Halo 5: One Step Forward, A Giant Leap Back

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Before I start off saying anything, I just want to acknowledge you. I know what kind of people you are on these forums. I’m not sure if you will ever know, but the post 3 crowd is not really helping the game or the franchise develop when they shut down any forum post that constructively criticizes anything negative that people point out about Halo’s past Reach or 343 itself. If you are one of those people, which surely ONE OF YOU must be, please read this, if not anything else.
THERE IS A TLDR AT THE BOTTOM FOR LAZY PEOPLE :smiley:
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/f9237adeaf1742c09de144d7bf3f7507/topics/halo-on-pc-how-to-save-halo-and-its-struggles/df2faeb5-ae92-47d7-ba50-e3b588a93bff/posts?page=1#post2
Also, You, who can never let anyone criticize the sad state of the once FPS king, please read the following before making a comment:
That problem is THIS FORUM, namely the “faction” that believes Halo must “change and evolve” and shut down any criticism of Halo and 343 (ugh nooo not another hater)
See that last sentence? (ugh nooo not another hater) The problem with the faction is that if anyone criticize 343, or Halo 4, or Halo 5, or talks about anything negative in Halo, that makes them a Halo hater? A troll? Someone who can’t play Halo well, so they resort to making fun of it? It always baffles me how whenever someone criticizes Halo to point out where things are going wrong and where things can get amended, the faction comes around and basically stops anyone from constructively criticizing Halo, with hoards of comments saying:
"Stop playing the game," (which doesn’t make sense, and your hurting the population this way)
"ok… Halo has died how many times now?" (this comment is a misunderstanding of the situation, Halo hasn’t died, it won’t for a while, but it is DYING quickly)
"Go play COD" (again, they are playing Halo for a reason??)
“Oh my god another hate thread”
(No, they’re tying to tell people where Halo is going down, and want to bring attention so the issue can be FIXED in the next Halos by 343. And your not helping by adding a useless comment that just makes the OP look like a villain.)
“Halo has to evolve to survive”
"Halo 1-3 are not as good as 4-5" ( Oh really, because the critics say so, Metacritic says so, the population says so, the population retention says so, the lasting impact of the original trilogy compared to even halo 4 says so, the innovation in 1-3 that clearly isn’t in 4 or 5 says so, the decreasing community of machinimas and custom gamers says 1-3 had more community support (Hey Halo 5, where’s the file browser?) , and basically a few million fans outside this forum says so.)
And the worst one… the one that basically started this whole decline and the civil war between the community
"Halo Reach was the best" (I’m going to write another thread just about why this can never be said after seeing the state of Halo today.)

<<<ACTUAL DISCUSSION STARTS HERE>>>
First of all, the collective group that refuses to let anyone criticize Halo in its current state, or 343 will be referred to as the faction

Halo 5: One Step Forward, A Giant Leap Back. What exactly do I mean? Halo 5 was a load of wasted potential. As AngryJoe, one of the largest YouTube videogame reviewers put it, “Its a shame.” That is exactly what this game is. Looking on months after it has come out, it is time to judge the game. While Halo 5 took a toddler step in the right direction by:
Adding Blue Team
ARBITER!!!
More Armor Types
New Weapons
Gun Mechanics
New engine
New content
Halo 5 took a giant leap back by adding these features. For many people, including friends I know, they never bought Halo 5 due to lack of splitscreen, This is a staple of the franchise, and no one, especially on console, is really concerned about getting 900p 60 fps compared to having a good time with family & friends.(YES faction PEOPLE DO PLAY SPLITSCREEN!! To be completely honest, this forum is heavily biased towards modern Halo players, and in no way, shape, or form does it represent the entire Halo community–something the faction fails to understand!)
Ways Halo 5 took a leap back:
Limited armor customization even though there are more armor types??? Confusing why they would do this
No voting on matchmaking… You know I haven’t even played Skirmish on Darkstar yet even though I have around 110 hours on Halo 5…
Really strange lobby UI --What is the point of having cool armor if you can’t show it off in the lobby-Reach-style
Dismal Campaign -There was SO much potential for an epic story, but 343, unsurprisingly mess it up
Commendations- Not really as engaging as they were in Reach or 4.
REQ- I am not even sure how people can defend this. Even AngryJoe urges people to stand up to this practice. Only the faction supports REQs, and what they fail to understand is that ultimately they make up a small minority who unfortunately hold too much of the community’s voice (ever heard of the 80/20 rule? Thats what the faction basically is) REQ may be the worst thing to ever happen to Halo… Weapons/Armor could take months to unlock, and don’t show skill or dedication anymore.
The “Free DLC” scam (You have to be pretty naive and willing to overlook 343 so much that even the faction should be able to see that 343 was basically releasing things that should’ve been at launch, not “new DLC”

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I don’t see a TLDR

Anyways:

"See that last sentence? (ugh nooo not another hater) The problem with the faction is that if anyone criticize 343, or Halo 4, or Halo 5, or talks about anything negative in Halo, that makes them a Halo hater? A troll? Someone who can’t play Halo well, so they resort to making fun of it? It always baffles me how whenever someone criticizes Halo to point out where things are going wrong and where things can get amended, the faction comes around and basically stops anyone from constructively criticizing Halo, with hoards of comments saying:"

First off, Halo 4 is pretty universally hated since so much of it’s population dropped off so quickly. It was almost objectively bad compared to the rest of the series.

Secondly, there is a very fine line between criticizing and basing 343/Halo. Many of us have clearly explained why Halo 5’s Campaign alone is terrible in terms of story, and Dr. Halsey (the Waypoint user) is the first one that comes to mind.

"“Stop playing the game,” (which doesn’t make sense, and your hurting the population this way)"

This makes sense only to a point. If you no longer care about the game or wish to support it, then simply stop playing it, and the population will speak for itself.

"ok… Halo has died how many times now?" (this comment is a misunderstanding of the situation, Halo hasn’t died, it won’t for a while, but it is DYING quickly)"

If anything, you’re misunderstanding the comment. The statement “Halo is dead” has been repeated ever since Halo 2.

"For many people, including friends I know, they never bought Halo 5 due to lack of splitscreen, This is a staple of the franchise, and no one, especially on console, is really concerned about getting 900p 60 fps compared to having a good time with family & friends."

I should tell you to take this to the Splitscreen thread we have, but anyways, you bring an anecdotal incident into argument and simply assume no one cares about the visual quality of the game? Even Halo 4 was begged to have 60FPS on 360, which they never could have reached, and MCC could barely keep them stable. 343i simply chose one design choice over another and accept their consequence.

For many people, including friends I know, didn’t care about Splitscreen. That’s why we have Xbox LIVE and party chat, especially for those who can’t actually go to other people’s houses to use half a screen. I can’t even tell you how well Halo 4 supports splitscreen, because I haven’t used it since Halo 3. 60FPS is something I always notice, and 30FPS on what’s supposed to be a competitive shooter is laughable at best.

"No voting on matchmaking… You know I haven’t even played Skirmish on Darkstar yet even though I have around 110 hours on Halo 5…"

Chances are the same thing would happen with voting if maps are liked enough. Not saying we shouldn’t bring back voting, but that problem wouldn’t really be solved if influenced the right way.

Also, you never played Skirmish at Darkstar because out of those 110 hours on Halo 5, you’ve only played one match of Warzone since April 2nd. Skirmish at Darkstar was released that same week.

"REQ- I am not even sure how people can defend this. Even AngryJoe urges people to stand up to this practice."

I’m SOOOO glad you brought AngryJoe into this. He was a very uninformed buyer and reviewer and his first review has hilarious to watch because of how upset he got. But since you’re only talking about the REQ pack part:

Then compare this little snip for Halo 5 to this little snip for MSGV.

This is just embarrassing.

I remember he “did the math” on that same video for REQ points, considering that he based all of the buying on solely Gold packs, and said that you only get 900 points per match “if you do great”. Just casually forgetting that you make at least 1500 per Warzone match, or ~1000 per WZA match (which can be as low as 5 minutes)

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Honestly the lack of split screen is the only feature I am upset about. My dad and I had a tradition ever since the release of halo ce where when we first get a new halo game we would beat it together. And halo 5 killed that decade long tradition. That is my only complaint and it has a large personal impact on me.

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Lazy link

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Ladies and gentlemen, original post #11767 here. The OP has really intrigued me on how original his post about everything wrong with halo 5 is, especially when so many of them exist, and they all say the same thing.

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> Ladies and gentlemen, original post #11767 here. The OP has really intrigued me on how original his post about everything wrong with halo 5 is, especially when so many of them exist, and they all say the same thing.

I can’t tell if you’re saying that his points are therefore solidly validated, or if you are complaining? Or both?

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The few things I think they implemented poorly are:

  • Achilles Armor Set: This one should be from getting Onyx Rank for the first time in an Arena Playlist (or at least Diamond), not from killing a crapton of scrubs in Warzone with your Spartan Company. This is literally asking for groups to farm randoms for it. - No Split-Screen: Are you kidding me? If my buddy wants to play Halo 5 with me when he visits my house, he’s out of luck because they couldn’t put a basic feature in their MULTIPLAYER based game. - Lack of Staple Features: I know some had to be cut for Warzone, but how is there no UNSC air vehicle and what happened to a few game modes like Oddball and King of the Hill? At the very least they should be there for custom games.Otherwise, the game to me is awesome and one of my favorite Halo games.
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> > Ladies and gentlemen, original post #11767 here. The OP has really intrigued me on how original his post about everything wrong with halo 5 is, especially when so many of them exist, and they all say the same thing.
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> I can’t tell if you’re saying that his points are therefore solidly validated, or if you are complaining? Or both?

No its just that these type of post have been done to death and even now theres still a big thread right now just complaing about sprint like yes there are problems with halo 5 but there are also positives but for some reason people never ever say anything good about halo 5 or 343 its just always the negatives on these forums and it never helps with the development of games.If the developers keep on seeing negative post day in and day out about their game their not gonna pay attention to the forums and ignore them.Also people act like bungie was so perfect they also had their problems especially now and also people praise halo reach like the best halo game but it was universally hated by the halo community when it was released.Especially now do people really still want bungie to even work on halo anymore look at what they have become almost everyone notable left bungie but idk if i say anything good about halo 4,mcc and halo 5 i will get hated on because peoples opinions are fact for some reason.

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No dude, it goes like this:

  1. 3 steps forward, 43 steps backward.

(I’m just joking, only reason I wrote it was because its funny).

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> I don’t see a TLDR
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> Anyways:
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> "See that last sentence? (ugh nooo not another hater) The problem with the faction is that if anyone criticize 343, or Halo 4, or Halo 5, or talks about anything negative in Halo, that makes them a Halo hater? A troll? Someone who can’t play Halo well, so they resort to making fun of it? It always baffles me how whenever someone criticizes Halo to point out where things are going wrong and where things can get amended, the faction comes around and basically stops anyone from constructively criticizing Halo, with hoards of comments saying:"
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> 1. First off, Halo 4 is pretty universally hated since so much of it’s population dropped off so quickly. It was almost objectively bad compared to the rest of the series.
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> Secondly, there is a very fine line between criticizing and basing 343/Halo. Many of us have clearly explained why Halo 5’s Campaign alone is terrible in terms of story, and Dr. Halsey (the Waypoint user) is the first one that comes to mind.
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> 2. "“Stop playing the game,” (which doesn’t make sense, and your hurting the population this way)"
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> This makes sense only to a point. If you no longer care about the game or wish to support it, then simply stop playing it, and the population will speak for itself.
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> 3. “ok… Halo has died how many times now?” (this comment is a misunderstanding of the situation, Halo hasn’t died, it won’t for a while, but it is DYING quickly)"
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> If anything, you’re misunderstanding the comment. The statement “Halo is dead” has been repeated ever since Halo 2.
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> "For many people, including friends I know, they never bought Halo 5 due to lack of splitscreen, This is a staple of the franchise, and no one, especially on console, is really concerned about getting 900p 60 fps compared to having a good time with family & friends."
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> 4. I should tell you to take this to the Splitscreen thread we have, but anyways, you bring an anecdotal incident into argument and simply assume no one cares about the visual quality of the game? Even Halo 4 was begged to have 60FPS on 360, which they never could have reached, and MCC could barely keep them stable. 343i simply chose one design choice over another and accept their consequence.
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> For many people, including friends I know, didn’t care about Splitscreen. That’s why we have Xbox LIVE and party chat, especially for those who can’t actually go to other people’s houses to use half a screen. I can’t even tell you how well Halo 4 supports splitscreen, because I haven’t used it since Halo 3. 60FPS is something I always notice, and 30FPS on what’s supposed to be a competitive shooter is laughable at best.
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> "No voting on matchmaking… You know I haven’t even played Skirmish on Darkstar yet even though I have around 110 hours on Halo 5…"
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> 5. Chances are the same thing would happen with voting if maps are liked enough. Not saying we shouldn’t bring back voting, but that problem wouldn’t really be solved if influenced the right way.
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> Also, you never played Skirmish at Darkstar because out of those 110 hours on Halo 5, you’ve only played one match of Warzone since April 2nd. Skirmish at Darkstar was released that same week.
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> "REQ- I am not even sure how people can defend this. Even AngryJoe urges people to stand up to this practice."
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> I’m SOOOO glad you brought AngryJoe into this. He was a very uninformed buyer and reviewer and his first review has hilarious to watch because of how upset he got. But since you’re only talking about the REQ pack part:
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> Then compare this little snip for Halo 5 to this little snip for MSGV.
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> This is just embarrassing.
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> I remember he “did the math” on that same video for REQ points, considering that he based all of the buying on solely Gold packs, and said that you only get 900 points per match “if you do great”. Just casually forgetting that you make at least 1500 per Warzone match, or ~1000 per WZA match (which can be as low as 5 minutes)

I’m not too sure if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing, but I’ll respond either way.
**1.Also, I hated Halo 4 too. But where are those people that were on this very same forum, who praised Halo 4 and defended it? Very strange, because I remember how infuriating those people were, and those Halo 4 lovers were the only people 343 listened to.Seems they realized it sucked too. The funny thing is, it seems these same fans who jumped from loving Halo 4 to criticizing it are probably the same outspoken minority who defend every aspect of Halo 5.
2. I think your misunderstanding my point. That quote is used whenever someone complains about the game, such as last second Warzone boss steal kills. It doesn’t seem to be used as much as it was in 2015.
3. Okay, you got me there. I never heard it that far back but I get your point,
4. The problem is, both of us are half right. There are brothers who would love splitscreen, and at the same time there are friends who prefer XBOX Live.
5. The problem is, I don’t like Warzone. I only play it when I am banned for Arena after lagging out or when my brother wants to play, because “arena’s too hard” for him. If I just want to play Arena, all I get is about 1200 max, and thats if I get around 25 or up kills. Also, it would be easier to collect armor if there were set objectives to getting them (beating game on legendary, etc as in the past) The different vehicle/armor variants are ok for REQs. The weapons themselves should not be REQ unlocked, especially since new REQS are added each month. There could be a meet up point between the faction and the majority of players by perhaps making REQ categories, such as weapon REQS, vehicle REQS, etc so everyone can unlock what they want.
5. The thing about Halo maps is that each one is different. There is no map, besides Blood Gulch/Truth in the Halo franchise that would automatically be played every time. If you recall, the voting system always allowed people to play different maps.
False… well kind of. I just remember getting beat in a few Warzone matches 3-4 days ago. In either case, i named the wrong game mode and map-my apologies. It was the BTB map that was in space. It had a wraith and the SPNKR, with a large tower structure in the center. Can’t find the name, but I know it came out a while ago and don’t even remember playing it or even seeing it in the map rotation, but then again, I might have only played Warzone for about 20 hours. My brother plays much more Warzone than me and hasn’t seen it either.
In either case, at this rate, with no consensus between the outspoken minority, the silent majority, and 343, I fail to see Bonnie Ross’s vision for Halo to be afloat in 30 years. 10 years, maybe, 20 is a stretch. It’s not going to 30 years.

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Your title suggests that halo 4 is better than halo 5.

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You’d have to be pretty naive to expect 343 to get such a huge franchise right straight out the gate, like anything its a learning process, yes there have been glaring issues with H5, I am confident that in the next incarnation of Halo a significant amount of these will have been addressed or improved upon.

People enjoy laying the blame solely at 343’s feet, but they themselves were rushed by the parent company, there have been murmurings that 343 weren’t quite ready to release the game and wanted to do more but Microsoft didn’t give them a choice. This is never going to be totally confirmed and as such its conjecture but I feel like there is probably alot of truth in it.

While its fine to highlight whats wrong with the game in a constructive manner at this point I don’t think anyone will really be highlighting anything 343 aren’t aware of, so I do see these threads as somewhat pointless and just gives those with a negative agenda a platform to add to the toxicity in the forums. Which is something I really wish the monitors would address but that’s a different story.

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Thank you!!! Finally someone understands!!! Halo 5 is a good game but its a damn disappointment! The amount people who defend all this mediocrity from a AAA title is baffling. Yes H5 is a fun game, yes it adds a few new features but then everyone just pushes out all the negatives, like they don’t exist, they act like nothing is wrong with the game and its frustrating. I agree with all your points OP nice post! I’ve never seen this much toxicity in a community, and its a shame that its all come down to this.

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> > > Ladies and gentlemen, original post #11767 here. The OP has really intrigued me on how original his post about everything wrong with halo 5 is, especially when so many of them exist, and they all say the same thing.
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> > I can’t tell if you’re saying that his points are therefore solidly validated, or if you are complaining? Or both?
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> No its just that these type of post have been done to death and even now theres still a big thread right now just complaing about sprint like yes there are problems with halo 5 **but there are also positives but for some reason people never ever say anything good about halo 5 or 343 its just always the negatives on these forums and it never helps with the development of games.**If the developers keep on seeing negative post day in and day out about their game their not gonna pay attention to the forums and ignore them.Also people act like bungie was so perfect they also had their problems especially now and also people praise halo reach like the best halo game but it was universally hated by the halo community when it was released.Especially now do people really still want bungie to even work on halo anymore look at what they have become almost everyone notable left bungie but idk if i say anything good about halo 4,mcc and halo 5 i will get hated on because peoples opinions are fact for some reason.

Thas statement is so untrue. I mean yes there is a lot of negativity in these forums but the stating that it doesn’t help is absurdly incorrect. Lets say I was trying to get good at something I’m truly passionate about as an example I’ll use football. I WANT people to criticize me, if people just glamor me about what I’m good at then I’ll never fully reach my true potential as I’ll never understand what I could be doing better and how I can be improving my technique, The exact same can be said for game development, if we just praise them then they’ll never understand the flaws of their ways. The fact that we criticize them and they don’t even ACKNOWLEDGE their criticisms is the frustrating part, it shows that they dont truly care about their consumers, and that is extremely asinine. We are the bosses we are the reason Halo is what it is and when they treat us like garbage then yeah you can be expecting a lot more criticism than usual, they don’t get a free pass.

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> > > > Ladies and gentlemen, original post #11767 here. The OP has really intrigued me on how original his post about everything wrong with halo 5 is, especially when so many of them exist, and they all say the same thing.
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> > > I can’t tell if you’re saying that his points are therefore solidly validated, or if you are complaining? Or both?
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> > No its just that these type of post have been done to death and even now theres still a big thread right now just complaing about sprint like yes there are problems with halo 5 **but there are also positives but for some reason people never ever say anything good about halo 5 or 343 its just always the negatives on these forums and it never helps with the development of games.**If the developers keep on seeing negative post day in and day out about their game their not gonna pay attention to the forums and ignore them.Also people act like bungie was so perfect they also had their problems especially now and also people praise halo reach like the best halo game but it was universally hated by the halo community when it was released.Especially now do people really still want bungie to even work on halo anymore look at what they have become almost everyone notable left bungie but idk if i say anything good about halo 4,mcc and halo 5 i will get hated on because peoples opinions are fact for some reason.
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> Thas statement is so untrue. I mean yes there is a lot of negativity in these forums but the stating that it doesn’t help is absurdly incorrect. Lets say I was trying to get good at something I’m truly passionate about as an example I’ll use football. I WANT people to criticize me, if people just glamor me about what I’m good at then I’ll never fully reach my true potential as I’ll never understand what I could be doing better and how I can be improving my technique, The exact same can be said for game development, if we just praise them then they’ll never understand the flaws of their ways. The fact that we criticize them and they don’t even ACKNOWLEDGE their criticisms is the frustrating part, it shows that they dont truly care about their consumers, and that is extremely asinine. We are the bosses we are the reason Halo is what it is and when they treat us like garbage then yeah you can be expecting a lot more criticism than usual, they don’t get a free pass.

Exactly. If we keep glorifying everything, how can things change. Change only comes with criticism.

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> You’d have to be pretty naive to expect 343 to get such a huge franchise right straight out the gate, like anything its a learning process, yes there have been glaring issues with H5, I am confident that in the next incarnation of Halo a significant amount of these will have been addressed or improved upon.
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> People enjoy laying the blame solely at 343’s feet, but they themselves were rushed by the parent company, there have been murmurings that 343 weren’t quite ready to release the game and wanted to do more but Microsoft didn’t give them a choice. This is never going to be totally confirmed and as such its conjecture but I feel like there is probably alot of truth in it.
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> While its fine to highlight whats wrong with the game in a constructive manner at this point I don’t think anyone will really be highlighting anything 343 aren’t aware of, so I do see these threads as somewhat pointless and just gives those with a negative agenda a platform to add to the toxicity in the forums. Which is something I really wish the monitors would address but that’s a different story.

I agree with you that these threads are pointless. However, the problem is not the amount of these threads; its that there are too many of the outspoken minority who keep trying to force Halo to adopt this new modern path that clearly isn’t boding well for the franchise. The problem is, the vast majority of halo fans do not know about this website, and clearly hold the old gameplay in higher regard (look at sales, all data really) and therefore the minority of new-halo lovers is improperly represented as the majority on this website. You are right about the monitors, except most of them have their own words to say about each side. Along with a lack of proper 343-fanbase relations, things are only going to get messier and messier as older fans leave and newer ones come in.
However, I wouldn’t give 343 a break. They have been in charge of Halo since one of the Reach Map Packs 6 YEARS ago.
They have been in charge of developing 3 major Halo games
4 was somewhat forgivable but at the same time a low point of the franchise
MCC: don’t even want to talk about it
5: The potential to become great was there, but 343 messed up by going a leap back whenever they made a positive stride
Don’t forget that 343 inherited the franchise. The building blocks were there, and most of the company knew Halo. Bungie left them everything, to continue building. Its their fault for trying to cement their own legacy instead of just building on from previous games except Reach.
Even if they were pressured, thats not an excuse either. Halo 2 was seriously pressured to come out in 2004. Did you know that most, if not everything in Halo 3 was supposed to be in Halo 2? Imagine if they had 2 more years to make Halo 2… it could’ve been a greatest game of all time contender. In either case, Halo 2 was a major success, despite being a rushed game.
Sorry if this was long, but serious issues need serious explanations.

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Halo Reach was the best. In fact I enjoyed Halo 4 and 5 more than 2 and 3 with the exception of CE. I don’t give a -Yoink- about what critics say or what other people say. It’s up to me to decide what games I like. I am really tired of seeing posts like these that pretty much tell people how to think. None of the games were perfect and criticism is necessary to improve certain aspects in future Halo titles, but there is no correct “criticism” as people in the community have very different opinions about Halo (ex: sprint vs no sprint).

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> > > > Ladies and gentlemen, original post #11767 here. The OP has really intrigued me on how original his post about everything wrong with halo 5 is, especially when so many of them exist, and they all say the same thing.
> > >
> > >
> > > I can’t tell if you’re saying that his points are therefore solidly validated, or if you are complaining? Or both?
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> > No its just that these type of post have been done to death and even now theres still a big thread right now just complaing about sprint like yes there are problems with halo 5 **but there are also positives but for some reason people never ever say anything good about halo 5 or 343 its just always the negatives on these forums and it never helps with the development of games.**If the developers keep on seeing negative post day in and day out about their game their not gonna pay attention to the forums and ignore them.Also people act like bungie was so perfect they also had their problems especially now and also people praise halo reach like the best halo game but it was universally hated by the halo community when it was released.Especially now do people really still want bungie to even work on halo anymore look at what they have become almost everyone notable left bungie but idk if i say anything good about halo 4,mcc and halo 5 i will get hated on because peoples opinions are fact for some reason.
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> Thas statement is so untrue. I mean yes there is a lot of negativity in these forums but the stating that it doesn’t help is absurdly incorrect. Lets say I was trying to get good at something I’m truly passionate about as an example I’ll use football. I WANT people to criticize me, if people just glamor me about what I’m good at then I’ll never fully reach my true potential as I’ll never understand what I could be doing better and how I can be improving my technique, The exact same can be said for game development, if we just praise them then they’ll never understand the flaws of their ways. The fact that we criticize them and they don’t even ACKNOWLEDGE their criticisms is the frustrating part, it shows that they dont truly care about their consumers, and that is extremely asinine. We are the bosses we are the reason Halo is what it is and when they treat us like garbage then yeah you can be expecting a lot more criticism than usual, they don’t get a free pass.

Yes i underatand good things come out of criticisms but its just that theres so many of the same forums over and over and over again every single day and it grts irritating but we also have to say the positives for the game so 343 knows what we like also so they dont mess it up or change it in later halo games but no these forums are either sprint forums or shoulder charge but they almost always don’t give good criticisms it always take this out because I don’t like it.

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Where’s the TLDR?

Seems like you’ve watched a couple halo hate vids and pretty much copied what they say (to which I don’t agree with any of it)

No split screen I can personally live with, black ops 3 (god awful game), the split screen severely reduces the resolution/fps to the point it’s barely playable…

Reqs I can live with, sure there should be more armour/weapons unlocked by doing exclusive in game tasks, but the quality of the monthly dlcs I thinks been good.

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There’s so many of these threads now that it’s ridiculous.