Halo 5 for MCC on PC/Series X (343i response appreciated)

Games Halo: The Master Chief Collection
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Yeah and Halo 4 was different from how Halo Reach was, Reach was different from ODST, ODST was different from 3, 3 from 2, 2 from CE, you see how this point makes no sense right?

Halo 5 would cause issues simply because it’s almost twice the size of MCC content wise, everything would be overbloated and most likely cause several gamebreaking bugs that would most likely never be fixed.

In all honesty 343 could completely remove the REQ system from Halo 5 and make weapons/vehicles/reqs single unlock permanent use items, which imo would boost Warzones population by a landslide, especially firefight. People would actually play if they didn’t have to worry about losing their only nornfang or oni scorpion.

Ok and why is that? Because I can list 3 BIG reasons why Halo 5 on PC, specifically Steam as a standalone port could undo a LOT of the damage to the franchise and 343’s reputation that Infinite has done:

  1. Continued support to squash any remaining bugs on both PC and Xbox thus making Halo 5 a more stable game on both ends, not to mention the potential of fixing Infection Custom Games, which haven’t been functioning properly for years now.

  2. Adding the content they didn’t have time to add. We know there’s one more grenade launcher variant in the game as well as a sentinel beam variant, along with an unfinished Falcon, so odds are Halo 5 could actually wind up getting a bigger glow up than MCC did.

  3. Three words: Official Mod Support.

Halo 5 is fun enough on it’s own, but mod support would revolutionize it as nobody has really modded Halo 5 like they have with MCC. Imagine entirely new weapons in the game or even old weapons coming back with variants like the Brute Shot or the Mauler, or hell why not even throw the Halo 3 magnum in there?

My point being there’s ZERO reason Halo 5 shouldn’t have a standalone Steam PC port, it’d be a literal goldmine for 343, and yes I would pay 60$ for the game a second time, because I enjoy it that much and play it as frequently as MCC.

However I would like to hear your thoughts as to why any kind of Halo 5 PC port is a bad idea.

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I never had much issue with the aiming in H5 (unlike Infinite). What was wrong with it?

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you are compleet wrong.
halo 4,halo 3,halo reach, halo2 and halo ce share 1 thing what halo 5 not has.
all the game’s are not bount to a item shop system since there never got one.
halo 5 is bount to the REQ system what is also bount to the item shop at the same time.

and then you destroy the halo collection for good that never can be fix any more.

the same stupid mistake there have done with halo infinite.
you get all the halo infinite problems then also in halo 5.

and the bigst reason why there never most release it on the pc is:
there need to focus on halo infinite now only and not waste time to something like this to make halo 5 playable on the PC.
since halo infinite has a big long list off problems there need to deal with and fix since its in so crap state now that something like this is not that inportent at all.

its the same thoughts we got about halo infinite when there told its also going get a release on the pc that we told 343 back then from the big problems you only get from it.
and look how halo infinite has end it.

its thanks to the pc input we get force crossplay nobody like’s.
the console communety blame’s the PC communety for the cheating problem it has.
and then i have not talk about the big KBM vs controler discusion what has become more a war.
that are the 3 main problems halo infinite now has thanks to the PC input more.

that the halo infinite has Free to play multiplayer has it make the first 2 problems only bigger and more worse.

edit: if you wane read that thread now you cant.
since 1: i not know if its still on the forum at all since there have chance the forum last year compleet.
and 2: if it was still on the forum its unread able and if you wane see it with your own eye’s look at the threads in the other halo tap then you will see what i mean why its unread able.

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It was very slow and uncomfortable. I could play to an extent, but it was always a struggle.

Heavy aim was very apparent. There’s even a GDC explaining heavy aim and what was causing it.

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The entire goal of what MCC is suppose to be, is that all last generation (6thgen and 7thgen) Halo games, would be brought to the current generations, (8thgen and 9thgen).

Halo 5 was already made for the current generations. And it came out after MCC released. Halo 5, should stay as a stand-alone title. I agree that 8thgen consoles shouldn’t hold back gaming,. But Halo 5 shouldn’t get added to MCC.

The amount of glitches and bugs it will add will be absurd. When they added elite armors during season 7, all Halo 2 custom games broke and were unplayable killing the community that was on there. I’m pretty sure an entire game that is around 90gigs will break a million features that are already on the verge of collapsing.

The exchange or season pass will be flooded with Halo 5 content that no one wants. Halo 5’s customization was built around loot boxes, and not made for how the current MCC customization is.

Lastly, the Halo 5 community is not dying because it is a standalone title, it is because it is a subpar game compared to the rest of Halo series. I personally wouldn’t want Halo 5 to stain what Halo MCC is, a collection of games that released before current generations.

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I agree, H5 should come to PC and get Series X/S performance upgrades.
But it should come as a standalone and NOT being added to MCC

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And that is? If you say the same engine, Halo 5 shares that too.

Which is why I DON’T want Halo 5 as part of MCC and want it as a standalone Steam port instead.

Ah finally a point of view I can actually understand, however what you fail to realize is Infinite is beyond saving at this point, Forge didn’t save it, CGB didn’t save it, 343 player their hand and it didn’t pan out in their favor.
While I agree fixing Infinite IS important, there’s so much wrong with it that there’s no way the entirety of what’s wrong will ever be fixed.

That being said I’d be willing to bet right now there are more people playing MCC and 5 than there are Infinite.

And these problems would be what exactly? You keep going on about these problems but you don’t exactly specify what exactly they are.

MCC doesn’t have those problems if I recall. You think Infinite is the golden standard for PC ports or something? Cause it isn’t, that would be MCC.

Ok see now we get to the problem, I agree forced cross-play is stupid and shouldn’t exist. HOWEVER MCC on the other hand has a cross-play feature, you can turn off.

As they should because let’s face it the only way you’re cheating in any Halo game on Xbox besides a modded controller with aimbot, is with a devkitted Xbox.

To be fair that only became a war because of how Infinite’s aiming is pathetically bad.

Oh believe me I am 100% aware of how bad Free to Play is not just for Halo but for the industry in general, if Infinite wasn’t so busy trying and failing to be a Free to Play Live Service game it might’ve actually turned out really good.

But again you seem to think that a Standalone PC port of Halo 5 will be exactly like Infinite, which it won’t. 343 has forced cross-play most likely because the slipspace engine doesn’t allow for it to be turned off, whereas MCC’s and H5’s blam engine does.

Also you seem to think 343 is only comprised of the Halo Infinite team. The MCC team could more than pull off a H5 standalone Steam port once they finish up with MCC, meaning when MCC support stops, H5 PC support begins.

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Halo 5 is far from subpar, but I agree it should not be part of the MCC, namely due to its size. More than doubling MCC’s file size would be a disaster. No, H5 should get a standalone PC port.

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I agree that Halo 5 should get a standalone port. Halo 5 is subpar when compared to the other Halo games. Not games in general

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your answer :arrow_down:

and the reason why its beyond saving are the wrong choose’s there have make with it.
force crossplay,no anti cheat software,low playlist selection,F2P, release on the PC, not fix the problems good and keep on with the list what has going wrong.

that can or there all move away to other game’s since there have been a lot off new game’s release all or some other game’s got new contant.

this: :arrow_down:

what i mean was that at the time 343 told that halo MCC gets a pc port and also at the same time there told that halo infinite that was still in developing also gets a PC port from the start.
round that time a lot off people are not happy about it that halo infinite gets a PC port from the start.

for MCC there have done it right so there are less problems you get since its a option with it.
halo infinite has force crossplay so you get a lot off big problems with it.
so you see the diffrend that if its a option you get less problems with it and if its force you get a lot off big problems with it.

modded controllers and stuff like that is something 343 not most deal with since its microsoft job to deal with it since its there xbox console and there xbox consoler if there are stuff that are not lisensie by then.
its the same with the playstation its sony job.
same with the switch its nintendo job.
that means if there are modded controlers the big boys you can call then most deal with then not the game developers.

let me tell you this there is a super easy solution to fix it right.
make the input crossplay a option.
that the player can choose if there wane play with contolers players only, KBM players only, or wane play against both.
and that solution has been told on this forum for a lot off time’s all.
same between platform make the crossplay a option and let the players choose if there wane play with both platforms or with there own platform.
its almost 1 year i think both solutions have been post on the forum how to fix the problems in the communety good.

do you know Warzone from cod the 1.0 version.
was also free to play.
when that launch halo infinite was in developing still.
now i can tell that the news about how many cheaters there have bann all it its life spam round the 1 mill i think.
and at that time people told on this forum its going to end really bad also for halo infinite if there keep follow the F2P formule for multiplayer.
and see how things have turn out when you can learn from a other game that make’s the same mistake all.

if that is the problem why crossplay cant become a option then there have make a giga mistake with it.
then here is my question about it.
why have there not told it there cant if its thanks to the game engine.
since its a lot easyer for us as players to know it and also at the same time we know we not have to ask it any more for it to make it a option in the first place.

if there are 2 teams that 1 team is working on halo infinite and the other team on MCC.
then its better that the MCC team helps out the halo infinite team.
since the halo infinite team has make so much problems all that it has damage all the compleet serie’s name all.
since if you see on social media’s that if a gaming news site like IGN is reporting something about halo infinite then you can read on the comments that people are making fun of the halo serie’s all and about the game.
its the same with the halo streamers some off then have stop streaming or making new contant and took a break since you cant tell anything good about it anymore.

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Releasing it on PC is the only thing on that list that makes no sense, everything else I agree with.

Ok but you realize Halo was a PC release day 1 back in the days of CE right? Like Halos origins ARE PC releases. Again you still haven’t shown me anything that makes any of these PC releases bad. What I’m seeing more if in your arguments is that your upset Halo isn’t exclusive to Xbox anymore, it never was.

Of course you do. Any competent game dev would know to make cross-play 100% optional in ALL instances, ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON’T HAVE AN ANTI-CHEAT SYSTEM IMPLEMENTED. Sorry for caps, that was for those responsible for doing exactly what I cap locked.

Most if not all of the community has been saying this since day 1 of Infinite, 343 is just choosing to ignore it.

I was one of those people, I am vehemently against any and all forms of Free to Play games outside of demos and small indie titles.

Ego., 343 doesn’t want to admit the Slipspace Engine project was a colossal failure and a big reason as to why Infinite is as bad as it is.

I mean you act like 343 has been making well informed decisions regarding Infinite, they haven’t, forced crossplay on an engine almost nobody there has figured out how to stabilize yet is high on that list.

Here’s the thing the MCC team is a skeleton crew, small team, they were also taken off of Halo MCC to help with Infinites launch and that did absolutely nothing of value to the quality control of the game.

I’m going to make this as clear as day just so you understand my stance: I HOPE Halo Infinite has support cut after Season 3 drops aside from bug fixes, it’s a bad game and honestly shouldn’t have been made.

When I say bad game I don’t mean “I don’t like the mechanics” I mean “The game barely functions.” If I were to give an accurate visual depiction of Halo Infinites functionality and stability, think Springtrap from the FNAF 3 teaser trailer, glitching and spazzing out in a corner.

Halo 5 is at least stable gameplay wise, the menus could use some work, but the game itself runs. Halo Infinite has a new crash bug every month.

Longstory short: I’d rather Halo Infinite have support cut and resources put into a H5 PC port, something a lot of the community actually wants, so long as crossplay is a toggle option and not forced.

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The MCC Team can’t just ditch for Infinite, MCC still has a playerbase and there are still large issues that need to be fixed, if you want more people working on Infinite, ask Microsoft and their virtually infinite supply of cash to hire more developers

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how many players and communety members know there are 2 teams in the first place.
that there is a team for halo infinite and a other for MCC.
since i have not knowing that at all.

you know that halo infinite is now knowing as a compleet broken game by now.
that means its also hurting the MCC reputation more.
since the halo name in general has a reputation problem by now thanks to one game more.

i not know if you follow gaming news site’s like IGN but the last time there post something about halo infinite some people have starting to make this type joke’s about the halo serie’s in general more:
that there most give the halo IP to sony and not to microsoft.
so low has it become with the halo serie’s name now.

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and thats now something a lot off the xbox communety players disagree with you now a days.
that is now what you get with force crossplay more that some people from one side see it that way.
a lot off xbox communety players do not care if there release it on the pc also so long there not have to play against it by force then you get a diffrend story if its force then you get a 360 and wish it was never release at all on the pc platform in the first place.

i know that good.
but here is a question for you its the same i ask always to any PC player that tells me this each time.
why was the orginal Halo 3,halo 3 ODST,Halo Reach,Halo 4 and Halo 5 all release on the xbox console only.
and not on the PC also back then.
and about this part: Again you still haven’t shown me anything that makes any of these PC releases bad.
since there told that halo infinite also get crossplay between Xbox and PC people have ask to make it a option and not force.
since most off the xbox communety hate to play against the PC communety since there have the highst risk level on cheating.
that means not all pc players use cheats but some do and warzone from cod back then has proof a lot how high the risk was with it.
and now with the KBM vs controler discusion that has become a war more and only become’s more worse.
some people are then going to chance there view more about things that there see the problem by the release it on the PC platform as the start from it.

i not care at all if there release halo also on the PC platform.
i not care at all that halo 5 gets a PC inport also.
what i care is that i not wane play againt the PC players at all in any halo game.
so if there force me to play with and against the PC communety and not wane make it a option.
then i also agree with the point it was much better if it was not release on the PC platform at all in the first place since then we never got this type problems in the first place.

i agree 100% with you on this point.
but i have see that some developers not have think good about the bad effect’s or worse effect’s from things can do.
good exemple is the F2P.
the good effect from it that the population from the game can become biger then normal.
the worst effect from it its also a invinte to cheaters that you tell you are welcome here to use cheats in this game since banning there accounts is doing notting at all anymore.

here is also something new.
there is a big KBM vs Controler discusion war.
lets give the KBM input a update boost.
the update has give fuel to the war fight only more.

thats why the halo serie’s has now also a reputation problem in general since this type mistake’s have been make.

its much better to drop the support for the multiplayer side compleet since it has the worst reputation that its better to make halo infinite serie’s a campaign only game without multiplayer at all.
then there can maybe restore the halo name better in a good way then now with the compleet broken multiplayer.

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This is factually incorrect and heavily opinionated.

Most of the Xbox community raves about PC ports, yes there are some bad ones, but Infinite is the FIRST AND ONLY one I’ve seen so far from Microsoft that forces crossplay so you can’t use that argument for any game other than Infinite at this point in time.

Because those games were made in a time where Microsoft was focused on exclusivity and not accessability as they are now, it has nothing to do with people not wanting them because they Halo community begged for years for PC ports of 3, ODST, AND Reach.

And here you’ve shown your hand. You only use Halo Infinite as a source for your argument which is pretty weak to begin with, but now you’re saying a Halo 5 PC port will be bad because of “forced” crossplay despite MCC having optional crossplay? Am I getting that right?

I agree playing with PC players isn’t ideal as yes they are the primary source of cheaters in the community, but PC Steam ports would benefit each Halo title more than they would hurt them. Aside from Infinite which seems to be held together with tape and used chewing gum, MCC has thrived on both PC and Xbox these last couple of years.

You do realize you can play almost every Halo game on Xbox using a KBM setup right? I don’t use it, but this is pretty common knowledge. This has been a thing for years at this point.

Agreed, 343 seems to be eager to please fans with MCC, and eager to ignore them with literally everything else, not saying they are doing this intentionally, but how Infinite was handled, and how they go radio silent for so long sure feels that way.

Nah, put the game down altogether. Nothing worth salvaging as Halo can’t survive without MP. Campaign and MP are integral to any Halo game. Campaign is the investment and MP is the longevity, they both need to be present for a Halo game to thrive. Even ODST knew this and added Firefight to the mix instead of traditional MP.

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Not even a little. Halo 5’s advanced movement is scuffed sure, but it’s by no means subpar not even to other Halo titles except maybe Reach and 3.

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i understand there could be an argument made for adding halo 5 into the mcc, but i believe the game is better off if it’s released as its own title onto pc

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you know that halo infinite has give 343 a big trust problem also in the communety.
you know that if there promice that if halo 5 gets a pc port that crossplay become’s a option there not going to trust that anymore.
since we have see that in halo infinite with Co-Op splitscreen that was a 3/4 year promice there destroy compleet to the ground.

like i told before all.
the halo infinite team has make so much problems this year with the game that the compleet halo serie’s has a bad reputation now a day’s.
so things like this give some people no trust if its going to end good.
if you read my replay to noseos you read how worse it is with the reputation on social media all.
if people call something like that all then its not good reputation the game has and the trust level is really low its lower then halo 5 and halo 4 got back then in there life spawns.

can the reason not be why there are no PC ports back then and same go’s for halo 4 and halo 5 there wane add the crossplay system to it so that xbox and PC can play with each other but there not know how to do it at all.
look MCC it took some years later before it got’s a PC port in years.

your right.
if halo 5 gets a PC port that means there going to add force crossplay also to it.
look the new cod game MW2 the same thing has happing between Xbox and PC its force crossplay again and people are not happy about it again there since microsoft not has learn at all.
same with halo infinite people have been asking for 1 full year all to make crossplay a option and show there hate the force system.
so if 1+1=2 them you know there is also a 3th time there going to do it then.

a lot off people that play the halo serie’s on the console only wane give you guys the PC players also the enjoy about the halo serie’s on the PC port since we are all halo fans at all.
and that means not we all wane play with the PC communety at all and thats the problem we have now more by the mistake’s halo infinite has done.

i play halo on the xbox console since halo 3 and i give notting at all if the halo game’s gets a PC port at all.
i only not wane play with then at all in the multiplayer since i not trust any pc player in there.
i have not play halo infinite multiplayer at all since it has force crossplay and i told that some years ago all.
if halo infinite gets force crossplay i not going to play the multiplayer at all.

halo 5 is now only working on the xbox console and i like that to keep it so and that it not gets a PC port at all since i not trust 343 with it at all there going to add crossplay that become’s a option and not do the same thing then and make it force.

then we go to the trust part the halo titels have now its not good at all its compleet gone more.
and thats now the diffrend side from it.
its good for the halo titels if it gets a PC port but then you need also the trust in the communety and thats compleet destroy at all.
MCC got a good reputation and there have work really hard to restore it with a broken launch day.
but all that trust is now compleet gone now more thanks to halo infinite.
so people are going to think now twice or more if its a good idea to do something like that.

i know that really good.
but some people are not going to mess up there gaming setup there have make for the xbox console with controler at all.
and you have also that not going to switch at all since it feels better with the controler then with KBM.
why you think pro halo players use a controler and not the KBM since its feel much better with the controler then KBM.

there was on the halo infinite tap a thread that has told the right thing how it has to be done more.
when a topic on the forum become’s super hot and its almost going to blow the developers most stop it by explaning it to the communety members why there choose for that or why it cant be done before its blow up and creat a war more.

take the force crossplay it has blow up compleet and the xbox communety and the PC communety are more at war now against each other and the PC communety gets also more blame’s to then more.
and hate like it was better it was not release on the PC port at all.

take the KBM vs controler discusion hot topic has also blow up compleet.
what have there done make it 10 time’s more worse with the winter update.
not that there make sure its cooldown first and fix it good in the communety.

then you make only things more worse.
you know there are people that have pay for the campaign part for the disc version or the digital only version.
so how are you then going to fix that problem since if you scrap that part also for then you compleet the halo serie’s name for good and its compleet death then no new halo game can save the serie’s any more.
i have the disc version for halo infinite campaign also so i am not happy about that part at all.
the multiplayer is free to play so scrap that in this state is not going to do anything more worse at all.
the campaign is a compleet diffrend story that is not free to play its pay to play.

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I think most people know that their are two teams? Or at least know 343i keeps their hands on both games. I wouldn’t make sense to put all your eggs in one basket.

I’ve been playing Infinite lately, Halo MCC is more broken than it. And if it was, it wouldn’t hurt MCC directly. Most players swap between the two or if they only play MCC for a specific game they like. All MCC games are 10 years old now (H2A excluded), people aren’t going to stop playing them because the newest game isn’t that good.

And gaming websites are a joke now, IGN is a shell of valueless content, or their reviews are generic and have no actual meaning to them. And I haven’t heard anyone joke about giving Halo to Sony, only you?

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You already have a thread on this.