Halo 5 Good versus Bad

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> “he’s definitely is biased and is exaggerating. The fact that he can name 2 good things about halo 5 and nitpick all the bad things proves it.”
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> “Hitmarkers is just another convenience. We all expect convenience in triple A titles, right? You even said that about selling multiple reqs at once.”
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> “Again we have another convenience. This is for those skillful players who are trying to burst fire at longer ranges. It’s also for those CoD guys who want to physically see ADS. It doesn’t affect me or the game so I’m fine with it. Do you have a problem with the assault rifle aiming in SPV3 or the recon SMG from ODST?”
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> The armor is terrible I wont say it looks like plastic but dont act like the armor is perfect. “I wasn’t. I realized that there was a typo in my post. I meant to say that the armor glows (not goes) which makes it appear cartoony. I know the armor isn’t perfect, but there are a lot that I like. The customization does need to be a lot better though.”
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> No comment “yay we agree on something.”
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> I dont want to get into that argument again. “Fine by me”
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> Spartans have been seriously dumbed down and its an obvious attempt at attracting the young “hip” teen audience but in turn makes them sound cheezy and unprofessional. Police officers act more civilized than spartans, think that through for a bit. (Seriously why do they have to say “Nice kill with the shotty”, its so -Yoink!- cringey and unnecessary) “What’s wrong with the spsrtan
> saying things? Nice kill with the shotty? That’s what organized teams would actually say to each other. Not all Spartans are quiet like master chief. Many make the mistake of associating the Spartan IV’s with fireteam Majestic, which puts an awful view of the Spartan IV’s into your minds. Majestic was just the more outgoing fun Spartans, while Crimson was the silent ones who got the job done and Osiris was more professional. I don’t see how the intro/outro cutscene thing is “hip.” They just stand there with their guns.”
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> NO, JUST NO! You cannot tell me that Halo 5 is skillful whatsoever, just stop! Just because Microsoft is sponsoring their own tournaments with huge cash pools doesn’t mean the game is competitive. **Halo 5 is the least competitive Halo out of the bunch and there is no denying that! Fast ttks, hitscan weapons, massive auto aim, massive bullet magnetism, and twitch mechanics do not result in a competitive game!**The ranking system is terrible! WHO CARES if 5% of players smurf! I certainly dont give a crap, I’d rather have no ranking system than the excuse found in Halo 5. "Oh man, this one I have to wholeheartedly disagree with and I’m actually kind of sad that you hold this opinion. BUT I WILL WIPE AWAY MY TEARS TO ARGUE!!! Are you saying that Reach and 4, with all their loadouts and armor abilities, is more competitive than halo 5? I know you can make an argument that halo 2 was more competitive (which I disagree with), but I gave you the 2 most obvious examples. Halo CE had the fastest TTK, so would you call that game competive? Hitscan adds more competitiveness to the game as randomness and slight lag don’t affect it. The auto aim is to combat the Spartan abilities. There’s barely any bullet magnetism. If you want, I’ll give you some links detailing how halo 2/3 has higher bullet magnetism. What are twitch mechanics to you? If you say whoever shoots first wins, you’re just lying to yourself and being naive. The ranking system is not perfect, but it is not terrible. Everyone gets ranked according to their skill and play people around their skill.
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> Are we playing the same game? “No. I’m playing a fun game that I can enjoy despite its flaws. You are playing a game that has sprint and is not like halo 3.”
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> Quality>Quantity, its not rocket science. “I actually thought a lot of halo 3’s armor looked awful. EVA looked like you just had a giant bubble on your head and halo 4/5’s scout is so much better. CQB was pretty cool though.”
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> No Comment “2 things we agree on in one thread? What is going on?”
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> Then why call it firefight in the first place? If it plays nothing like firefight then why tarnish its name and spit in everyone’s face who actually enjoyed the original FF? "The name Firefight was to attract old players, and it worked.
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> Yeah that’s what he stating? Your point? The physics are still bad. “I was agreeing with him.”
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> It wasnt bad, it was terrible. “No, there was still some, like Chief meeting Cortana, Exuberant Witness, and how could we forget about Buck?”
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> Really? I’m not even gonna argue… “The warden is so much better than Tartarus, Regret, 343 Guilty Spark, and the first Scarab. The Warden may be hated, but he was designed pretty good, just not good enough for us to like fighting him 7 times.”
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> It doesnt matter if it makes sense, its still a horrible plot. American Horror Story doesn’t make sense at times but that show still has an amazing plot. Little kid books make sense but they have no plot. “Tod has a dog. Tog walked the dog. Tod was happy. Hooray for Tod and his dog!” THE END. By your logic that would constitute as a good story. “He said the plot didn’t make sense. You’d bans to be pretty stupid not know the basics of what is going on.”
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> Yeah they are. They didnt benefit the game in this case. “I made a whole thread detailing why they aren’t bad. Do you want to give it to you?”
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> Theater is a pathetic excuse and should’ve never been released to the public, this mode shows you how lazy and unmotivated 343 is especially since they still haven’t fixed it TO THIS DAY!! (Almost a year later!!!) “They have different priorities, but it definitely needs to get fully reworked for halo 6.”
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> Again it shows how incompetent/lazy/oblivious 343 is.The biggest thread on HW is about adding playable elites, and to this day they have not acknowledged the thread. “Why acknowledge the thread and give them hope if they aren’t going to do it just yet?”
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> I dont know about you but I expect a polished and quality game especially when we are talking about the AAA console seller known as Halo. But hey maybe I set my expectations to high, maybe I am dumb for thinking 343 would actually take their time to implement a highly requested feature into the game, maybe Im just to optimistic, silly me. “Again with the convenience argument. It’d be nice, but we don’t NEED it.”
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> Sure it will. “Remember, the Scorpio is coming out. I said split screen will return most likely in some form. The Scorpio is probably how they’re going to do it.”
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> Again, unpolished and inexcusable from a triple A title. “That’s what happens when people bash halo 4’s great UI, they make everything opposite.”
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> A lot of what you said was attempting to subdue the problems and acting like they done exist. You cant be a glass half full type of person forever, especially not with 343. I learned that the hard way. “Living a life of thinking the glass is half full leads to a much happier life. I think that is why I enjoy every new halo game. You should try it out. You might enjoy halo 5 more. I know issues exist, but issues always exist, and there is always something positive to find. We’ve acknowledged the issues and we hope 343 have listened to our complaints and change them for halo 6, but in the meantime, I’m going to look at the positives and have a ton of fun in halo 5.”

I just commented on your post to make it easier for the both of us. I put what I said in quotations. I had to delete some of your comments for all this to fit.

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> > Thing about this is there’s no hard ‘good’ or ‘bad’ in this list, it’s all subjective to the player, in this case, you. There are a few things generally agreed upon, but many of them are pretty debatable. One man’s trash is another’s treasure.
> > For my part, I would put a number of the things in ‘bad’ into my own personal ‘good.’
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> Okay, I will play devil’s advocate and agree with you.
> Now would you like to argue that many game modes lacking, a broken theater, and pure anti-player BS in WZFF can be procieved as good?

Again, speaking subjectively, ‘many game modes missing’ doesn’t bother me as much as you, because I came to Halo later (H4/H5 era, though I have played every game’s campaign, many through on Legendary). I don’t miss modes I’ve never played, and many other players (many, not MOST) are in similar situations, and their opinions are just as valid as anyone else’s in the community.
I really enjoy the gameplay in H5, though, yes, I agree that it left us wanting more, in several ways (storytelling, lack of Blue Team, cliffhanger, contrived villain). It’s not 100% categorically bad, at least not to me, there is a lot to enjoy, especially now with Score Attack. It livens it up, my opinion.
Theater is broken. That’s bad.
WZFF has a lot of BS - Prometheans spawning on top of objectives you are 200m away from, Mythic bosses hiding in structures nigh impossible to access with vehicles, ‘Defend the Generators’ in Darkstar…'nuff said. Still, you can’t write it off as 100% crap…you’d logically have to walk away and never come back to justify that. I’ve noticed, and perhaps you have too, that as time has passed and as teams have learned the rounds and strategies, it’s gotten easier to win.
If you’re going to create a ‘good/bad’ list, it helps to leave room for people’s subjectivity. Yours, I respectfully submit, treated the issue more like a definitive set of conclusions… “Here it is!” Just saying, people are going to debate these items.

The arena is much improved and that I am thankful for that, as for most other aspects. The campaign, warzone, and simple things like customization are either lackluster or downright bad.

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> Alright let’s start off with the good things about Halo 5:
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> - Crazy cool Forge
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> - Classic/Brute weapons making a comeback
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> - Super Fiesta
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> - Infection Forge Maps
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> - Tidal
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> Now let’s look at the bad stuff in Halo 5:
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> -No split-screen
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> - RNG unlocks
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> - Little to no Original Content
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> - Too many reskins
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> - Custom game options
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> - Lack of Game types
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> - Alienating the Casual Community
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> - Buggy updates that seem untested
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> - Megablocks Forge pieces
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> - Grifbal ball explosion doesn’t kill player/end round
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> - Map design is just flat out bad.
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> - Spartan Abilities (thruster, Spartan Charge, and ground pound)
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> - Complicated Forge controls
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> - The “T” rating
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> - Bullet Sponge enemies
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> and that’s all I’ve got for now.

I kind of have grown to the REQ system, I like the thruster, ground pound, etc, and I think halo 5 should indeed be rated m and have split screen

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> - Can switch places in a vehicle without getting out
> - Forge has finally improved since Reach and they were able to add new stuff to it later on
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> - Still has hitmarkers
> - Included ADS on all weapons
> - Everything still looks way to brightly colored, clay/plastic, and/or just plain ugly
> - Lacking many game modes at launch, especially staples expected in Halo games
> - Sprint and gimmicks- I mean movement abilities included which ruins map design and Time-to-Kill
> - The intro/outro for games makes the players look like frat bros rather than Spartans
> - Reduced skill gap (everything is easy to do/use)
> - Super competitive almost all the time
> - The ranking system is garbage (smurfing proves this)
> - Player customization is worse than Halo 3
> - Most armor unlocked via RNG rather than earned, and most of them are duplicates anyway
> - WZFF is nothing like ODST’s/Reach’s FF, and can be full of absolutely unfair BS
> - Vehicle physics are perhaps the worst since CE
> - Nearly all characters in the story were lame and/or acted in no way like they should (and Palmer isn’t killed off yet)
> - Warden Eternals
> - Plot makes no reasonable sense
> - Microtran$actions
> - Theater mode is broken
> - Still no playable elites
> - Can’t sell multiple Reqs at once and many of them are redundant clutter
> - Removed split screen
> - UI isn’t great
> - Took months to add post game stats
> I am sure they are plenty things I am missing on both sides, but I don’t have my list on me.

Oh thank god I thought I was the only one that couldn’t save my MLG kills because my theater wasn’t working. I thought it was a problem with my Xbox

in this case unfortunately the negative aspects of halo 5 FAR exeeds that of the positives

But you got to admit, now the game has had all these updates, it is a very good game with lots to do and play.

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> For some people. I have tried and tried but I still can’t get used, or use the new controls for forge. It has spoiled the game for me. There should a ‘Halo 4 Controls’ option for forge.
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> ‘‘well just play with forge for a bit, you will get the hang of it’’ - aint nobody got time for 'dat.

Well maybe the new windows 10 forge could help. The controls take a little getting used to but once you do the possibilities go way beyond any past halo.

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> You forgot all the backpedaling they did from Reach & Halo 4 in terms of Arena Rules:
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> -no armor abilities (spartan abilities are shared by all players at all times, not part of a loadout that can vary from player to player causing imbalance)
> -no flinch
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> Halo 5’s Arena is basically Halo 3 with modern movement mechanics (in terms of the rules, not talking sandbox, obviously the weapons play a lot differently). Warzone is a another story, however, but that’s the point of it.

God this is wrong on so many levels, everything you have mentioned is what was wrong with reach and 4, go and play cod you filthy casual

Good things - area gold and all that warzone and ext

Bad things-split screen and picking ever peace of armor

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Not as much blood as in previous Halos. Hence the Teen rating.

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> Not as much blood as in previous Halos. Hence the Teen rating.

Yes that is true

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> I never understood why a T rating is bad, I know there’s a bit less gore but that’s mostly because of the lack of flood and these days the ESRB is much more lax with its ratings.

Probably because without the M rating, the OP is referring that a lot of annoying little kids will come and infest this game well I’m in Australia and this game is rated M just like Halo 3 and ODST & CoD: BO3 is rated R18+ and yet there is way more little kids infesting CoD. To me that’s just being nitpicky towards why he dislikes the game.

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> > I never understood why a T rating is bad, I know there’s a bit less gore but that’s mostly because of the lack of flood and these days the ESRB is much more lax with its ratings.
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And in the USA most parents will buy the game eaither way.

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Yep it’s not the ESRB fault for having little kids playing M rated games it’s the parents responsibility to allow his/her kid to access mature content.

Yeah, no split-screen really sucks…

good- hit detection

bad- everything else

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> Yeah, no split-screen really sucks…

Yea I could agree with that

I mostly agree. I hated that there was no splitscreen! But there’s one more bad thing: The story is AWFUL! Bad plot!

OP I think your good list is a bit short but an opinion is an opinion. As for myself:

Pro:

  • Over 20+ useful weapons with balance when used at proper distance. This is immensely difficult to pull off and I have said before and I will say again it’s the crowning achievement of MP Halo 5. - Forge. - Equal Loadouts with a lot of balance in the maps. It’s FPS in it’s purest form. - A more useful precision loadout weap. The pistol is still useful but most of us still ditch it when we come across a BR or DMR so it’s in a nice spot. - 99.5% of my deaths are completely my fault. Yes you can click on my stats and discover it’s my fault a lot. But knowing this is a great feeling in terms of trying to improve yourself as a player and knowing the mistakes you made were mistakes and not some fluky aspect of the game or some terrible OP weap or unbalanced map. - Warzone. When it’s all said and done this is a better game with Warzone than without. - Weapon Variants in Warzone.
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  • No Split screen - Clunky Theater - Tiny radar. It also makes Spartan Chargers even more annoying. - Lobby. Although at least the postgame Lobby is much better now compared to launch. - Not enough earned armor and too much RNG. Right now I think it’s like 5% earned and 95% RNG. I think even if it was 30/70 or 40/60 the community would be much happier. - Armor customization - I am more of a MP than a Campaign guy but seemingly everyone is in agreement on the lackluster or rushed story. - Spartan Charge. I won’t say it’s OP but it’s just an annoying ability.
    Things I would do to some of the smaller annoying things.
    Make it to where you can flag REQ’s you hate so they insta-sell back to the house right after opening a pack.
    Sell Req’s in bulk. The time it takes to sell one at a time is annoying.

Now I can see the potential argument well if we opened the customization more to armor there would be even more annoying REQ’s like gloves or wrists. Imagine the rage of dropping 10K on a gold pack to get ultra rare gloves. There are honestly 2 solutions to that and they can take a choice. Either the armor you get from the Req pack is basically 4 or 5 usable pieces of armor so it essentially discloses in the same way it currently does but they are like a 4 or 5 in one card. The other method is have the smaller pieces linked to commendations, achievements or pure leveling.