campaign (beat the campaign to learn all the new ways to kill my kids since I regularly used to play them 1 vs 3) the game play did evolve nicely (except for the zooming with any weapon).
I feel you. My brother and I always made it a point to run through Halo together growing up, and it would’ve been nice to do it again over thanksgiving for old time’s sake. Instead we had to resort to the MCC, which incidentally wouldn’t stop Yoinking! a hole straight through the bed and wouldn’t let a guest join the lobby.
