Halo 5 needs to regulate it's nostalgia

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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As the updates flow in, new reqs are added. And old reqs are brought back. For example the SPNKR and the H2BR. I lIke these weapons but I realize they may cause a problem. Halo 5 is being overrun with nostalgia. Normally this is ok, but H5 needs it’s own individuality. Not as drastic as Halo 4, but shown as Halo evolved. It’s getting to the point where these weapons are being jammed into launch maps for the sake of Nostalgia. An example would be the SPNKR in small maps.

And to address the elephant in the room, the reach update. I’m not making this post in offense to it, but it should be the last show of the nostalgia overload.

When I remember playing Halo 5 I want to remember HALO 5. Despite what many claim, H5 brings new possibilities and innovations while grasping the formula of old. And when I want to experience Halo 5 I’ll play Halo 5. If I’m feeling Halo 3 I’ll play H3 because the servers are still up. So yeah

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No

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I will forget about HALO 5 and HALO 4 HALO REACH was the last good HALO in my opinion.

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Any individuality was tossed out the window when 343i reused armor abilities, sprint, and elongated maps consisting of multiple hallways again.

Oh wait, we are talking about weapons? Oh uh, yeah… I dunno what to say, the SPNKr looks a lot better than the Pilum. And the BR55 looks a lot better than the BR85. Especially with that -Yoink!- classic scope animation. Grayed out scope for life.

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> Any individuality was tossed out the window when 343i reused armor abilities, sprint, and elongated maps consisting of multiple hallways again.
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> Oh wait, we are talking about weapons? Oh uh, yeah… I dunno what to say, the SPNKr looks a lot better than the Pilum. And the BR55 looks a lot better than the BR85. Especially with that -Yoink!- classic scope animation. Grayed out scope for life.

Why do people always think that “modern features” instantly ruin originality or the like? A game can still have those and be unique, case in point being Wolfenstein: The New Order.

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The H5 designs are ugly as -Yoink- lol. Id much rather use the spnkr and H2 br cuz they dont have that modern fps look

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> > Any individuality was tossed out the window when 343i reused armor abilities, sprint, and elongated maps consisting of multiple hallways again.
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> > Oh wait, we are talking about weapons? Oh uh, yeah… I dunno what to say, the SPNKr looks a lot better than the Pilum. And the BR55 looks a lot better than the BR85. Especially with that -Yoink!- classic scope animation. Grayed out scope for life.
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> Why do people always think that “modern features” instantly ruin originality or the like? A game can still have those and be unique, case in point being Wolfenstein: The New Order.

Because every game now has those “modern features”. I cry tears of joy every time I hear that a new game that doesn’t have modern gimmicks is being developed, such as Toxikk or DOOM.

Wolfenstein needed a shot in the arm. The last Wolfenstein game was 6 years prior to the New Order, and nobody really knew about it anymore. Halo was not old, its mechanics were not stale, and it was a successful series that had brand recognition. But someone at Bungie decided that Halo needed mechanics that ruined the gameplay, and changed it. It didn’t need to be changed at all.

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343 bring back the old stuff
brings back old stuff
343 give halo 5 it’s own look, get rid of the old stuff

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Because the plasma caster and hydra were clearly in other halos.
Hannibal Scorpion? Clearly a CE knock off.
Shielded banshees? Halo 2 copy.
yup. Nothing in h5 is new.

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> > > Any individuality was tossed out the window when 343i reused armor abilities, sprint, and elongated maps consisting of multiple hallways again.
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> > > Oh wait, we are talking about weapons? Oh uh, yeah… I dunno what to say, the SPNKr looks a lot better than the Pilum. And the BR55 looks a lot better than the BR85. Especially with that -Yoink!- classic scope animation. Grayed out scope for life.
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> > Why do people always think that “modern features” instantly ruin originality or the like? A game can still have those and be unique, case in point being Wolfenstein: The New Order.
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> Because every game now has those “modern features”. I cry tears of joy every time I hear that a new game that doesn’t have modern gimmicks is being developed, such as Toxikk or DOOM.
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> Wolfenstein needed a shot in the arm. The last Wolfenstein game was 6 years prior to the New Order, and nobody really knew about it anymore. Halo was not old, its mechanics were not stale, and it was a successful series that had brand recognition. But someone at Bungie decided that Halo needed mechanics that ruined the gameplay, and changed it. It didn’t need to be changed at all.

Not completely what I was talking about, though. You said that all individuality was tossed out the window because of things like sprint, and I argued that the most recent Wolfenstein has its own identity according to its own community, and it has sprint, ADS, et cetera. I’m speaking in general terms, not just Halo.

And while I do prefer the classic Halo formula, it can still be pulled off just as well with modern features, it’d just be very difficult. There are no bad ideas, only bad executions.

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I’M NOT SAYING GET RID OF WHAT WE HAVE NOW IN THE GAME. THE H2BR AND THE SPNKR ARE YOINKING AWESOME.
Nothing was wrong with the classic formula. Halo should keep elements of the classic formula. When H5 was down, I played some mcc where I refund my love of the older games. But I still felt that need for Halo 5. Didn’t feel it for 4 btw. But gameplay isn’t my argument atm
My argument is that shoving in nostalgic weapons for nostalgia’s sake is bad for the game. Examples would be the SPNKR on Empire. What was wrong with the plasma caster. Rockets DON’T belong on empire. My second example being two hammer Torque. I want to play a game of Halo 5 without exploits being shoved in my face for nostalgias sake. Are the weapons good? Yes they’re amazing. But input them practically into your map design instead of oh hey that’s there. PUT A ROCKET ON IT.

and I have a slight suspension 343 might be trying to sweep something under the rug

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> > > > Any individuality was tossed out the window when 343i reused armor abilities, sprint, and elongated maps consisting of multiple hallways again.
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> > > > Oh wait, we are talking about weapons? Oh uh, yeah… I dunno what to say, the SPNKr looks a lot better than the Pilum. And the BR55 looks a lot better than the BR85. Especially with that -Yoink!- classic scope animation. Grayed out scope for life.
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> > > Why do people always think that “modern features” instantly ruin originality or the like? A game can still have those and be unique, case in point being Wolfenstein: The New Order.
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> > Because every game now has those “modern features”. I cry tears of joy every time I hear that a new game that doesn’t have modern gimmicks is being developed, such as Toxikk or DOOM.
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> > Wolfenstein needed a shot in the arm. The last Wolfenstein game was 6 years prior to the New Order, and nobody really knew about it anymore. Halo was not old, its mechanics were not stale, and it was a successful series that had brand recognition. But someone at Bungie decided that Halo needed mechanics that ruined the gameplay, and changed it. It didn’t need to be changed at all.
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> Not completely what I was talking about, though. You said that all individuality was tossed out the window because of things like sprint, and I argued that the most recent Wolfenstein has its own identity according to its own community, and it has sprint, ADS, et cetera. I’m speaking in general terms, not just Halo.
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> And while I do prefer the classic Halo formula, it can still be pulled off just as well with modern features, it’d just be very difficult. There are no bad ideas, only bad executions.

Because again, Wolfenstein was old, and it needed some way to be relevant. So, they took modern features and put a classic twist to those features. But why are we talking about TNO? TNO is a singleplayer game with no multiplayer anywhere. Halo has multiplayer, and these “features” mess with the formula.

There is a thread in the Halo 5 forums asking for wall running. Almost everybody on Waypoint so far universally agrees that wall running is a bad idea. But 343i can still put wall running in Halo (not in Halo 5, mind you), because it is a “modern” feature, and people would defend that feature in a Halo game, even though most everybody here agrees that it would be a bad design decision. Because that feature is what 343i is betting would bring new people from other games over to Halo.

Also, I do believe that there are bad ideas. Communism, Fascism, and Mob Democracy are part of them. Again, my belief, nobody else has to agree with me.

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I’m of the opinion that you forfeit your expectation for originality and individuality when you purchase a game with a number on the end.

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So you’re saying Halo 5 needs to be it’s own thing, when in reality that ‘thing’ is a Halo game.

Well, could you imagine every new Mustang GT coming out and not offering a 5.0L V8?

That’s Halo 5.

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> I’m of the opinion that you forfeit your expectation for originality and individuality when you purchase a game with a number on the end.

Mmm yeah.

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But halo 5 has its own individually consider the following
• Warzone
• Plasma caster, Hydra
• Ground pound
• Spartan charge
• Several remixed maps
• Microtransactions ( REQs )
• Free updates ( that at times play catch up )
Take them for what you will, but these are some things that separate H5 from the other halos.

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> But halo 5 has its own individually consider the following
> • Warzone
> • Plasma caster, Hydra
> • Ground pound
> • Spartan charge
> • Several remixed maps
> • Microtransactions ( REQs )
> • Free updates ( that at times play catch up )
> Take them for what you will, but these are some things that separate H5 from the other halos.

You know, after reading this and many others, I realize my argument is invalid. So yeah you win this one. Thanks for opening my eyes. Kinda sucks how you can’t delete your own thread.

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LET THE NOSTALGIA RUN WILD!!!

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> > But halo 5 has its own individually consider the following
> > • Warzone
> > • Plasma caster, Hydra
> > • Ground pound
> > • Spartan charge
> > • Several remixed maps
> > • Microtransactions ( REQs )
> > • Free updates ( that at times play catch up )
> > Take them for what you will, but these are some things that separate H5 from the other halos.
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> You know, after reading this and many others, I realize my argument is invalid. So yeah you win this one. Thanks for opening my eyes. Kinda sucks how you can’t delete your own thread.

Ask for a lock of thread, then report it. After that it will get buried like the rest.

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I would like to see the old warthog back as a req.