I’m curious on every ones opinion about 343’s future if Halo 5 is anything less than great… My opinion on the matter is well they’ve had two strikes with Halo 4 and MCC. They say they’ve learned from their mistakes when they created Halo 4 then the MCC mess came out. I have little faith in them to get anything right. I really want Halo 5 to be good but if it’s not, everyone at 343 should lose their job for disrespecting and ruining one of the most popular entertainment franchise.
You should lose everything you have for saying something like that. I know they did things wrong, but wishing that an entire company loses their jobs isn’t the way to go.
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> I’m curious on every ones opinion about 343’s future if Halo 5 is anything less than great… My opinion on the matter is well they’ve had two strikes with Halo 4 and MCC. They say they’ve learned from their mistakes when they created Halo 4 then the MCC mess came out. I have little faith in them to get anything right. I really want Halo 5 to be good but if it’s not, everyone at 343 should lose their job for disrespecting and ruining one of the most popular entertainment franchise.
Lmfao ok. Wishing unemployment on ppl now a days eh damn. Whether or not their vision of halo is your cup of team. Even if mo the after halo 5 drops and what a lot of you predicted about the only fanbase happens. Halo 5 will hit its sales goal, 343 will make its quota, Microsoft will make its money, ppl will play the game sooo no they won’t get fired lol they will be right back for halo 6.
I sincerely hope lightning strikes you down from the power of the livelihoods you want compromised because of your selfish, wishful thinking.
-Learned from their mistakes when they made Halo 4? They hadn’t made any game previous to H4
-Wants hundreds of people to lose their job because Halo isn’t what pictured it to be. That’s just a little off the deep end m8.
OP acts like MCC was plagued by the mistakes of Halo 4. Are there really still people out there who think MCC was broken because 343 is incompetent? There were so many factors that all led up to the inevitable launch state we got.
The mistakes from Halo 4 were gameplay mistakes; they made gameplay changes (loadouts, perks, AA’s, Ordinance, etc.) that people didn’t approve of, so they learned from that and are doing better for Halo 5 (spoiler alert: the beta was excellent and just goes to show that they have indeed learned from their mistakes).
As a 343 supporter, I do agree with the title of this thread. I do think that Halo 5 is their last chance to prove their worth to the Halo community, but OP went completely off the deep end when he said they should all be fired if Halo 5 isn’t perfect. It is their last chance in the sense that if Halo 5 doesn’t go over well with the majority of players, they will lose those players under the “3 strikes, you’re out” trope.
Personally, whether Halo 5’s multiplayer is good or not, I intend to buy all future Halos because the story is what matters to me, and 343 has proven that they can write a great story. I know there are plenty of other people with a similar mindset, but I’m not sure if there are enough of us to make up for the potential loss of multiplayer-centric players after Halo 5.
In short, I agree with OP’s original statement to an extent, but he’s a complete goober for suggesting that 343 lose their jobs for “disrespecting and ruining” a great series. Don’t act like it’s an objective statement to say that they’ve disrespected and ruined Halo, that’s just naive.
Halo 4 was their first game. It wasn’t even that bad considering they would have to contend with fan expectations. Yeah, there was a lot of broken elements in Halo 4’s multiplayer and an unsuccessful attempt to integrate popular FPS trends into the Halo series. But it was still a fun game that achieved a good critical reception, accolades and good sales. There’s also a lot of good in Halo 4 that people commonly ignore. The story was vastly improved, the character development was some of the best we’ve seen out of the franchise, there were a lot of inventive new weapons and the graphics were amazing for 2012 on the Xbox 360.
The MCC was also pretty great as a concept. Even if it didn’t arrive in a perfect state and it took a while to fix, it’s still really fun and a genius idea. It didn’t work because it was developed by numerous companies and it was the first time anybody had experience with a project that huge. It’s important to note that 343 could have just released an Anniversary Edition of Halo 2, but they decided to bring the full Halo experience to the Xbox One. Partially to compensate the shortcomings of Halo 4. It might not have been perfect near launch, but I’m still extremely grateful that they would do this to revitalize our interest in Halo. The game is already working quite well for a lot of people – myself included. And it’s important to note that we are being compensated for it this month.
Halo 5 is shaping up pretty well and they have acknowledged and continue to respond to fan feedback. Honestly, I think some fans just want to -Yoink- of 343 for the sake of Yoinking! on 343. Wishing that hundreds of people lose their jobs? That’s pretty messed up. It’s almost as bad as those people that wish 343 members would die. Rather, I’d personally wish that the franchise continues to succeed and that 343 continue to listen to feedback and improve their games.
I don’t consider Halo 4 a “strike” against them. That wasn’t a broken game; they just tried something different that, although critically acclaimed, wasn’t well received by many (I like it).
MCC is definitely a strike, though. But not enough to put me off of buying Halo 5.
I wouldn’t like to be in their shoes that’s for sure.
Halo is in a vulnerable state right now as people are starting to question everything.
Does the series honor it’s roots?
Is it fresh, is it modern enough?
What makes Halo Halo?
It’s a delicate balancing act. No matter what you do - someone is sure to be pissed.
My main concern is: Can the team leave all this enormous pressure behind and create something really unique, something we havn’t experienced in a Halo game before? Something that blows everyone’s minds?
I can’t wait to see what they have achieved with an established team (imagine that horror to create a Halo game from scratch aka H4) and a full three year developement cycle.
Will it be 343i’s last chance?
I doubt it!
If H5’s crashs and burns (horrible launch issues, bad critical response) I can definitely see some structural or personal changes but despite what fans think… H4 as a newly formed studio’s first game wasn’t bad (Metacritic 87%) - it just didn’t deliver what many fans wanted.
I however think some people should check their expectations: Bungie’s goodbye was a huge blow to this franchise… and it’s not surprising at all that the transition phase was and is a rough one.
If it were so easy to form a second Bungie within a couple of years everybody would do that in a heartbeat.
But the truth fans ignore is: It takes a lot of ressources including money and time - and of course the right talents and a studio that is more than the sum of its parts (coworkers).
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> I don’t consider Halo 4 a “strike” against them. That wasn’t a broken game; they just tried something different that, although critically acclaimed, wasn’t well received by many (I like it).
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> MCC is definitely a strike, though. But not enough to put me off of buying Halo 5.
Exactly. Neither do I, but I know that a lot of other people do. Some people can’t distinguish between “broken” and “not what I wanted”.
I don’t even consider MCC to be a strike against them, that game was doomed from inception to be a mess at launch, I’m just glad it’s mostly fixed now.
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> > I don’t consider Halo 4 a “strike” against them. That wasn’t a broken game; they just tried something different that, although critically acclaimed, wasn’t well received by many (I like it).
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> > MCC is definitely a strike, though. But not enough to put me off of buying Halo 5.
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> Exactly. Neither do I, but I know that a lot of other people do. Some people can’t distinguish between “broken” and “not what I wanted”.
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> I don’t even consider MCC to be a strike against them, that game was doomed from inception to be a mess at launch, I’m just glad it’s mostly fixed now.
What I find really sad is that people only see the bad things. Yes, the MCC was broken for a very long time (and has it’s problems even now) for which there is no excuse…
… but people forget that it showed a lot of goodwill and love for the fans too.
Seriously?
H1-H4 in one package? All the work behind the H2 remaster?
Sony releases one (!) GoW game as a remaster - and before 343i noone tried anything similar.
So yeah, it was disappointing in the end.
But it’s not like I have the feeling that 343i tried to cheat us all.
It’s sad for everyone, including 343i.
Just think about it: If the MCC worked from the get-go they would be in everyone’s good books and there would be much more hype and good feelings for H5.
To be honest I have complete faith in them developing an awesome game both story and MP wise. The thing I am worries about is the MP connectivity, I really don’t want another MCC type situation because that really hurt 343’s and Microsoft’s rep.
the only thing I felt brought halo 4 down was the massive change to the MP and a shift in gameplay but apart from that I was happy enough. No complaints with Spartan assault for what it was. Haven’t tried Spartan strike but seems a similar situation to Spartan assault. The halo 5 beta was awesome and I didn’t see any connection issues so I have complete faith in 343 to deliver on Halo 5. Their only downfall was the connectivity with MCC.
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> > > I don’t consider Halo 4 a “strike” against them. That wasn’t a broken game; they just tried something different that, although critically acclaimed, wasn’t well received by many (I like it).
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> > > MCC is definitely a strike, though. But not enough to put me off of buying Halo 5.
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> > Exactly. Neither do I, but I know that a lot of other people do. Some people can’t distinguish between “broken” and “not what I wanted”.
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> > I don’t even consider MCC to be a strike against them, that game was doomed from inception to be a mess at launch, I’m just glad it’s mostly fixed now.
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> What I find really sad is that people only see the bad things. Yes, the MCC was broken for a very long time (and has it’s problems even now) for which there is no excuse…
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> … but people forget that it showed a lot of goodwill and love for the fans too.
> Seriously?
> H1-H4 in one package? All the work behind the H2 remaster?
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> Sony releases one (!) GoW game as a remaster - and before 343i noone tried anything similar.
> So yeah, it was disappointing in the end.
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> But it’s not like I have the feeling that 343i tried to cheat us all.
> It’s sad for everyone, including 343i.
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> Just think about it: If the MCC worked from the get-go they would be in everyone’s good books and there would be much more hype and good feelings for H5.
Well I certainly appreciate it. Over 170 hours played and I’m less than 100 achievements to go. Its the only thing I’ve been played nightly for the longest time.
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> > I don’t consider Halo 4 a “strike” against them. That wasn’t a broken game; they just tried something different that, although critically acclaimed, wasn’t well received by many (I like it).
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> > MCC is definitely a strike, though. But not enough to put me off of buying Halo 5.
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> Exactly. Neither do I, but I know that a lot of other people do. Some people can’t distinguish between “broken” and “not what I wanted”.
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> I don’t even consider MCC to be a strike against them, that game was doomed from inception to be a mess at launch, I’m just glad it’s mostly fixed now.
The MCC is the greatest video game ever made. I’d have paid $100 just for all four campaigns alone at 60fps. But it certainly was a strike in regards to their reputation. Especially since many Halo fans don’t even touch the campaigns.
I think it’s just the nature of a lot of gamers. I have friends who left Assassin’s Creed after AC3 because it wasn’t very good. That’s it. It wasn’t broken, it just wasn’t that great. One mediocre game and they’re gone. Which I suppose when you consider the price tag of games, they ought to be good, but I’m a tad more forgiving, I guess.
Of course, I did the same thing with CoD. After MW3, I thought “how many times am I going to buy this same damn game?” which is a bit ironic because that’s what a lot of Halo fans want; to buy Halo 2 & 3 every couple of years.
And they’re the same people that call H2A a re-skinned Halo 4 without sprint (wasn’t that what they wanted?) and then they say “we don’t want a clone of Halo 3, we want a NEW game that plays exactly like Halo 3” and everyone is supposed to think that makes sense and that if they were to get that game they wouldn’t call it a “re-skinned Halo 5 without abilities”.
It’s like that miserable old bloke who comes into my restaurant every day, yet he complains and sends his food back every day and says it’s not as good as it used to be … every day. I know he’s been going there for decades, but if it’s no longer enjoyable, it’s time to try a new restaurant. Maybe he’s the OP; “everyone here should be fired!” lol
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> > I don’t consider Halo 4 a “strike” against them. That wasn’t a broken game; they just tried something different that, although critically acclaimed, wasn’t well received by many (I like it).
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> > MCC is definitely a strike, though. But not enough to put me off of buying Halo 5.
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> Exactly. Neither do I, but I know that a lot of other people do. Some people can’t distinguish between “broken” and “not what I wanted”.
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> I don’t even consider MCC to be a strike against them, that game was doomed from inception to be a mess at launch, I’m just glad it’s mostly fixed now.
All I can say is wow. Not a strike against them? Is their name on the box? Yes. Was launch of MCC the biggest disaster in gaming history? Yes. Does the game still have hundreds of glitches SIX MONTHS later? Yes.
Yeah you’re right though… 343i is totally not to blame. It was destined to be a failure… how could they possibly fix all of those glitches/broken multiplayer that the original Halo’s had… oh wait… they’re all new glitches. Sound logic 343i Fanboy.
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> I don’t consider Halo 4 a “strike” against them. That wasn’t a broken game; they just tried something different that, although critically acclaimed, wasn’t well received by many (I like it).
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> MCC is definitely a strike, though. But not enough to put me off of buying Halo 5.
Yeah, the hate Halo 4 gets is a textbook example of the false consensus effect. Some people get together and agree that they don’t like Halo 4, and assume that every one else has the same opinion as well.
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> > > I don’t consider Halo 4 a “strike” against them. That wasn’t a broken game; they just tried something different that, although critically acclaimed, wasn’t well received by many (I like it).
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> > > MCC is definitely a strike, though. But not enough to put me off of buying Halo 5.
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> > Exactly. Neither do I, but I know that a lot of other people do. Some people can’t distinguish between “broken” and “not what I wanted”.
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> > I don’t even consider MCC to be a strike against them, that game was doomed from inception to be a mess at launch, I’m just glad it’s mostly fixed now.
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> All I can say is wow. Not a strike against them? Is their name on the box? Yes. Was launch of MCC the biggest disaster in gaming history? Yes. Does the game still have hundreds of glitches SIX MONTHS later? Yes.
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> Yeah you’re right though… 343i is totally not to blame. It was destined to be a failure… how could they possibly fix all of those glitches/broken multiplayer that the original Halo’s had… oh wait… they’re all new glitches. Sound logic 343i Fanboy.
The MCC was a collaboration, 343 and three other companies worked on it. All of the blame does not go to 343.
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> > > > I don’t consider Halo 4 a “strike” against them. That wasn’t a broken game; they just tried something different that, although critically acclaimed, wasn’t well received by many (I like it).
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> > > > MCC is definitely a strike, though. But not enough to put me off of buying Halo 5.
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> > > Exactly. Neither do I, but I know that a lot of other people do. Some people can’t distinguish between “broken” and “not what I wanted”.
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> > > I don’t even consider MCC to be a strike against them, that game was doomed from inception to be a mess at launch, I’m just glad it’s mostly fixed now.
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> > All I can say is wow. Not a strike against them? Is their name on the box? Yes. Was launch of MCC the biggest disaster in gaming history? Yes. Does the game still have hundreds of glitches SIX MONTHS later? Yes.
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> > Yeah you’re right though… 343i is totally not to blame. It was destined to be a failure… how could they possibly fix all of those glitches/broken multiplayer that the original Halo’s had… oh wait… they’re all new glitches. Sound logic 343i Fanboy.
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> The MCC was a collaboration, 343 and three other companies worked on it. All of the blame does not go to 343.
Who was in charge of the project? 343i.
Stop making excuses for them.
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> > > I don’t consider Halo 4 a “strike” against them. That wasn’t a broken game; they just tried something different that, although critically acclaimed, wasn’t well received by many (I like it).
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> > > MCC is definitely a strike, though. But not enough to put me off of buying Halo 5.
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> > Exactly. Neither do I, but I know that a lot of other people do. Some people can’t distinguish between “broken” and “not what I wanted”.
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> > I don’t even consider MCC to be a strike against them, that game was doomed from inception to be a mess at launch, I’m just glad it’s mostly fixed now.
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> The MCC is the greatest video game ever made. I’d have paid $100 just for all four campaigns alone at 60fps. But it certainly was a strike in regards to their reputation. Especially since many Halo fans don’t even touch the campaigns.
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> I think it’s just the nature of a lot of gamers. I have friends who left Assassin’s Creed after AC3 because it wasn’t very good. That’s it. It wasn’t broken, it just wasn’t that great. One mediocre game and they’re gone. Which I suppose when you consider the price tag of games, they ought to be good, but I’m a tad more forgiving, I guess.
>
> Of course, I did the same thing with CoD. After MW3, I thought “how many times am I going to buy this same damn game?” which is a bit ironic because that’s what a lot of Halo fans want; to buy Halo 2 & 3 every couple of years.
>
> And they’re the same people that call H2A a re-skinned Halo 4 without sprint (wasn’t that what they wanted?) and then they say “we don’t want a clone of Halo 3, we want a NEW game that plays exactly like Halo 3” and everyone is supposed to think that makes sense and that if they were to get that game they wouldn’t call it a “re-skinned Halo 5 without abilities”.
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> It’s like that miserable old bloke who comes into my restaurant every day, yet he complains and sends his food back every day and says it’s not as good as it used to be … every day. I know he’s been going there for decades, but if it’s no longer enjoyable, it’s time to try a new restaurant. Maybe he’s the OP; “everyone here should be fired!” lol
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Oh god yes this! It’s so strange and confusing to see people on here every day posting hate and negativity about how much they hate 343i and Halo yet they’re still here! If you’re unhappy, wouldn’t it make sense to go find someplace else to be happy? I understand that if people are super fans of Halo, they would hang out here but if Halo is making you unhappy and it’s going in the direction you don’t like, maybe it’s time for a change?
Anyways…
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> > > > > MCC is definitely a strike, though. But not enough to put me off of buying Halo 5.
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> > > > Exactly. Neither do I, but I know that a lot of other people do. Some people can’t distinguish between “broken” and “not what I wanted”.
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> > > > I don’t even consider MCC to be a strike against them, that game was doomed from inception to be a mess at launch, I’m just glad it’s mostly fixed now.
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> > > All I can say is wow. Not a strike against them? Is their name on the box? Yes. Was launch of MCC the biggest disaster in gaming history? Yes. Does the game still have hundreds of glitches SIX MONTHS later? Yes.
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> > > Yeah you’re right though… 343i is totally not to blame. It was destined to be a failure… how could they possibly fix all of those glitches/broken multiplayer that the original Halo’s had… oh wait… they’re all new glitches. Sound logic 343i Fanboy.
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> > The MCC was a collaboration, 343 and three other companies worked on it. All of the blame does not go to 343.
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> Who was in charge of the project? 343i.
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> Stop making excuses for them.
It’s not an excuse, it is a fact.
I’d appreciate it if people would stop exaggerating the problems with the MCC and stop treating 343 like the anti-christ.