Halo 5 Hints in Halo 4

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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I recently re-watched the ending to Halo 4 [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyyckYKgPRc ] and couldn’t help but notice the similarities of the Chief and the Didact. Both of these guys are considered to be the greatest warriors within their race, and both of them have set out on this journey to save their race from oblivion. The Didact was seen as too extreme and was punished by being sent away, and now we have these new trailers where it is suggesting that chief has done something rather extreme and is now being punished.

Looking back to ancient humans in the universe, they were willing to also do extreme things to ensure life would continue (this included destroying entire planets to stop the flood). I think this combined with their surge of advancement is why the other forerunners agreed it was time to pass on the mantle to ancient humans, but as we all know the didact didn’t feel the same way. The Librarian hid things within our DNA when we were punished and forced to recede to lesser beings. These seeds would eventually shape us back into the beings that had the ability to hold the mantle of responsibility, and the Chief / Halsey is where these seeds have led.

Jumping back to the Halo 4 ending we have the speech given by the Didact while the focus is on the Chief and the composed (destroyed some would say) city. I leave you with this quote:

> I stand before you. Accused of the sin of ensuring Forerunner ascendancy. Of attempting to save us from this fate where we are forced to… recede…Think of my acts as you will. But do not doubt the reality, The reclamation… has already begun.

Maybe John and the Didact aren’t so different. Maybe the good he is doing is for the greater good, and that isn’t seen as acceptable to the higher powers (ONI). I think 343i is pretty good at hiding things in clever ways / foreshadowing for future events.

Thoughts?

Edit 1: For those who don’t always like to read every comment I am quoting a good theory that can be found below in this thread: Thank you to LuGer33

> No, I mean the Iso-Didact.
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> Didn’t you guys read the end of the last Forerunner book? When it’s revealed the Iso-Didact is the one who fired the array and he asks 343 GS, “if it were you, would you do it?” And then GS says to Chief in Halo CE, “why would you hesitate to do what you did before? When you asked me last time if I would do it, my answer hasn’t changed–we must destroy the Flood.”
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> It’s only a theory, but it’s one that is somewhat widely held. Not a huge fan of Halo Follower, but he sums it up well. You are right that a cross-species geas is one potential pitfall since that’s never been seen before. But hey, Chief is the chosen one, right?
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> Anyway, to come full circle to the OP here, if the Ur-Didact imprinted Bornstellar who became the Iso-Didact and was imprinted onto Chief’s ancestors by Chant-to-Green, and then that geas was “activated” by the Librarian in Halo 4, it’s possible that Chief might start to act more like the Ur-Didact and his story in Halo 5 and future Halo games could follow that path.
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> (I can only imagine how outrageous that last sentence sounds to someone unfamiliar with the Forerunner lore, haha)

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Bump :slight_smile: someone reply

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It’s a good catch. Characters with opposing views that harmoniously contradict each other, and showing those contradicting motives in parallels is good story telling. 343 obviously knew the direction they wanted to take the series, and knew the story of Halo 5 prior to ever making it, so it makes sense that they would include something like this at the end of 4. The problem is, very few people are going to catch it and appreciate it, because Halo 4 was released years ago and that speech at the end, though one of the best parts of the game, was obscure and seemingly random in the context of Halo 4’s story. I wonder if many people will catch the parallel you have.

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> It’s a good catch. Characters with opposing views that harmoniously contradict each other, and showing those contradicting motives in parallels is good story telling. 343 obviously knew the direction they wanted to take the series, and knew the story of Halo 5 prior to ever making it, so it makes sense that they would include something like this at the end of 4. The problem is, very few people are going to catch it and appreciate it, because Halo 4 was released years ago and that speech at the end, though one of the best parts of the game, was obscure and seemingly random in the context of Halo 4’s story. I wonder if many people will catch the parallel have.

I agree! This also requires knowing some lore throughout the Halo Universe. Reading the Forerunner saga gives a lot of insight and 343i tried including it in Halo 4, but I think those that don’t know much about Halo history still found themselves a little lost.

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> I stand before you. Accused of the sin of ensuring Humanity’s ascendancy. Of attempting to save us from this fate where we are forced to… recede…Think of my acts as you will. But do not doubt the reality, The reclamation… has already begun.

Oooooooooooooooooooooooh goosebumps

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> > It’s a good catch. Characters with opposing views that harmoniously contradict each other, and showing those contradicting motives in parallels is good story telling. 343 obviously knew the direction they wanted to take the series, and knew the story of Halo 5 prior to ever making it, so it makes sense that they would include something like this at the end of 4. The problem is, very few people are going to catch it and appreciate it, because Halo 4 was released years ago and that speech at the end, though one of the best parts of the game, was obscure and seemingly random in the context of Halo 4’s story. I wonder if many people will catch the parallel that you have.
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> I agree! This also requires knowing some lore throughout the Halo Universe. Reading the Forerunner saga gives a lot of insight and 343i tried including it in Halo 4, but I think those that don’t know much about Halo history still found themselves a little lost.

I am a bit worried with 343’s ability to tell a self-contained story in-game. It wasn’t done well in Halo 4, IMO, and it appears that they have no intention of correcting course with Halo 5, as numerous comics and books are being released leading up to Halo 5 that are apparently canon. Let’s hope I don’t have to bounce around between waypoint videos and the game at least to know what the hell is going on.

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> > > It’s a good catch. Characters with opposing views that harmoniously contradict each other, and showing those contradicting motives in parallels is good story telling. 343 obviously knew the direction they wanted to take the series, and knew the story of Halo 5 prior to ever making it, so it makes sense that they would include something like this at the end of 4. The problem is, very few people are going to catch it and appreciate it, because Halo 4 was released years ago and that speech at the end, though one of the best parts of the game, was obscure and seemingly random in the context of Halo 4’s story. I wonder if many people will catch the parallel that you have.
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> I am a bit worried with 343’s ability to tell a self-contained story in-game. It wasn’t done well in Halo 4, IMO, and it appears that they have no intention of correcting course with Halo 5, as numerous comics and books are being released leading up to Halo 5 that are apparently canon. Let’s hope I don’t have to bounce around between waypoint videos and the game at least to know what the hell is going on.

I think they’ve already said that some of the events covered in the comics are leading towards Halo 5

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> > It’s a good catch. Characters with opposing views that harmoniously contradict each other, and showing those contradicting motives in parallels is good story telling. 343 obviously knew the direction they wanted to take the series, and knew the story of Halo 5 prior to ever making it, so it makes sense that they would include something like this at the end of 4. The problem is, very few people are going to catch it and appreciate it, because Halo 4 was released years ago and that speech at the end, though one of the best parts of the game, was obscure and seemingly random in the context of Halo 4’s story. I wonder if many people will catch the parallel have.
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> I agree! This also requires knowing some lore throughout the Halo Universe. Reading the Forerunner saga gives a lot of insight and 343i tried including it in Halo 4, but I think those that don’t know much about Halo history still found themselves a little lost.

Well I mean Chief has the Iso-Didact’s geas, right? So this would make a lot of sense.

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> > > It’s a good catch. Characters with opposing views that harmoniously contradict each other, and showing those contradicting motives in parallels is good story telling. 343 obviously knew the direction they wanted to take the series, and knew the story of Halo 5 prior to ever making it, so it makes sense that they would include something like this at the end of 4. The problem is, very few people are going to catch it and appreciate it, because Halo 4 was released years ago and that speech at the end, though one of the best parts of the game, was obscure and seemingly random in the context of Halo 4’s story. I wonder if many people will catch the parallel have.
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> Well I mean Chief has the Iso-Didact’s geas, right? So this would make a lot of sense.

Does he? I don’t remember reading that anywhere but I guess it’s possible. The only time I remember reading about geas was with the ancient humans and their devolved ancestors. So I think it would make more since to have a human geas rather than a forerunner one.

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I wasn’t as big of fan of the halo 4 story, but I’m really digging this new viral campaign from 343. I’m looking forward to this “man hunt” game.

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> I recently re-watched the ending to Halo 4 [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyyckYKgPRc ] and couldn’t help but notice the similarities of the Chief and the Didact. Both of these guys are considered to be the greatest warriors within their race, and both of them have set out on this journey to save their race from oblivion. The Didact was seen as too extreme and was punished by being sent away, and now we have these new trailers where it is suggesting that chief has done something rather extreme and is now being punished.
>
> Looking back to ancient humans in the universe, they were willing to also do extreme things to ensure life would continue (this included destroying entire planets to stop the flood). I think this combined with their surge of advancement is why the other forerunners agreed it was time to pass on the mantle to ancient humans, but as we all know the didact didn’t feel the same way. The Librarian hid things within our DNA when we were punished and forced to recede to lesser beings. These seeds would eventually shape us back into the beings that had the ability to hold the mantle of responsibility, and the Chief / Halsey is where these seeds have led.
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> Jumping back to the Halo 4 ending we have the speech given by the Didact while the focus is on the Chief and the composed (destroyed some would say) city. I leave you with this quote:
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> > I stand before you. Accused of the sin of ensuring Forerunner ascendancy. Of attempting to save us from this fate where we are forced to… recede…Think of my acts as you will. But do not doubt the reality, The reclamation… has already begun.
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> Maybe John and the Didact aren’t so different. Maybe the good he is doing is for the greater good, and that isn’t seen as acceptable to the higher powers (ONI). I think 343i is pretty good at hiding things in clever ways / foreshadowing for future events.
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you just blew my mind! xD, Has it been explained why john could hear the didact in his head and cortana couldnt? people say thats cause of an ISO didact geas, but what if he actually has the Ur’s!

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> > > > It’s a good catch. Characters with opposing views that harmoniously contradict each other, and showing those contradicting motives in parallels is good story telling. 343 obviously knew the direction they wanted to take the series, and knew the story of Halo 5 prior to ever making it, so it makes sense that they would include something like this at the end of 4. The problem is, very few people are going to catch it and appreciate it, because Halo 4 was released years ago and that speech at the end, though one of the best parts of the game, was obscure and seemingly random in the context of Halo 4’s story. I wonder if many people will catch the parallel have.
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I think he meant Ur-Didact, in halo 4 when chief survived the composer, librarian accelarated his evoltution and Ur-Didact was immune to the composer

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Bumping because this is a nice catch. Havent played Halo 4 in a long time and totally forgot about that speech. Great connection, OP.

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> > > > > It’s a good catch. Characters with opposing views that harmoniously contradict each other, and showing those contradicting motives in parallels is good story telling. 343 obviously knew the direction they wanted to take the series, and knew the story of Halo 5 prior to ever making it, so it makes sense that they would include something like this at the end of 4. The problem is, very few people are going to catch it and appreciate it, because Halo 4 was released years ago and that speech at the end, though one of the best parts of the game, was obscure and seemingly random in the context of Halo 4’s story. I wonder if many people will catch the parallel have.
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Ahh I see. I hadn’t thought about chief’s acceleration connecting him more to the Didact / possibly activating a hidden geas within his DNA. Kind of connects what the arbiter saying in the teaser too.

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I think one of the most intriguing lines of his entire speech comes at the end when he says:

> The reclamation… has already begun. And we are hopeless to stop it.

His speech is most likely being given while he is on trial for his war crimes against humanity. Now it would seem that he is referring to humans but at this point in the forerunner-human war, humans had been defeated and returned to a prehistoric un-evolved form. Also for reclamation we would of had to hold the mantle at some point, which the forerunners never officially handed over to us… This leads me to think that maybe he is talking about the precursors… The ones that the forerunners tried to destroy when they took the mantle… The ones that became the flood. The ones that started life (I guess the can be considered gods?)

Is this maybe our disturbance in deep space?

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Also in the books, didn’t the flood pass up humans to take out the forerunners because they were still deciding if we were worthy of the mantle?

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Bump :slight_smile:

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I believe it was Kiki that said (in a Halo 4 vidoc) that, as Chief becomes basically the leader and savior of humanity, he would have to do things his own people wouldn’t necessarily agree with. The popular decision not always being the right one and such.

Perhaps he’s done some things that would be…controversial. Not as black and white as it was in the past, fighting the Covenant. And perhaps ONI is using that to poison people (or at least Locke) against him.

ONI also sees Chief as having a lack of basic humanity. Perhaps, ONI is sending Locke to kill Chief to become more sociopaths and emotionless, like the Chief was, to replace him.

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> I believe it was Kiki that said (in a Halo 4 vidoc) that, as Chief becomes basically the leader and savior of humanity, he would have to do things his own people wouldn’t necessarily agree with. The popular decision not always being the right one and such.
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> Perhaps he’s done some things that would be…controversial. Not as black and white as it was in the past, fighting the Covenant. And perhaps ONI is using that to poison people (or at least Locke) against him.
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> ONI also sees Chief as having a lack of basic humanity. Perhaps, ONI is sending Locke to kill Chief to become more sociopaths and emotionless, like the Chief was, to replace him.

This is a good thought! At the beginning Halsey also brings up that they want to replace him

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No, I mean the Iso-Didact.

Didn’t you guys read the end of the last Forerunner book? When it’s revealed the Iso-Didact is the one who fired the array and he asks 343 GS, “if it were you, would you do it?” And then GS says to Chief in Halo CE, “why would you hesitate to do what you did before? When you asked me last time if I would do it, my answer hasn’t changed–we must destroy the Flood.”

It’s only a theory, but it’s one that is somewhat widely held. Not a huge fan of Halo Follower, but he sums it up well. You are right that a cross-species geas is one potential pitfall since that’s never been seen before. But hey, Chief is the chosen one, right?

Anyway, to come full circle to the OP here, if the Ur-Didact imprinted Bornstellar who became the Iso-Didact and was imprinted onto Chief’s ancestors by Chant-to-Green, and then that geas was “activated” by the Librarian in Halo 4, it’s possible that Chief might start to act more like the Ur-Didact and his story in Halo 5 and future Halo games could follow that path.

(I can only imagine how outrageous that last sentence sounds to someone unfamiliar with the Forerunner lore, haha)