Halo 5:G vs Black Ops III

WARNING: This is a Halo vs CoD thread. Seeing as this is Halo forum, I expect everyone here to be pro Halo (we are a community so lets stick together! Halo fans, 343i, everyone unite!). If you do not want to get into this mess or think that this is dumb, please leave now! I don’t want to hear people saying “this thread is dumb, don’t be a fanboy” that is non constructive, save your time and energy for another thread, one that you enjoy.

This thread isn’t “which is better Halo or CoD”? Its already decided that we as a community feel that Halo is better than CoD (this is a Halo forum, so its pretty obvious). This thread is about how can Halo kick CoD off its throne, and become on top once again.

Halo used to be one of the most popular franchizes in the world, it still is to some degree, but its popularity has dropped significantly.

Halo 3’s hype was intense, no video game had sold so much, and had so much hype, so much TV coverage, at its time… and then CoD 4 came along, and stole Halo’s throne and spotlight. Call of Duty even outsells Halo on Xbox. Battlefield (wich has recently given up it’s uniqueness from BF3 onwards and completely copied CoD) is now more popular than Halo.

Call of Duty and Battlefield have more followers on twitter, more subscribers on youtube, more likes on facebook, than Halo. And to think Halo used to be at the top back in the Halo 3 days.

I want the days of Halo 2 and Halo 3 to return, I miss Halo being on top.

It makes sense for CoD and Battlefield to be more popular than Halo because they are multiplatform games, but even on Xbox CoD outsells Halo, thats just not right.

There are 6 reasons why CoD Black Ops III will be MAJOR competition for Halo 5: G. And I don’t want the world to think CoD is better than Halo (that would be fine if they played both games and ultimately liked CoD more, but because CoD sells so much more than Halo, people who say CoD is better haven’t even played Halo so that is just not fair).

1. Xbox One is selling poorly, and Halo is not multiplat.
The PS4 is kicking the Xbox One’s butt in sales, this is bad. If Xbox does poorly, Halo does poorly with it because its fate is chained to Xbox seeing as its exclusive.CoD being multiplat makes it more accessible, makes its fanbase bigger, and gives it more hype.

2. CoD sells better than Halo on Xbox 360 and Xbox One.
Lets face it, CoD is just more popular.

3. CoD might be changing it’s lead platform from Xbox to Playstation instead.
This is very devious of Activision! Halo can’t even compete with CoD on even ground if it’s lead platform and best selling platform will switch to playstation. PS4 has better specs and sales than Xbox One, and because of this CoD may be switching to Playstation as lead platform.

4. Treyarch is developing CoD Black Ops III.
Public opinion has it that Treyarch makes the best CoD Campaigns. Treyarch would not shut up about CoD Black Ops II’s music and story/writing having talented people. Halo is a unique FPS because unlike CoD and Battlefield, it has a great story, and a fantastic campaign. But Treyarch’s CoD’s still pose a threat. If Halo 5: G messes up its story/campaign, Black Ops III could potentially surpass it colossally. Black Ops III will present CoD’s campaign at its finest (because of Treyarch), I hope Halo 5: G does the same.

5. CoD might steal forge mode from Halo.
CoD has stolen countless things from Halo, especially Treyarch. Dual Wielding (although Halo wasn’t the first game with DW, Bungie did create DW in Marathon), Looking at the ground and seeing your feet, Active Camo, Theater mode (this was COMPLETELY ripped from halo 3 by Black Ops), Vehicle Warfare (in campaign and multiplayer). I don’t want forge to be added to the list of stolen things by CoD.

6. CoD has a 3 year dev cycle now.
Halo has lost its 1 year of development time of advantage over CoD, now they are on eaqual footing.

How can Halo 5: G bring back the crown and come back to the top?
It needs a GREAT campaign (story, music, gameplay), Halo 4 had a beautiful story only issue is that only fans of the series could understand it. Newcomers to the Halo series have no hope in hell for understanding Halo 4’s story. I hope Halo 5 includes Halo 1, 2, 3, and 4’s cutscenes on the main menu. Other than that Halo 4’s story was fantastic, Its a shame the Halo 4 writer left 343i. Lets hope the new writer does a good job with Halo 5’s story (judging from spartan ops writing and certain Halo comics, things don’t look to good).

Multiplayer needs to be huge. It needs to make Halo’s experience new, not just by adding in new mechanics (wich spartan abilities did and I like that) but by making the multiplayer have huge battles. 32 vs 32, in matches with pelicans and scarabs as vehicles. Hell even have space battles in multiplayer with players that work as a crew on the bridge of a ship.

Also, Halo 5: G NEEDS to be as Hyped as Halo 3. Halo 3 sold 13 million. before those 13 million were sold I think only 5 million or so Xbox 360s were sold. Halo 5: G needs to make everyone who owns an Xbox One buy the game, and bring in people who don’t own an Xbox One to buy one for the game.

Mottled Mango, muh man! If I’m not mistaken, the XB1 is actually selling at a higher rate than the 360 did in the same amount of time. BO3 IS going to be big, because it’s going to have crazy/flashy stuff, but the moron Halo 2 skillgap worshipers practically want Halo to die, EVEN though it’s the most classic next gen console game. Classic weapon pickups, equal starts, hipfire reticles, etc. Halo still has a terific and award winning story to tell, not a 6 hour explosion festival like COD.

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> Mottled Mango, muh man! If I’m not mistaken, the XB1 is actually selling at a higher rate than the 360 did in the same amount of time. BO3 IS going to be big, because it’s going to have crazy/flashy stuff, but the moron Halo 2 skillgap worshipers practically want Halo to die, EVEN though it’s the most classic next gen console game. Classic weapon pickups, equal starts, hipfire reticles, etc. Halo still has a terific and award winning story to tell, not a 6 hour explosion festival like COD.

muh man!

Black ops 3 will crush H5.

Im not a COD guy but I enjoyed blops 2 MP. Halo MP has been trash for so long now. Since reach. That will be 7 years by the time H5 comes out.

I may buy blops 3. Im not buying H5.

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> Black ops 3 will crush H5.
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> Im not a COD guy but I enjoyed blops 2 MP. Halo MP has been trash for so long now. Since reach. That will be 7 years by the time H5 comes out.
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> I may buy blops 3. Im not buying H5.

I expected you! Halo 5 will probably get better reviews. BO3 will obviously sell more, because it’s multi-plat, but it’s funny how you always complain about Halo 5’s skillgap and balance, but yet you want a game that is WORSE. Lol, people these days…

Two completely different games this thread is full of fail

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> > Black ops 3 will crush H5.
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> > Im not a COD guy but I enjoyed blops 2 MP. Halo MP has been trash for so long now. Since reach. That will be 7 years by the time H5 comes out.
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> > I may buy blops 3. Im not buying H5.
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> I expected you! Halo 5 will probably get better reviews. BO3 will obviously sell more, because it’s multi-plat, but it’s funny how you always complain about Halo 5’s skillgap and balance, but yet you want a game that is WORSE. Lol, people these days…

For real, he doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. “Well, the way I see it is that since I don’t think it’s the Halo it used to be, I might as well play something terrible.”
LOGIC!

It’s going to suffer same fate as halo 4… Die after 6 months. I thought halo 4 was going to be like halo 3 and halo 2 I was wrong

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> Black ops 3 will crush H5.
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> Im not a COD guy but I enjoyed blops 2 MP. Halo MP has been trash for so long now. Since reach. That will be 7 years by the time H5 comes out.
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> I may buy blops 3. Im not buying H5.

**But that makes 0 sense…**People hate Halo Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5: G for becoming too much like CoD…

you like CoD Black Ops II…

So if you think Halo is becoming sucky (everyone who thinks Halo is becoming bad blames it on copying CoD too much)

So wouldn’t that mean you will like Halo 5: G?

Essentially if you think Halo 5: G is bad, you think its becoming CoD, yet you like CoD… it makes no sense…

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> Two completely different games this thread is full of fail

Both are first person shooters. Both games come from franchizes that shook the world due to popularity.

Edit: Go… just go if you are going to be non-constructive. Read the warning in the opening post.

Halo 5 will sell well and will have a decent community but with black ops 3 it’s community will go down. Black ops 2 stole players away from 4 and bo3 will steal from 5. It’s just how the market works. It’s treyarch so it’s going to be good. Bo2 was the best since mw2 imo. So a continuation of the game that many liked and it’s the game that got CoD in the MLG circuit. BO2 was good, campaign with choices that affected the outcome, new approach to multiplayer and of course zombies. Halo 5 will most likely be a better overall game but BO3 will sell because of multiplatform and its name alone.

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Personally I would like for Halo to sit on top again because I was about 8 in Halos prime so I ended up being a Reach kid however in reality the way the marketing for cancer ops 3 has been done it is creating a -Yoink- ton of hype around the story which is Halos unique selling point thus creating a clash between the two Which COD will win because “MASSONNNNN!!!” and flashy flashy Michael Bay inspired -Yoink- which appeals to every -Yoink!- 8 year old and his or hers -Yoink- dog and then the -Yoinking!- MP Jesus the only hope Halo has is if “Quick Scoping” (said in an 8 year old squeaky high pitched voice) just stops being a thing or if the MP is just dire (which in the minds of the fool’s it won’t be) or (and this is the killer) if the COD’s MP stops being an instant gratification based system (which if the devs have brains it will be insta grat) meaning BKs get -Yoink- on and stop playing. So in summary the Halo community needs to rise from the ashes get there internet warrior pants and start being vocal let’s create our own hype and spread to every corner of console forums lets make our own publicity our own hype if we want Halo on top we can’t let just 343 create hype we must share the love and we must make sure that everyone knows Halo 5 is making Halo come back and as a community we will put Halo back on top. Edit: Sorry for speaking a -Yoink- load of illiterate -Yoink-

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> > 2535458654857735;4:
> > Black ops 3 will crush H5.
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> > Im not a COD guy but I enjoyed blops 2 MP. Halo MP has been trash for so long now. Since reach. That will be 7 years by the time H5 comes out.
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> > I may buy blops 3. Im not buying H5.
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> **But that makes 0 sense…**People hate Halo Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5: G for becoming too much like CoD…
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> you like CoD Black Ops II…
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> So if you think Halo is becoming sucky (everyone who thinks Halo is becoming bad blames it on copying CoD too much)
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> So wouldn’t that mean you will like Halo 5: G?
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> Essentially if you think Halo 5: G is bad, you think its becoming CoD, yet you like CoD… it makes no sense…

Yeah, no, it makes perfect sense.

It is perfectly acceptable to like two or more games of the same genre, but not want one to become similar to the other(s).

You like games for different reasons, mainly for the gameplay. Well made gameplay sticks with you, more than often it’s a delicate environment carefully balanced. Things can be added, on top withput disturbing the balance, other things can be added that makes the whole game need an overhaul in balance.

So why is it acceptable to like both CoD and Halo but dislike that Halo is leaning more and more towards CoD? Because if they wish to keep some Halo things and add some CoD things, then it may very well not be very easy to balance things out, it upsets the initial balanced gameplay that was before into something else, neither CoD or Halo. The other thing would be that you do not really get anything new or continued of what you like. In the theoretical scenario that Halo 6 and CoD whatever it’ll be at that point are near identical, which game do you get a sequel of? And which is a copy? You’re not getting the continuation of one of the games now are you?

I liked C&C, AoE and Starcraft, but noway would I want any of those games to draw as much inspiration fron the others as much as 343 got “inspiration” ftom CoD.

I don’t think COD 4 took Halo’s throne, I think MW2 is to blame for that.

I remember when Halo 4 was coming out, myself and others thought Halo would make a comeback and kill Black Ops II, but man that was not the case.

It probably will happen again with H5, But not because it will be bad, just because Halo has had it’s glory days, and they probably won’t return sadly.

I would say COD’s glory days are numbered too.

H5 will get good reviews. But most of the big reviewers like IGN, and gamespot will give COD a good review just because it’s COD. Halo takes too much skill to play and that makes the people who suck at it mad so they go play a game like call of duty. Cod is an easy game to play that’s why it will always be popular.

I don’t care how popular Halo is compared to other franchises. So long as I like H5 and I can always find a match of BTB or Rumble Pit, I’ll be fine.

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> I don’t care how popular Halo is compared to other franchises. So long as I like H5 and I can always find a match of BTB or Rumble Pit, I’ll be fine.

My thoughts exactly. Some of you guys sound like you make commission off the halo sales lol

Black ops 3 is going to be terrible due to having the same -Yoink- as advanced warfare and that game was awful. Cod sucks period

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> > Black ops 3 will crush H5.
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> > Im not a COD guy but I enjoyed blops 2 MP. Halo MP has been trash for so long now. Since reach. That will be 7 years by the time H5 comes out.
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> > I may buy blops 3. Im not buying H5.
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> I expected you! Halo 5 will probably get better reviews. BO3 will obviously sell more, because it’s multi-plat, but it’s funny how you always complain about Halo 5’s skillgap and balance, but yet you want a game that is WORSE. Lol, people these days…

Blops will sell better on just the xb1 alone.

COD’s mechanics work. They were all designed for COD. H4 and H5 just ripped mechanics out of other games and its a mess.

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> > 2535458654857735;4:
> > Black ops 3 will crush H5.
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> > Im not a COD guy but I enjoyed blops 2 MP. Halo MP has been trash for so long now. Since reach. That will be 7 years by the time H5 comes out.
> >
> > I may buy blops 3. Im not buying H5.
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> **But that makes 0 sense…**People hate Halo Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5: G for becoming too much like CoD…
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> you like CoD Black Ops II…
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> So if you think Halo is becoming sucky (everyone who thinks Halo is becoming bad blames it on copying CoD too much)
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> So wouldn’t that mean you will like Halo 5: G?
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> Essentially if you think Halo 5: G is bad, you think its becoming CoD, yet you like CoD… it makes no sense…

Its basic math.

Game that is 100% Halo = amazing
Game that is 100% COD = OK
Game that is 50% Halo 50% COD = Terrible

The mechanics theyve chosen to adopt from other games do not work in conjuction with the halo mechanics that the kept.