Halo 5 feels like a upgrade from Halo Infinite

Halo Infinite movement VS Halo Guardians movement is similar to Titanfall VS Apex Legends.

Titanfall having the ability to wall run was huge for movement and Apex Legends removing that certainly calmed the game down.

Same way I see thrusters in Halo infinite.
Making then a pickup just slowdown the gameplay to something more people could handle.

Same as Halo 5 guardians.
These guys couldn’t handle it and the honesty factor about it is simply low.

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They can’t keep retconning the story every single game.

It’s cowardly that they looked at Halo 5, looked at the Logic Plague theories everybody passed around, then back to Halo 5; then decided let’s kill Cortana off a second time and handwave it in flashbacks. But let’s throw broken Cortana under the bus even more so we can sell this new and clean model to you.

You can’t retcon a major cliffhanger and plot points like the Galaxy being taken over by AI and act like nothing happened. This is not the same as the Didact falling into a pit and his fate left unclear after a defeat. It is terrible world building and has made the state of the galaxy incomprehensible. Not in a mysterious way, but in a “stop asking questions” way.

At this point Chief might as well get in the Time Machine because that would actually make more sense than the hand waving they’ve done to fabricate this situation in Infinite.

Which was done to push a faction introduced in a game series for which they don’t even want to make a sequel and didn’t sell well.

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TBH with the ending of Infinite. I expect some sort of time travel to be a thing.

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To be fair, Halo 5’s story was LITERALLY Brain Reed’s highschool fanfiction made canon.

“My cool OC Spartans are joined by Edward Buck, who is ALSO a Spartan now, to go save Master Chief and his friends from his angry ex-girlfriend (no I am NOT butthurt about Jessica breaking up with me)”

What sucks is that the ORIGINAL story that Halo 5 was going to have was 117x BETTER than what we got from Brian Reed being promoted to Narrative Director and then screwing everything up with his terrible writing.

I could lock a fingerless monkey in a room with illegal narcotics and a typewriter, and come back a month later to find a much more comprehensive script and narrative than what Brian Reed had put out.

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This is the end of Part 1. Part 2 should release something within the next two years.

I’d say a year. Since they are doing a whole games as a service model thing I assume they are working on the next expansion right now along with forge and all the other stuff. I expect something like 1 expansion a year.

Hahaha

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Yes, even down to Cortana moving in with the big robot who’s super sus about Chief coming to take out the trash. Subtle. Very subtle.

Look there’s some cringe stuff in there. I am not going to lie. The dialogue does not sell itself.

Like if I talk about Halo 5 I begin with the assumption that Cortana is clearly not herself and been twisted by rampancy or the Logic Plague. The alternative is too dumb to be even be worth mentioning.

But I still say that her being a Rogue Servitor, to borrow the Stellaris term, was a good idea done wrong and you just had to say “it was all the Gravemind” twisting her purpose to make that work.

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I like your optimism, but 1 year isn’t really that realistic.

Given the fact that they spent quite a few years on the development of Infinite, AND that Covid had slowed production down a lot; I would assume that 2-3 years for a story expansion starring the Master Chief. To tide us over, we might see mini-DLC campaigns added in.

After all, there are a lot of other stories that could be told and Halo Infinite opened a lot of questions.

Such as Spartan Agryna from the Spartan Academy. Is she going to search for the UNSC Infinity and find out what happened to Captain Laskey?

Or what about that Guardian that is crashed in the vista to the south of the playable area?

In order to not clutter up John’s story, it would be neat to have DLC campaigns focused on other characters answering our questions.

Maybe a minor expansion like those half complete islands. Possibly some in map activities.

But with everything going on in the world and with the game I just don’t see it this year.

You know, this reminds me.

I was able to piece together the original story that Halo 5 was going to have before Brian Reed meddled with everything. And then as a creative writing challenge, I decided to rewrite the story as it was but tweak the final act to still have it lead into Halo Infinite somewhat.

I wonder if the forum will let me post the link to the Google Doc… or am I still considered to be a “new member” because they decided to change the forum to a new service provider?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SgMQ0hbk3BFofkeWSE7zv5TAJiz4phZfYQGuhP3DsCQ/edit?usp=sharing

Here’s hoping.

EDIT -
Keep in mind, this is just a story summarized, not an actual script with dialogue.

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Not only that but I’m pulling these guesses right out of my butt too.

I agree. Whenever I can I try to push for a none canon pirate DLC where we fight against the forces of MY OC, Yarp Yarp the Peg Legged and a none cannon fantasy DLC with spoopy ghosts and wizards and stuff.

New Halo game comes out

“Man, don’t you guys just miss Halo Infinite? So much better compared to this crap heap. Don’t know why it was so hated.”

Nothing will make me like Halo 5 anymore than I already do.

It is a 1/10 in my book, with the only saving graces being Custom Games, Forge, and non-duplicates in the lootbox system.

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Yeah, in Halo 4 the Didact does show an odd interest in Cortana. Him being the cause of her becoming a powerful Forerunner AI Frankenstein thing seemed a pretty easy way for them to go.

That was my impression of Hunt the Truth. Chief wants to save Cortana. This puts him at odds with the UNSC so Locke goes to stop him. The whole him trying to save Chief from Cortana, when Cortana has no intention of hurting Chief and Chief knows Cortana is dangerous. :thinking:

See that’s the thing. You could have fit the Didact and Janus Key into Halo 5 pretty easily. His hubris in believing he could control a remade Cortana like his Prometheans makes sense and the Janus Key is a ready made McGuffin for hopping across the Galaxy.

I liked the bit where Cortana gets a Scattershot and kills the Didact with a shotgun. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: Mega intelligent AI, I’ll do it myself.

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SEE !!!

The final act I changed the script a little to lead into Halo Infinite.

The original script was going to have The Didact and Jul 'Mdama be the main antagonists. BUT BRIAN REED decided to ruin the story by killing The Didact in a comic book, destroying The Janus Key, and then killing Jul in the starting minutes of his new script. John’s goal was originally to find Mendicant Bias and Dr. Halsey to attempt to fix Cortana.

And do you know what REALLY HURTS?
The marketing teams were basing their commercials on the original script.

Yeah but to circle back round. That doesn’t mean it’s a good idea now to cut all the Halo 5 plot lines and fridge Cortana.

  • Cortana ruled the Galaxy for a year. How did that go exactly? We still don’t have a clear answer on that; especially with Earth. Are they just all scratching their heads wondering why the Organic Paradise stopped dispensing free Ice Cream, are they all in detention camps; I ve no idea. But I suspect this will be handwaved and it’ll be back to normal Earth in ohh about a ten second cutscene. Our multi Spartans kicking a dead Promethean “well that saved us the trouble”.

  • How does the UNSC reestablish control over the nation without its colonies taking the chance to secede? If the answer is: humans are the good guys and all on the same page. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes::grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes::grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

  • Why would humanity keep Smart AI? If there’s no secondary cause like the Logic Plague then they obviously can’t be trusted.

  • If they get rid of Smart AI, how do they do this without the economy and society collapsing; on top of all their problems taking control back in human space.

  • Rather than have a Geth/Quarian style settlement to draw a line under the status of AI you’re going to have this bizarre return to status quo of them being willing slaves. That’s a little disconcerting.

  • How does the UNSC get all its ships back?

  • So if the UNSC killed all the Created because they don’t like taking orders from toasters how is that different than the Quarians exterminating the Geth?

  • What happened to the people who supported the Created like the Grunts on Balaho? Just back to normal then? Okay. No hard feelings.

Like that’s not even considering the issues of getting rid of the Domain, Guardians and Created.

For all the characters talk about unintended consequences, I think they’re off the mark with killing Cortana being a good idea for humanity. Really, the UNSC would be too weak to take over its former territory, the Banished and humanities enemies would swoop in, the colonies would secede, all the infrastructure supporting the captured worlds would stop working without the AI and lead to famine and unrest. All the Guardians would fall from the sky or explode killing even more people. It should be a disaster and it’s an extremely poorly thought out idea if the UNSC only plan was make bad AI go away everything good now. But, yeah I think given the tone of the game they’re going to scapegoat Cortana for anything bad and really they just want to make the setting back to status quo.

And this somehow justifies that they can make a new game with a similar bad launch? Where’s is the logic in that? Developers should be learning from past mistakes and not repeat them.

It feels mostly like they are trying to reinvent the wheel although the schematics are right there next to them (referring to Halo 5). And this is why the whole game reeks of a cash grab. Core gameplay exist but everything else is either seriously lacking or missing.

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It is all about the investors with this one.

Triple-A games yield high returns. And investors sign contracts guaranteeing high returns. But in the fine print of these contracts marks that delays to the games launch will have those returns still guaranteed… but with interest piled up on that as well.

343 made promises of how their cosmetics would go… … and then Covid happened, which slowed production down and caused Halo Infinite to be delayed on numerous occasions. So much so that now we are looking at the promised returns plus likely around 60% interest on returns for the investors.

Thus, 343 adopted a crappy Fortnite shop instead of keeping their promise, otherwise the company would have to file for bankruptcy. Which would result in us getting a game… and then having the game cancelled within 6 months.

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I thought 343 was a vehicle for Microsoft to sell consoles? Like a wholly owned subsidiary rather than with investors owning shares in it. I figured Microsoft pays the bills and they’re the ones 343 would answer to ultimately.

Investors also do it for thier own profit.
“I give you $20,000, and when the game reaches a certain return, I get my money back plus extra.”

And then the game is delayed so it becomes
“You signed this contract saying you would give me my money back BY THIS DATE ! And now, the game is finally releasing a year and a half behind schedule. So NOW my accountant’s calculations show me that you owe me $20,000 * a + 60%”.

Honestly though, I am glad that it isn’t somehow worse like EA levels of bad. Could you imagine if ALL cosmetics were locked behind a paywall?
“You want the Yoroi Armor and Tenrai Event Battle Pass? Cough up $20.”

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