I just completed my placement matches in Team Arena and Team Slayer. I have 20 wins, 1 loss and 1 Tie. I have a 3.0 KD.
I was placed into platinum 2 in Slayer and platinum 5 in team arena. I understand placing in platinum 2 in slayer because i was getting games with plats and golds. But i played with onyxs in Team Arena. Is the ranking system broken? Or is platinum the highest you can achieve straight outta placement matches?
You can be ranked into Onyx, I got it right out of the gate in Rocket Rumble. Consistently play well and you’ll be Onyx in good time.
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> You can be ranked into Onyx, I got it right out of the gate in Rocket Rumble. Consistently play well and you’ll be Onyx in good time.
I’m an onyx on my other account. I thought maybe 343 made it so Platinum would be the highest rank you can achieve after your quals. So you would have to grind for your actual rank (diamond/onyx/champion.)
It might be harder to hit Onyx since the ranks have been established for a little while. If you’re playing the first couple days of a new ranking season, I imagine it would be easier to hit an extreme rank (either really high or really low.)
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What’s the point of doing that can I ask? you’re ranked way higher on a different account so you know going into the game your going to absolutely steamroll the placement matches, the only reason I see for doing this is trying to trick the system into spitting out a higher rank for yourself.
I’ve never understand the point of multiple accounts either.
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Whats the point of what? I’m not trying to get placed in platinum lol! I want to actually have a challenge. Its not my fault i was put into plat with a KDA of 22.5. After a few placement matches the game should realize i should not be playing with lower levels and place me with higher levels. I’m not trying to “Trick the System.” Now I’m a plat and yes im going to steamroll because I’m a better player than platinums and diamonds.
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> I’ve never understand the point of multiple accounts either.
i made another account because i could. Lol. No explanation for that
That’s fine if you want to, I just didn’t know if there was a purpose to it.
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> That’s fine if you want to, I just didn’t know if there was a purpose to it.
Well there is a reason. I made another tag because of a team i joined. My last tag had the team tag on it. and instead of paying $10 to change my name, i made a new tag instead.
I’m sorry bud, I don’t buy it, if you wanna second account so you can steam roll people go ahead but it’s hardly sporting, if you want a challenge play on your onyx account.
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> I’m sorry bud, I don’t buy it, if you wanna second account so you can steam roll people go ahead but it’s hardly sporting, if you want a challenge play on your onyx account.
Where are you getting this steamrolling attitude? The placement matches should have placed goofster in a higher rank? I think you are referring to smurf accounts. Which are account that people purposely lose on so the get placed in bronze-platnum so they can easily win. But if you look at his stats he won all matches except 1. Meaning he was not smurfing and was actually trying to win.
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> I’m sorry bud, I don’t buy it, if you wanna second account so you can steam roll people go ahead but it’s hardly sporting, if you want a challenge play on your onyx account.
i made this post because i am wondering why i am not being put into a higher rank. Im not trying to “steamroll.” lmao.
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I’m sorry I just see no reason to create a new account short of catastrophically losing an account, an account hacked etc. if you’re in onyx being matched with similar skill players what motivation is there to create a new account other than to load your early service record up with easy wins and kills?
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Lets pretend he didn’t make another account and the ranks reset instead. He completes with the same win ratio and KD. And still gets placed into platinum. The placement matches are there for the game to place you into a rank suitable to your skill. This shouldn’t be an discussion to why an account was made. This should be a discussion to why the ranking system is inconsistent.
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Not sure OP it does seem odd to be honest. You did pretty much the best every game on your team it would seem. You were however playing in a party of 4 with platinum and an onyx player. Maybe the game takes the ranks of your teammate into account also and to prevent boosting won’t place as high as it would if you had been going in solo.
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> Not sure OP it does seem odd to be honest. You did pretty much the best every game on your team it would seem. You were however playing in a party of 4 with platinum and an onyx player. Maybe the game takes the ranks of your teammate into account also and to prevent boosting won’t place as high as it would if you had been going in solo.
i did not think of that. that makes sense
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I am actually not disputing the inaccuracies of the ranking system, especially at the low end when it has little data to work with, bearing in mind it is not only Halo 5 on its own matchmaking, there are systems on xbox live that estimate your skill and match accordingly along with data fed by each game, so even after a rank reset xbox live looks at data associated with a tag and matches as best it can in conjuction with data fed by the game, this is why new tags are so problematic as the system essentially hasn’t got enough data to match you accurately hence why you get this scenario, and this has been exploited ruthlessly in the past and was part of the reason for the lack of competitive ranks in Halo’s following Halo 3. The OP may well be genuine in this case but because of the vagaries of the matching system as a result of his actions at least 80 people have been on the receiving end of an unfair loss, you may blame the system but the system is only as good as the data you feed it, so if you tell the system goofster is a completely new player with no history of playing online shooters, when actually he or she is an onyx level player with 1000’s of hours experience playing a variety of online competitive games an inaccurate result is hardly surprising.
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My question from here is: How does the system determine what rank you are? Does it depend on just wins/losses? Does individual performance be taken into account? K/D ratio? When levels reset does your last seasons rank determine what rank you will be in the new season? What if your skill improves drastically from season 1 to season 2? I know that the system cant be perfect tho.
I havent looked much into ‘how the system works,’ but i know if i was the OP i would be asking the same question if i had stats like his/hers to be placed in platinum.
A quote from eLantern on my post where I did the same thing as you and ranked platinum-
"How a developer decides to implement Xbox One’s Live Smart Match system into their game’s matchmaking has pretty much everything to do with who we’re getting matched up with and how long it takes to find matches.
Xbox Live assigns a player with a rudimentary skill-metric when playing a new game based on thier profile’s (gamertag) performance history within all the online matchmaking games they’ve ever played in. If a player creates a new account it’ll start them with a rudimentary skill-metric just below the game’s average mean.
This rudimentary metric has a wide standard deviation to allow for quick skill-based adjustments under the new game, but the more time a player spends with the new game under their gamertag the more confident (aka narrow) that standard deviation becomes.
The skill-based matchmaking on the Xbox One is also balanced against factors such as a player’s Reputation, Age, and Language in order to provide an optimal experience for a player beyond what a simple skill metric may alone provide (aka the new Smart Match system that’s built off the back of Microsoft’s TrueSkill system). How effective this aspect is working within the matchmaking system across Xbox Live I couldn’t say as there’s little information put out on it.
Team-based gameplay requires the system’s algorithm to estimate an average skill-metric beta for the teams based on the skill-chain (worst to best player); optimizing a match-up around these averages is how the system attempts to provide a “probable” competitive match. Unfortunately, what appears to be a competitive match “on paper” won’t always be competitively balanced because the sum of individual skill-metrics don’t account for the special dynamics that can occur within a team-based game that often make the sum greater or lesser than the parts; plus, people tend to have outlier performances here or there which can significantly alter outcomes from expectations.
Expected outcomes cause smaller updates to a player’s skill-based metric because the algorithm already had a good guess of that player’s skill; unexpected outcomes (upsets) will cause larger updates to make the algorithm more likely to predict the outcome in the future.
A player’s personal performance influences a match’s outcome and a match’s outcomes affects their skill-metric in reference to those they’re playing with and against; these metrics are continuously growing their metric’s level of confidence (aka the standard deviation). In earning a visual playlist CSR in Halo 5 the system will analyze an individual’s finishing placement within the match’s skill-chain (where an individual is expected to finish amongst the group) for the first 10 matches. Once a CSR is earned it will only get adjusted based solely on the team’s result (if playing a team-based gamemode) verses the player’s individual result.
343i have setup the playlists CSRs to have particular metric ranges for the divisions and sub-ranking tiers; some appear to be more or less restrictive. A correction came to the SWAT and FFA playlists, but I’d argue that both still need further refinement (just my opinion).
Seasonal resets to specific playlist CSRs will allow individuals to be re-measured but with more confident data thanks to most players having more background experience with the game; the new 10 matches used to earn a playlist CSR still has all of a player’s existing game experience (which constantly grows their skill metric’s confidence level) to draw from in pairing players and teams.
343i have also setup specific parameters for the search process in order to allow the system to try pairing the most ideal matches immediately, but over time that requirement gets loosened in order to match players within reasonable times; nevertheless, I’ve heard many complaints from players overseas that don’t think the system loosens them up enough because they’re stuck searching for extreme lengths of time. The parameters revolve not only around SBMM (skill-based matchmaking) but also connection quality and I believe it’s that aspect that 343i are holding a tighter requirement to regardless to search times which delays matchmaking for many overseas; all-in-all, 343i don’t want people to have poor experiences per the connection, but denying them the experience all-together is just another form of a bad experience."