Halo 5: Guardians and Bonnies "vision of Halo"

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Article from Gamespot that was posted on the 23rd.

I don’t mind at all that 343 may bring out another Halo title after Halo 5. I don’t mind Sabre Interactive bringing Halo to the PC in a multiplayer form with Halo Online. I don’t mind there being more novels that dive deeper into the Halo Lore. I however do mind the fact that.

> Growing the Halo franchise in this way was a necessary move, she said, because the first three Halo games “had a tendency to kill a lot of characters,” meaning the wider story was somewhat limited

First of all, NO, the first 3 games killed off Johnson and Miranda to drive the story to where it needed to go. Those two characters lore ended there, so why the hell are you going to pull lore out of your -Yoink- for two characters to try and continue them when there is basically no point to? So now are you going to tell Halo 5’s story writers to fit Cortana’s ressurection into Halo 5 because you think it’ll widen the story?

> but a “saga” that could extend beyond Halo 5 and Halo 6. Looking ahead, Ross said previously that she wants to get away from numbered Halo sequels.

A saga that could extend beyond Halo 5 and Halo 6? Ok…NO can we PLEASE end the saga at 6? Are you seriously trying to turn this franchise into COD? Activision is already milking the Call of Duty franchise beyond point, are you really going to proceed into turning Halo into a cash grab because you think people will buy Halo because of the characters you jam into the series? Masterchief has idolized this franchise alone. When his days end, what new hero are you going to pull out of thin air that can still sell Halo?

No Bonnie this is what you do not understand, Call of Duty Campaigns work because there is a story to tell still because of the fact that those storys work. Halo is very different. You can only tell one story so much until there begins to be loopholes that form at every turn.

I don’t care if we get more live action trailers, a movie or even a damn TV series. But trying to force more Halo games, until the story doesn’t even make sense just because you want to is the wrong move. The Saga should end with Halo 6. I stopped supporting COD after it became a cash cow. I and I’m sure many others will not support Halo if you turn it into your cash cow because that is not what Halo was meant to be.

A lot of my respect for 343 just went out the door with this article.

And do not EVEN think you know what will make Halo more successful and where it can widen to more then the fans who have been Halo’s Community long before 343 took the reins, because I assure, you…that you do not.

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Old news.

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> Old news.

I’m talking about the article that was posted on the 23rd…not that one.

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“I don’t mind them making games, books, or movies to expand the lore. However, I do not want them to make more games after 6.”

You claiming they’re trying to make it CoD is just ridiculous. CoD is a yearly cash cow developed by 3 studios. Halo is developed by 1. The point of Halo is the story not the MP. MP is endgame after the campaign. No one picks up Halo and says “I only play MP.”

Star Wars and Star Trek are 2 of the biggest sci-fi franchises out there. Halo has that potential to be up there with them on video games alone.

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Halo’s universe is HUGE. By the time Halo 5 is done, it will have been developed for 3 years. 343 isn’t making Halo a cash cow, it IS like a Star Wars/Star Trek sort of thing. It has the ability to tell so many stories, whether in movies, tv shows, comics, games etc. You are welcome to leave Halo, but I’ll continue to support it as long as it still has true heart left.

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I highly doubt 343 themselves said that they want it to be a saga. Microsoft more than likely told them to keep plans for Halo 6 and beyond because Halo is their flagship franchise. Without Halo:CE the Xbox could have failed.

I also wouldn’t say the community knows more about what will make Halo more successful. The only two big options I’ve seen from the community is keep Halo 5 how it is or Halo 2.5. the community can be very blind at times, and I think Microsoft and 343 know what makes video games sell, especially Microsoft.

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> “I don’t mind them making games, books, or movies to expand the lore. However, I do not want them to make more games after 6.”
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> You claiming they’re trying to make it CoD is just ridiculous. CoD is a yearly cash cow developed by 3 studios. Halo is developed by 1. The point of Halo is the story not the MP. MP is endgame after the campaign. No one picks up Halo and says "I only play MP."
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> Star Wars and Star Trek are 2 of the biggest sci-fi franchises out there. Halo has that potential to be up there with them on video games alone.

Hmm…I’m not quite sure about that.

On the other hand I’m also don’t like that saga thing. It’s bothers me a bit. Make a 2nd trilogy with great story and don’t extend it.

"the first three Halo games “had a tendency to kill a lot of characters,” - Don’t know what to say, I think that’s just a stupid statement. Cpt. Keyes, Miranda K. and Johnson death wasn’t in vain. Regret, Mercy, Tartarus, Truth and 343 GS died because that’s how the story fulfilled.

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> Halo’s universe is HUGE. By the time Halo 5 is done, it will have been developed for 3 years. 343 isn’t making Halo a cash cow, it IS like a Star Wars/Star Trek sort of thing. It has the ability to tell so many stories, whether in movies, tv shows, comics, games etc. You are welcome to leave Halo, but I’ll continue to support it as long as it still has true heart left.

Halo’s universe is huge yes, but don’t even try to say 343 isn’t going to make it into a cash cow when indeed they can and with Bonnie Ross, I wouldn’t put it past them. Doesn’t matter if its a 3 year release cycle compared to other games. It does have the ability to tell many story’s yes. But how much before those storys don’t make sense and are only there because it’s what they think is right? I’m not saying I’m going to leave Halo, but I’m not going to support 343 if they decide on this path. But Halo isn’t something for there to be storys, just to tell storys, or throw this into a Campaign just to make it look good. If 343 decides to end Chiefs story in Halo 6, what kinda character can they make to replace him? You can’t just throw a character in there and expect people to connect with them.

I’m not hating on 343, nor am I bashing them. I don’t agree however with Bonnie.

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> Article from Gamespot that was posted on the 23rd.
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> I don’t mind at all that 343 may bring out another Halo title after Halo 5. I don’t mind Sabre Interactive bringing Halo to the PC in a multiplayer form with Halo Online. I don’t mind there being more novels that dive deeper into the Halo Lore. I however do mind the fact that.
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> > Growing the Halo franchise in this way was a necessary move, she said, because the first three Halo games “had a tendency to kill a lot of characters,” meaning the wider story was somewhat limited
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> First of all, NO, the first 3 games killed off Johnson and Miranda to drive the story to where it needed to go. Those two characters lore ended there, so why the hell are you going to pull lore out of your -Yoink- for two characters to try and continue them when there is basically no point to? So now are you going to tell Halo 5’s story writers to fit Cortana’s ressurection into Halo 5 because you think it’ll widen the story?
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> > but a “saga” that could extend beyond Halo 5 and Halo 6. Looking ahead, Ross said previously that she wants to get away from numbered Halo sequels.
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> A saga that could extend beyond Halo 5 and Halo 6? Ok…NO can we PLEASE end the saga at 6? Are you seriously trying to turn this franchise into COD? Activision is already milking the Call of Duty franchise beyond point, are you really going to proceed into turning Halo into a cash grab because you think people will buy Halo because of the characters you jam into the series? Masterchief has idolized this franchise alone. When his days end, what new hero are you going to pull out of thin air that can still sell Halo?
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> No Bonnie this is what you do not understand, Call of Duty Campaigns work because there is a story to tell still because of the fact that those storys work. Halo is very different. You can only tell one story so much until there begins to be loopholes that form at every turn.
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> I don’t care if we get more live action trailers, a movie or even a damn TV series. But trying to force more Halo games, until the story doesn’t even make sense just because you want to is the wrong move. The Saga should end with Halo 6. I stopped supporting COD after it became a cash cow. I and I’m sure many others will not support Halo if you turn it into your cash cow because that is not what Halo was meant to be.
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> A lot of my respect for 343 just went out the door with this article.
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> And do not EVEN think you know what will make Halo more successful and where it can widen to more then the fans who have been Halo’s Community long before 343 took the reins, because I assure, you…that you do not.

Step off the soapbox, k, thanks.

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How can one main Halo game every three years be considered milking?

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People seem to think that releasing an abundance of content is immediate milking. But if each piece of content is different than the last, there is no problem, especially if it’s meaningful content.

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> “I don’t mind them making games, books, or movies to expand the lore. However, I do not want them to make more games after 6.”
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> You claiming they’re trying to make it CoD is just ridiculous. CoD is a yearly cash cow developed by 3 studios. Halo is developed by 1. The point of Halo is the story not the MP. MP is endgame after the campaign. No one picks up Halo and says “I only play MP.”
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> Star Wars and Star Trek are 2 of the biggest sci-fi franchises out there. Halo has that potential to be up there with them on video games alone.

I pick up Halo only to play multiplayer.

Halo has a mediocre campaign compared to Mass effect, Dragon age, The elder scrolls, Borderlands, The souls series, The last of us, Diablo, and Portal + lots of older games that all has a more entertaining story as well as being very fun to play alone. If Halo wouldn’t have it’s multiplayer the game would be bleh …

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> People seem to think that releasing an abundance of content is immediate milking. But if each piece of content is different than the last, there is no problem, especially if it’s meaningful content.

This.

It’s not milking. Releasing the same thing every year would be milking.

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> No Bonnie this is what you do not understand, Call of Duty Campaigns work because there is a story to tell still because of the fact that those storys work. Halo is very different. You can only tell one story so much until there begins to be loopholes that form at every turn.

No, XeDRAGONWOLFeX, this is what you do not understand.

The Halo universe is huge. There are thousands of stories to tell. They can make prequels, sequels, games set concurrently with games in the past, all while pushing the universe and lore forward. They are not telling “one story” at all, but many different stories. Reach, Halo Wars, and ODST were only the tip of the iceberg in terms of spinoff Halo games. What about a stealth game as a Spartan-III HeadHunter? How about a game set before the Human-Covenant War, during the Insurrection? How about a game where you play as an Ancient Human in the war against the Forerunners and The Flood? How about a game where you play as an Elite? Not to mention there is plenty left to go forward in the universe with the new UNSC, Spartan-IVs, the Forerunners, the Insurrection, and the ultimate return of The Flood.

I mean, the possibilities are nearly endless. Eventually, Chief’s story will be concluded but that doesn’t mean they should stop making Halo games. There’s a huge Halo universe out there and exploring that universe is hardly “milking it.” As far as a potential new protagonist, what do you think they’re trying to do with Locke?

By the tone of your post, it sounds like you have some sort of personal beef with Bonnie Ross, which is weird, to be honest. But your problem with that article and argument makes no sense at all.

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> > “I don’t mind them making games, books, or movies to expand the lore. However, I do not want them to make more games after 6.”
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> > You claiming they’re trying to make it CoD is just ridiculous. CoD is a yearly cash cow developed by 3 studios. Halo is developed by 1. The point of Halo is the story not the MP. MP is endgame after the campaign. No one picks up Halo and says “I only play MP.”
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> > Star Wars and Star Trek are 2 of the biggest sci-fi franchises out there. Halo has that potential to be up there with them on video games alone.
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> I pick up Halo only to play multiplayer.
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> Halo has a mediocre campaign compared to Mass effect, Dragon age, The elder scrolls, Borderlands, The souls series, The last of us, Diablo, and Portal + lots of older games that all has a more entertaining story as well as being very fun to play alone. If Halo wouldn’t have it’s multiplayer the game would be bleh …

Lol okay. That’s why Halo CE was a killer app despite not having online multiplayer. That’s why Campaign trailers and teasers generate so much more hype, discussion, and interest than Multiplayer trailers.

When people play games these days, they’re not just looking for gameplay. They’re looking for an experience. Campaign provides a gameplay experience. Multiplayer just provides gameplay.

As they say, most people come for Campaign, stay for Multiplayer. That’s the Halo formula.

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Halo can definitely become a saga, but can it revolve around the Master Chief beyond Halo 6? I’m not so sure about that one.

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> > Growing the Halo franchise in this way was a necessary move, she said, because the first three Halo games “had a tendency to kill a lot of characters,” meaning the wider story was somewhat limited

My problem is this. Not many characters were killed off by bungie. Also this statement is pretty hypocritical, 343 has been killing off some characters that had lots of potential, such as black team.

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> 2533274795440338;1:
> Article from Gamespot that was posted on the 23rd.
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> I don’t mind at all that 343 may bring out another Halo title after Halo 5. I don’t mind Sabre Interactive bringing Halo to the PC in a multiplayer form with Halo Online. I don’t mind there being more novels that dive deeper into the Halo Lore. I however do mind the fact that.
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> > Growing the Halo franchise in this way was a necessary move, she said, because the first three Halo games “had a tendency to kill a lot of characters,” meaning the wider story was somewhat limited
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> First of all, NO, the first 3 games killed off Johnson and Miranda to drive the story to where it needed to go. Those two characters lore ended there, so why the hell are you going to pull lore out of your -Yoink- for two characters to try and continue them when there is basically no point to? So now are you going to tell Halo 5’s story writers to fit Cortana’s ressurection into Halo 5 because you think it’ll widen the story?
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> > but a “saga” that could extend beyond Halo 5 and Halo 6. Looking ahead, Ross said previously that she wants to get away from numbered Halo sequels.
>
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> A saga that could extend beyond Halo 5 and Halo 6? Ok…NO can we PLEASE end the saga at 6? Are you seriously trying to turn this franchise into COD? Activision is already milking the Call of Duty franchise beyond point, are you really going to proceed into turning Halo into a cash grab because you think people will buy Halo because of the characters you jam into the series? Masterchief has idolized this franchise alone. When his days end, what new hero are you going to pull out of thin air that can still sell Halo?
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> No Bonnie this is what you do not understand, Call of Duty Campaigns work because there is a story to tell still because of the fact that those storys work. Halo is very different. You can only tell one story so much until there begins to be loopholes that form at every turn.
>
> I don’t care if we get more live action trailers, a movie or even a damn TV series. But trying to force more Halo games, until the story doesn’t even make sense just because you want to is the wrong move. The Saga should end with Halo 6. I stopped supporting COD after it became a cash cow. I and I’m sure many others will not support Halo if you turn it into your cash cow because that is not what Halo was meant to be.
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> A lot of my respect for 343 just went out the door with this article.
>
> And do not EVEN think you know what will make Halo more successful and where it can widen to more then the fans who have been Halo’s Community long before 343 took the reins, because I assure, you…that you do not.

Uhm…soooo No spin offs either? Far flung sequels? Other generes entirely in the halo universe with recurring chatacters? Why not??

Also…what makes you more proficient in knowing how to make halo successful? Hey if you can objectively prove it 343 might give you a job!

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> > “I don’t mind them making games, books, or movies to expand the lore. However, I do not want them to make more games after 6.”
> >
> > You claiming they’re trying to make it CoD is just ridiculous. CoD is a yearly cash cow developed by 3 studios. Halo is developed by 1. The point of Halo is the story not the MP. MP is endgame after the campaign. No one picks up Halo and says “I only play MP.”
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> > Star Wars and Star Trek are 2 of the biggest sci-fi franchises out there. Halo has that potential to be up there with them on video games alone.
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> I pick up Halo only to play multiplayer.
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> Halo has a mediocre campaign compared to Mass effect, Dragon age, The elder scrolls, Borderlands, The souls series, The last of us, Diablo, and Portal + lots of older games that all has a more entertaining story as well as being very fun to play alone. If Halo wouldn’t have it’s multiplayer the game would be bleh …

You lost me with Diablo… There’s a very minimal amount of story in the games, story was an emphasis in D3 and it still didn’t present much. I mean c’mon Halo CE has more collective story in It than all Diablo games put together. Diablo is more of an offender of necessitating the reading of books than Halo is. The gameplay for Diablo is fun but i disagree about the story and you’re certainly entitled to your opinion.

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> > > “I don’t mind them making games, books, or movies to expand the lore. However, I do not want them to make more games after 6.”
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> > > You claiming they’re trying to make it CoD is just ridiculous. CoD is a yearly cash cow developed by 3 studios. Halo is developed by 1. The point of Halo is the story not the MP. MP is endgame after the campaign. No one picks up Halo and says “I only play MP.”
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> > > Star Wars and Star Trek are 2 of the biggest sci-fi franchises out there. Halo has that potential to be up there with them on video games alone.
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> > I pick up Halo only to play multiplayer.
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> > Halo has a mediocre campaign compared to Mass effect, Dragon age, The elder scrolls, Borderlands, The souls series, The last of us, Diablo, and Portal + lots of older games that all has a more entertaining story as well as being very fun to play alone. If Halo wouldn’t have it’s multiplayer the game would be bleh …
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> You lost me with Diablo… There’s a very minimal amount of story in the games, story was an emphasis in D3 and it still didn’t present much. I mean c’mon Halo CE has more collective story in It than all Diablo games put together. Diablo is more of an offender of necessitating the reading of books than Halo is. The gameplay for Diablo is fun but i disagree about the story and you’re certainly entitled to your opinion.

The souls series story is pretty generic and simple, you just have to dig for it.