Halo 5 needs to be "Darker".

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Halo CE, 2, 3, ODST and Reach all had one big thing in common. Humanity was the underdog, the victom, the ones fighting back. Yea the UNSC had Spartans, ODSTS and some badass tech but the Covenant/Flood were always “fudging” them. Humanity for nearly 90% of the War were losing Colonies, death after death, loss after loss.

But Halo 4 has a problem and a gift. In Halo 4 humanity is now a super powerful Galactic “Empire”. With only a few pockets of Storm Covenant and really fight them back. Also Storm is probably 10-20% as Powerful as the Covenant were. But hey lets not get into that.

Halo 4 doesnt have that feeling of helplessness or loss. The Infinity crashes and a few people die and it’s back up like nothing. You don’t feel bad for it, it lands and you say “Oh look, it’s still 100% intact and still running within an hour or two”.

Ok, Sorry I’ll get into Halo 5 now and my point.

Halo 5 needs to set humanity and/or The Infinity as a victom and the underdog again. Have the Infinity take a blow bigger then being down for a few hours. Im talking something that would change the story big time for halo5/halo 6. Such as

1-Infinity being destroyed

2-Having to sacrific the Infinity to destroy something [-Yoink- probably got like 10000000 megatons worth of power behind it)

3-Kill off all the Spartan 4’s or a huge amount of them

4-Elites all becoming against humanity including Arbiter.

5-Elite lead “Covenant” (not storm) including Brutes, Hunters, Jackals, Grunts, Drones, New species.

6-Prometheons get stronger and join Covenant/Storm.

Anyway. Do you agree the Infinity or Humanity should be put back into the bottom slot in Halo 5/6?

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> Halo CE, 2, 3, ODST and Reach all had one big thing in common. Humanity was the underdog, the victom, the ones fighting back. Yea the UNSC had Spartans, ODSTS and some badass tech but the Covenant/Flood were always “fudging” them. Humanity for nearly 90% of the War were losing Colonies, death after death, loss after loss.
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> But Halo 4 has a problem and a gift. In Halo 4 humanity is now a super powerful Galactic “Empire”. With only a few pockets of Storm Covenant and really fight them back. Also Storm is probably 10-20% as Powerful as the Covenant were. But hey lets not get into that.
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> Halo 4 doesnt have that feeling of helplessness or loss. The Infinity crashes and a few people die and it’s back up like nothing. You don’t feel bad for it, it lands and you say “Oh look, it’s still 100% intact and still running within an hour or two”.
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> Ok, Sorry I’ll get into Halo 5 now and my point.
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> Halo 5 needs to set humanity and/or The Infinity as a victom and the underdog again. Have the Infinity take a blow bigger then being down for a few hours. Im talking something that would change the story big time for halo5/halo 6. Such as
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> 1-Infinity being destroyed
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> 2-Having to sacrific the Infinity to destroy something [Yoink! probably got like 10000000 megatons worth of power behind it)
>
> 3-Kill off all the Spartan 4’s or a huge amount of them
>
> 4-Elites all becoming against humanity including Arbiter.
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> 5-Elite lead “Covenant” (not storm) including Brutes, Hunters, Jackals, Grunts, Drones, New species.
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> 6-Prometheons get stronger and join Covenant/Storm.
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> Anyway. Do you agree the Infinity or Humanity should be put back into the bottom slot in Halo 5/6?

  1. Not impossible.

  2. Too cliche IMO, especially since it’s been done several times in the series.

  3. I doubt this would be happen. Mostly because of their shear numbers. Spartans are trained and sent on missions all the time. Think of Planet Vegeta from DBZ, you can kill the planet but there will always be survivors (usually the ones on far off planets that are far enough away to avoid whatever activity killed the majority.)

  4. Most Elites are already against humanity. I cant see why the Arbiter would turn against us.

  5. The Elite ‘led’ splinter of the covenant is storm. the rest of the covenant no longer exists and those who do still believe follow jul Mdama from Storm.

  6. They already joined Storm. Whether or not they still exist or if they were all positioned on Requiem has yet to be seen(?)

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Maybe the return of the flood?
And Didact very possibly being alive.

If Didact has access to forerunner battle ships and Storm covenant behind him, UNSC will have a powerful enemy. And if the flood returns, it would be a war of three armies. And with every human and storm death there could be a rise in flood numbers.

And without Cortana, Chief could be pretty depressed at the loss. And Cortana always was the one who talked during missions. In Halo CE it made a pretty dark feel to the level 343 Guilty Spark when Cortana was not with him. It could even make the flood more scary again.

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I’m sure the next Halo will be darker. That is what has been said in the past by 343i and that the entire reclaimer saga is going to get a big darker.

The above ideas aren’t very good because they sound very cliche and fanfiction-esque. The story will probably get more emotional with a lot of personal stakes on the line in the background of one grand galaxy threatening issue.

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I haven’t been able to find any evidence dated after Halo 4’s release of anyone official saying that any future games will be “darker.” Does anyone have a source for that?

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> I haven’t been able to find any evidence dated after Halo 4’s release of anyone official saying that any future games will be “darker.” Does anyone have a source for that?

I think they said it at some interview, but i cant find proof of it either…

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“The second one in the trilogy will be the darkest game in the series.”

“Things always get worse before they get better.”

Frankie on Halo 5 like 2 or 3 years ago.

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Thank you Roberto, another hate thread bites the dust.

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> “The second one in the trilogy will be the darkest game in the series.”
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> “Things always get worse before they get better.”
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> Frankie on Halo 5 like 2 or 3 years ago.

Link?

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> > “The second one in the trilogy will be the darkest game in the series.”
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> > “Things always get worse before they get better.”
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> > Frankie on Halo 5 like 2 or 3 years ago.
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> Link?

I believe it was Halo Fest, 2011, Halo 4 panel. Ages ago though so that’s a lot of internet to dig through.

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> <mark>Halo 4 doesnt have that feeling of helplessness or loss</mark>. The Infinity crashes and a few people die and it’s back up like nothing. You don’t feel bad for it, it lands and you say “Oh look, it’s still 100% intact and still running within an hour or two”.

Well, I didn’t expect Halo 4 to be like that because

1 - it’s been 4 years since the end of the war

and 2 - the Covenant Empire has collapsed and its nothing but a little terrorist faction.

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Wait, are talking about Halo or Dark Souls?

Sorry, that’s a bit too dark for me.

Shudders

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Halo should indeed be darker again, but not by doing what the OP is saying.
What I believe should happen is this.

1: Artstyle.
Go back to that more mature, gritty artstyle of H2/ODST/Reach. Still plenty of colors, but not too sterile or happyhappyjoyjoy

2: Characters should die.
One thing I do agree on with the OP, some SIV’s should die. Not all of them. But making clear the new batch of Spartans isn’t enough to be triumphant over the Storm/Prometheans should definately happen.

3: Reintroduce the Flood.
In the end, The Flood IS Halo. It is the one thing to which everything else in the universe can be traced back to. Having the Flood back with a vengeance, now that would be great.

4: Show Earth/the colonies/humanity as a whole as not yet fully recoverd.
The timespan between H3 and 4 was too short for the huge recovery of mankind to be believable. It felt off on so many levels. Show mankind rebuilding colonies instead of every city magically being rebuild to ultimate shiny-ness like was implied in H4.

5: Have Chief deal with the loss of Cortana.
No like it was done in H3. But maybe have him be emotionally instable. Have the consequences of his life so far, and his loss of Cortana impact his attitude towards ONI. Make him question his loyalties. Maybe have him confront Halsey?

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Put in a new Forerunner/ Precursor threat and a little trip to the Ark to see our old buddy MB and the plot will take a definite darker route.

Also I want to put 343 down again for good…little tosser killed Johnson.

~ Duck.

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Halo 5 we know will already be darker. Frankie said it in another time, another place. But people are coming up with ways it’ll be ‘darker’ with their own twists of fate. It could easily just be gloomier with events that we already know happened.
Cortana’s gone. So there’s gonna be mourning. Halsey’s gone to the dark side. Minus one limb, but to evil none the less. If she’s got the brains to make the SPARTAN-II program, who knows what she’ll do with Covies. So there’s my two cents.

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i just hope that it won’t be the same soap opera with chief and cortana in h4. it tasted like a hollywood film.it does not fit. they should go back to the ‘employer employee relationship’ between them… even if i know it’s not possible anymore…
i don’t miss cortana that much… and chief going rage because of an AI is like 343 is running out of ideas.
but maybe i’m wrong anyways. just my thoughts.
and yes it definitely should be darker and not portrait the humans like a superior force against the didact and jul since they are more advanced in technology…
and hopefully some deaths of majestic team.

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ONI’s motives should definitely be in question in 5. We know Chief seems to have gone rouge. But we don’t know what the IV’s will do. If ONI does something monumentally sketchy in 5 then I see two possible outcomes.

  1. Chief goes rouge and joins with Halsey who more or less maintains contact with the Covenant.Whether this is good or bad depends on ONI’s situation. After all ONI could break away completely from the ideals of humanity but still enough holds on the UNSC to control it. However I think route number two is better.

  2. Chief runs off immediately after ONI’s sketchy move. Then IV’s slowly join him resulting in a three faction war of Spartan’s & ODSTs vs. Marines & ONI vs Covenant & Prometheans. IF this war does break out I could see at the end of 5 Chief meeting up with Halsey in order to take down ONI. After early on in 6 this takedown occurs then the more powerful army of the Covenant & Reclaimers take on Chief/Spartans & ODSTs & Remaining Marines. Thus the remnants of humanity are up against a bigger threat giving off a much more “darker” tone.

Certainly both these options could be somewhat influenced even greater if we the flood return as well. Either side the flood joins or if sparks another 3 way war is up for grabs though.

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Maybe Chief is sent to kill Halsey but dosen’t go through with the order and goes into hidding. :slight_smile:

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> Maybe Chief is sent to kill Halsey but dosen’t go through with the order and goes into hidding. :slight_smile:

Thus being the situation that sparks the new war.

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> > Maybe Chief is sent to kill Halsey but dosen’t go through with the order and goes into hidding. :slight_smile:
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> Thus being the situation that sparks the new war.

But isn’t a war technically already on?