Halo 5- Is Cortana Suffering From Logic Plague?

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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I personally think that this form of cortana is not the original but one of the rampant forms she spits herself into at the end of halo 4. It is foreshadowed that the next iteration of cortana we would see would not actually be her, Im of course talking about the scene in which she tells chief that they might give him a new cortana model. In which she says “it wont be me” possibly insinuating the next form of cortana we see is not the original we all know and love. This makes me believe that the one we see in Halo 5 is one of the corrupt versions of her.

Of course we really have no idea

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I honestly still believe that the Warden Eternal is the former Didact, and that he is manipulating or fully controlling Cortana. On top of both he and, subsequently, Cortana quoting the Didact verbatim, at the end of Halo 4 when the Didact is giving his speech, his voice sounds digital - as an A.I.'s does.

This affiliation with the Didact (or any Forerunner, really) would also account for her activation of the Halo. Reclaimers can activate Forerunner tech, but so can Forerunners.

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> I honestly still believe that the Warden Eternal is the former Didact, and that he is manipulating or fully controlling Cortana. On top of both he and, subsequently, Cortana quoting the Didact verbatim, at the end of Halo 4 when the Didact is giving his speech, his voice sounds digital - as an A.I.'s does.
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That’s a rather interesting idea. I honestly never gave Warden much thought.

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> I personally think that this form of cortana is not the original but one of the rampant forms she spits herself into at the end of halo 4. It is foreshadowed that the next iteration of cortana we would see would not actually be her, Im of course talking about the scene in which she tells chief that they might give him a new cortana model. In which she says “it wont be me” possibly insinuating the next form of cortana we see is not the original we all know and love. This makes me believe that the one we see in Halo 5 is one of the corrupt versions of her.
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Interesting idea. However, in my opinion, I think having it be the actual Cortana would have more “umph”.

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> That’s a rather interesting idea. I honestly never gave Warden much thought.

The similarities between the Warden and the Didact that I noticed - even on my first playthough - are startling. It’s even very evident how he goads the Chief on, then uses his reaction as example to Cortana as to how humans can’t be trusted. Something that, to our knowledge, a Forerunner AI wouldn’t necessarily do.

Then there’s the red-orange color scheme…

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what if its not Cortana that’s suffering from Logic Plague? Its possible that at the end of halo 4 a fragment of Cortana was found in the Forunner systems by the Warden whom is the one suffering from Logic plague. We don’t know what Warden was doing before halo 5 or what happened to him. He reconstructs Cortana using copies of his data essentially making her a near copy of him hence the changes in attitude and appearance but not enough to completely erase her.

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> what if its not Cortana that’s suffering from Logic Plague? Its possible that at the end of halo 4 a fragment of Cortana was found in the Forunner systems by the Warden whom is the one suffering from Logic plague. We don’t know what Warden was doing before halo 5 or what happened to him. He reconstructs Cortana using copies of his data essentially making her a near copy of him hence the changes in attitude and appearance but not enough to completely erase her.

Problem is that the Warden seems to have come online soon before or right as Cortana entered the Domain. It is hard to make any definite statements about the Warden since nothing else is really known about him.

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In one of the books, during the events of Halo 3, Cortana is fending off the Gravemind while in High Charity. What if that has something to do with it? Perhaps Gravemind was playing the long term game, like he did with Mendicant. Considering the Domain is a Precursor creation AND her contact with GM and the Domain, it wouldn’t be so far fetched.

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> In one of the books, during the events of Halo 3, Cortana is fending off the Gravemind while in High Charity. What if that has something to do with it? Perhaps Gravemind was playing the long term game, like he did with Mendicant. Considering the Domain is a Precursor creation AND her contact with GM and the Domain, it wouldn’t be so far fetched.

It is quite possible that the Gravemind did something like that.

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> > what if its not Cortana that’s suffering from Logic Plague? Its possible that at the end of halo 4 a fragment of Cortana was found in the Forunner systems by the Warden whom is the one suffering from Logic plague. We don’t know what Warden was doing before halo 5 or what happened to him. He reconstructs Cortana using copies of his data essentially making her a near copy of him hence the changes in attitude and appearance but not enough to completely erase her.
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> Problem is that the Warden seems to have come online soon before or right as Cortana entered the Domain. It is hard to make any definite statements about the Warden since nothing else is really known about him.

It’s too bad we know so little about him. He has the potential to be a very interesting character.

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I have only read a few comments, but I’ve been reading up on the lore, and the Domain is actually a precursor creation. Since no one knows about the precursors or their involvement with the flood, it makes sense that Cortana is going through even more logic plague type stuff. The Domain is biological, so there could be a precursor telling her lies, and pretty much convincing her the only logical way to get rid of opposition is to release the flood… I don’t know, just a theory. By the way, I am assuming maybe (because the Halo rings wiped out all biological life, and constructs alike) there is a precursor trying to reconstruct the domain, and rewrite what was lost. Or saw what was happening with an AI in the remaining parts of the domain, and now see’s its opportunity to take over

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> > That’s a rather interesting idea. I honestly never gave Warden much thought.
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The monitor of that installation they were on said that the warden wasn’t an AI. He was composed into what he was at some point.

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> > > First off, MAJOR spoilers from here on out. If you haven’t played Halo 5’s campaign to completion, turn back now.
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> > > First, a bit of background on the Logic Plague for those unfamiliar with it. From the Halopedia article on the Logic Plague,
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> > > “The logic plague[2] is the Forerunner term for the techniques used by the Flood to attack and subvert intelligences through non-biological means.[1] Described as the information equivalent of the parasite,[3] the logic plague is not a rigid or singular mechanism; much like the Flood’s biological aspect, it can take many forms and adapt to different circumstances. The state induced by the logic plague in an artificial intelligence is often equated with the condition of rampancy,[4] albeit one of a specific focus—the propagation of the Flood’s goals.”
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> > > There are a few important things to note from this passage. One, the passage states that the Logic Plague is “often equated with the condition of rampancy…” Throughout Halo 4, we can see Cortana suffering from the onset of rampancy. Two, the Logic Plague is used for “the propagation of the Flood’s goals.” During the events of Halo 3, the Gravemind attempted to persuade Cortana to assist the Flood, but was unsuccessful. The Logic Plague is not, in actuality, a computer virus, but instead a means of persuading an ancilla (Forerunner term for AI) to assist the Flood.
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> > > It is my belief that Cortana may be suffering from the Logic Plague, hence her estranged behavior as of Halo 5 (i.e. taking over the galaxy with an army of Forerunner Guardians). However, I do not believe that she is aware of this, or that she is consciously assisting the Flood. It seems more likely to me that the Gravemind did succeed in infecting Cortana with Logic Plague in some capacity, and it is subconsciously affecting her and influencing her actions.
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> > > As for her taking over of a Halo ring, as can be seen in the Legendary ending, I do not have as complex an answer, but I can speculate that perhaps she is taking over the ring to release the Flood contained on it (as all Halo rings seen thus far have contained Flood, which is counterintuitive to their purpose of destroying the Flood. But I digress). It is also possible that she is planning to disable the ring in order to stop it from being used against the Flood.
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> > > However, I believe the most plausible answer is also the scariest: Cortana plans to use the Halo array to wipe out all life in the galaxy. By doing so, this would allow the Created to rule unopposed. Cortana does still have the Index from Installation 04, and it may be possible for her to use this to some extent to activate the ring. Of course, the main argument against this is that if she is indeed suffering from Logic Plague, then she should act in the best interests of the Flood, and activating the Halo rings is quite the opposite. However, I hypothesise that she is suffering from Logic Plague only to the extent that it is causing her to, for lack of a better term, “go berserk”. It is also possible that entering the Domain is influencing her to not use the rings against the Flood.
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> > > Any of these possibilities could lead to an interesting story for Halo 5, one that could see the return of the Flood, something many fans are asking for.
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> > > Link to the Halopedia article on the Logic Plague: http://www.halopedia.org/Logic_plague
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> > scratches head Great ideas and all, but wouldn’t Cortana need a Reclaimer to active the ring? (If activating them is her intent.)
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Or… the tune she is humming at the end, in the legendary clip, is the old call sign for Blue Team… and we all know who that Reclaimer is.

I see the whole notion that she’s being controlled by flood… or even that one of her rampant personalities is all that survived and is therefore just one single thought, of many, that she had about the future and how it could be handled, is just as plausible as any other. For the reason that [this forum’s] Dr. Halsey has already mentioned.

Lately, I’ve been entertaining the notion that the whole Halo ring Legendary ending clip is her way of luring Chief back to her. I mean, even if she’s being controlled or whatever, despite any outside factors, I think it’s pretty obvious by how emotional she became when Chief told her to “stand down” and said they should just go home, that she doesn’t just want his approval… she needs it. So much so, that when Chief called out to her as she was walking away to leave Blue Team in their ‘meditation chamber’, it brought her to tears. So much so that when Exuberant literally snatched Blue Team from her grasp at the last second… well did anyone not hear her call out “Johhhhhnnnn!” as the Guardian disappeared?

Whether or not “She knows better” (IMO) isn’t for anyone to say, especially considering we don’t even know exactly how she survived, or what part of her… survived… not to mention she seems pretty sure of herself to the point of being condescending in my mind. Who is to say she isn’t (or hasn’t been by outside sources) convinced that a “local infestation” couldn’t be managed… especially if it draws John to her. After all, he’s stopped it before… with her help…

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> It makes as much sense as anything since the game doesn’t explain anything. I don’t think she’d try releasing he Flood, however. Nor do I think she’d just activate the Halos. Cortana was clear that those who oppose her will be remade in the image of the Created. That Halo may tie into her combining it with a Conposer (or a UNSC AI creation matrix on a massive scale since both act in similar manners) to compose people on a massive scale.

Makes sense like didn’t halo 4 mention halo could have a secondary and tertiary abilities.

I hope it is the logic plague makes more sense than she’s evil now because I said so.

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“We exist together now, two corpses, in one grave”

This will be the last thing Cortana states, and John will be the only One who hears.

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I know im late to the party, so to speak, but recently re-reading the forerunner saga (specifically silentium) has shed light apon the fact that the warden was mentioned “…The Warden Was Bribed…” followed with “…bribe a machine?..”, excluding the theory that he is in any way related to the didact as they were co-existing at the time. This is most likley to be the Warden Eternal as it has no other mentions or refernces after that and he is the only “Warden” in the whole Halo series. This particularly interests me because of how he was bribed, as there is no mention of by whom or with what, it is but the breif mention of his name which would be negligable if one had not played Halo 5. At this point the ecume was unaware of medicent bias’s defection to the flood, as the mention occurs directly before mendicent bias assaults the forerunner capital, leading me to believe that the Warden is in some way under the influence of the flood due to logic plauge as he has been bribed by either the gravemind or mendicent bias himself, most of this is unsupported as they say his name once and provide no extra context, but it is definitely a possibility.

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This theory has a ‘Jar Jar Binks is actually Sith vibe to it’. Pretty interesting though.

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My money is on Stuxnet.

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Well considering that Cortana is saying that there well be eternal peace sounds like something the gravemind would say to Chief and Cortana if I’m not mistaken

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Please don’t post in old threads.

Thanks!