Ok 343, i have been very impressed with Halo 5 and was blown away with the beta, i agreed with all the post beta changes you announced at the end of the beta. ie; sniper zoom, dmr scope, sprint, base player speed, ground pound remapping, etc. But i am not happy at all with the news you unveiled in the sprint episode saying that the magnum now has a slower firing rate. The magnum in the beta was perfect, why did you change the firing rate!!! a pistol is not supposed shoot slow, its supposed to be a hot swap to finish of a weaker opponent, or in the case of the beta, be a quick firing precision weapon that you can use effectively as a primary against most other weapons. obviously i havent played since the beta and havent gotten to use the new magnum, so i wont judge yet, but i hope you have not messed it up. The magnum was perfect
I hear ya, but from what I’ve seen of Warzone gameplay, the pistol looks pretty good.
Because BR nuts won’t be quiet until BR is the best.
if I remember correctly they buffed the damage and slowed the rate of fire post-beta. Can someone link me to some gameplay from warzone that includes a pistol and a timestamp of the time aswell? I’d like to compare the two.
Also usually when they slow a rate of fire, its almost not noticeable.
i mean it still looks like its good, but it didnt need to be changed in the first place. i would rather have the fire rate then the slight buff to damage
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Be for life, one gun game forever. We are the guardians of the br
The slower rate of fire is the only confirmed thing, that does not necessarily mean it is a net nerf to the pistol.
Josh Holmes post on teambeyond.net indicated that the post-beta pistol is the best its ever felt since CE. There is no confirmation whether the Pistol is has been buffed to a 4 shot or otherwise changed. It wouldn’t make sense to me to just nerf the rate of fire and then claim it is improved over the Beta.
The only other thing I can think of is that is also got some aim assist buffs which I hope is not the case(at least I hope it is not the only ‘buff’).
I felt the Pistol was a little underpowered in the Beta myself and despite the fast killtime it just did not do enough to ward off the BR/DMR/LR/Snipers that a team with map control possesed.
I’m all for a great Pistol as a starting weapon, so I hope Holmes’ post about it being the best pistol since the CE pistol is true.
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Really now? I can’t say I recall anything like BR fans complaining the pistol was somehow too strong during the beta feedback. I saw preferences for BR starts, but that hardly is the same thing as somehow hating that the Pistol had a fast killtime…
i know the slower firing rate is confirmed, that is what i am against. i loved the fast firing rate, it was great, it had a great balance between power and speed. and i am not trying to say im a great player or anything but i could hold my ground at close-mid range against every other gun in the beta when i used a pistol. that was my tool of destruction in team slayer
so they made the magnum suck again. Magnum is my favorite weapon, makes me sad.
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Oh buddy, you don’t hang around with BR enthusiasts as much I reckon, which normally happens when you play the competitive side of things.
That thing has a religion with such folk.
Well it’s a 4 shot kill so there’s that.
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I’ve actually lurked quite a bit in competitive focused forums and have seen plenty of people who have problems with the BR(and burst fire in general). Framing the love for the BR as a solely ‘competitive’ thing is just not telling the whole story. Is there a degree or irrational love for the BR? Yes, but that is honestly to be expected of what was probably the most commonly used weapon during Halo 2/3 which was the peak(as of now) of Halo’s popularity. Plenty of kids grew up playing with the BR in Halo multiplayer so there is going to be a fair bit of nostalgia associated with it.
Its unfair to frame the ‘issue’ of BR fans as solely competitive one when it has a huge casual fanbase. I took issue with that comment because it is an example of unproductive discussion throwing accusation’s against a perceived set of players that only really serves to start fights. Especially when we still do not know the full extent of sandbox changes post Beta.
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> Its unfair to frame the ‘issue’ of BR fans as solely competitive one when it has a huge casual fanbase. I took issue with that comment because it is an example of unproductive discussion throwing accusation’s against a perceived set of players that only really serves to start fights. Especially when we still do not know the full extent of sandbox changes post Beta.
I don’t think it’s really unfair, that’s just the coat of paint the BR has gotten to the eyes of the people.
Whether or not it’s a bad thing depends how far people take it.
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> The slower rate of fire is the only confirmed thing, that does not necessarily mean it is a net nerf to the pistol.
> Josh Holmes post on teambeyond.net indicated that the post-beta pistol is the best its ever felt since CE. There is no confirmation whether the Pistol is has been buffed to a 4 shot or otherwise changed. It wouldn’t make sense to me to just nerf the rate of fire and then claim it is improved over the Beta.
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> Really now? I can’t say I recall anything like BR fans complaining the pistol was somehow too strong during the beta feedback. I saw preferences for BR starts, but that hardly is the same thing as somehow hating that the Pistol had a fast killtime…
I heard that there’s less auto aim in general.
Is that not true for the pistol too?
I’m pretty sure they said in The Sprint that it has a lower firing rate, small damage boost, lower recoil, and a better Smart Scope.
Honestly having the Carbine and the fast-firing pistol in the same sandbox would be kind of redundant. Both are precision hitscan weapons with an insanely high rate of fire, low damage per shot, and medium range.
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if that’s true, then it’s almost like the original Magnum.
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the warzone build must be old then because the pistol was 5sk
2:22 - 2:25 5sk perfect kill medal.They increased the damage so they needed to balance it out by reducing the rate of fire.