I love Halo 5 and I fully support 343 in the changes they implemented and the direction they have taken Halo in. I am sincere when I say I am glad this community is now fractured beyond repair. Slowly but surely the disgruntled vocal minority will run of things to complain about and will move on. That will leave behind a solid player base who love Halo 5 and who actively play it on a regular basis. The fact that it is 10th on the list at the moment for games played on XB1 is a reflection on the volume of games out at the moment and shifts that have occurred within the industry. Halo will NEVER dominate the market as it once did, there are simply too many other options plus the PS4 is still far ahead in console sales. The Halo 5 gaming population is healthy and stable and will be quite fine moving forward. Over time with Forge now out and with the addition of more social playlists/custom games I imagine the population will increase a bit.
Furthermore, one thing that cannot be discounted is the fact that Halo 5 has the largest skill gap of any mutiplayer first person shooter. The younger gaming generation sadly has less patience when it comes to taking the time to learn the game and improve. Their mindset is largely instant access quick TTK so a game like Halo is not on the top of their priority list. 343 still has to try to grab as much of that market as they can as many old school vets have moved on and have families and work and do not have the kind of time they use to have to dedicate to playing video games. I am almost 36 and am the exception to the rule as I chose not to have a family but with work I still cannot put in the kind of time in I once did.
To attract new gamers and a new generation of gamers to Halo 343 had to speed up the game. Sprint was not a choice, it was a necessity. One that this VET absolutely loves and which, along with all the other new combat and movement mechanics, has greatly improved the Halo experience and has made it feel fresh and relevant. 60fps was also a must to achieve the level they wanted on the multiplayer side. The game plays remarkably smooth and the dedicated servers are solid.
Seeing how Bungie how devolved into a joke of a developer with their Activision overlords firmly in control, I can say with 100% certainty that Halo is in much better hands with 343. I can’t wait to see what they have in store going forward as they release additional updates to Halo 5 and work towards Halo 6.
Halo 4 divided the community. Halo 5 ruptured the fault line. Time to move forward. If you do not like the direction Halo has been taken in simply leave Waypoint and go play something you do enjoy. The changes introduced to the game mechanics in Halo 5 are now a core part of the Halo gaming experience and will never be removed. Accept and embrace the changes or move on. Or continue to cry havoc, I really do not care at this point. I really am not interested in interacting with Halo fans that do not like Halo 5. I am in the Halo 5 forums because I love playing Halo 5. I am only interested in interacting with others that enjoy playing Halo 5. I genuinely do not care about the disgruntled vocal minority. The community is broken, divided, and I have picked my side.
Correction, Halo Reach divided the community, H4 hammered the nail into the coffin.
PS - You are assuming about who is the majority and who is the minority. Until you do your own research, you probably should not talk in regards to what is what.
I think the general consensus is that the campaign had some major flaws and theres annoyance at the way the game was marketed. I’ve broadly speaking only heard positive things about the multiplayer.
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> PS - You are assuming about who is the majority and who is the minority. Until you do your own research, you probably should not talk in regards to what is what.
The majority of the gaming population will NEVER visit Waypoint. Waypoint is but a small sample of the Halo gaming population. The amount of people playing Halo 5 far exceeds the amount of members on Waypoint. Simple math wins the day.
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> The majority of the gaming population will NEVER visit Waypoint. Waypoint is but a small sample of the Halo gaming population. The amount of people playing Halo 5 far exceeds the amount of members on Waypoint. Simple math wins the day.
Okay then, if you are talking about the Waypoint forums only it sure seems to me that the disgruntled are the majority. Simple psychology wins the day. Everybody knows negative complaints about a product win the day.
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> The majority of the gaming population will NEVER visit Waypoint. Waypoint is but a small sample of the Halo gaming population. The amount of people playing Halo 5 far exceeds the amount of members on Waypoint. Simple math wins the day.
So you are assuming that people who don’t go on the Waypoint or any other forum have a certain opinion on a topic? That’s just illogical. We don’t know what other people think if they don’t express their thoughts on a topic or issue. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but assuming something is never a good idea.
I do not hate the new halo but preferred the old days, you can’t just say “You dont like it? then leave” Its like having a child doing bad stuff and getting angry and wanting them to change, you’re not just gonna leave them right?
And yes halo could have returned to those glory days if they changed the gameplay but we have now reached a point of no return.
Vocal minority? you mean the opposite right? look at the population, yes it isn’t because of solely sprint its one of the main reasons. i talked to a lot of my friends who played the older halos and all they said about h5 was that “They f#cked it up” those are the words coming out of people who can be considered casual who dont spend time on a forum discussing issues and then you are gonna say that we are the minority? The numbers speak for themselves.
Sprint was a choice they had and they thought it was the better option simple as that it was not a necessity.
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> This seems to be the overall opinion on both Halo 4 and 5
Halo 4 did not have a terrible mp it just was that it wasnt “halo”
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> I love Halo 5 and I fully support 343 in the changes they implemented and the direction they have taken Halo in. I am sincere when I say I am glad this community is now fractured beyond repair. Slowly but surely the disgruntled vocal minority will run of things to complain about and will move on. That will leave behind a solid player base who love Halo 5 and who actively play it on a regular basis. The fact that it is 10th on the list at the moment for games played on XB1 is a reflection on the volume of games out at the moment and shifts that have occurred within the industry. Halo will NEVER dominate the market as it once did, there are simply too many other options plus the PS4 is still far ahead in console sales. The community is healthy and stable and will be quite fine moving forward. Over time with Forge now out and with the addition of more social playlists/custom games I imagine the population will increase a bit.
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> Halo 4
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> Bad campaign
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> This seems to be the overall opinion on both Halo 4 and 5
Compared to H5 MP the H4 MP was great in my opinion
Solid base of H5 players? A great percentage of your solid base is this made up Vocal minority that 343 said when they were butthurt about feedback. All the people nagging, like me are still playing the game and faithful to Halo like you wouldn’t know, just not to 343. Trust me, there are a lot of mees criticizing your perfect Halo game and substaining your population. A lot of new people are on Cod.
Love that guy. His whole break down of how many hours to play to reach max rank was priceless, as well as the truth of how 343 really feels about criticism.
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> Okay then, if you are talking about the Waypoint forums only it sure seems to me that the disgruntled are the majority. Simple psychology wins the day. Everybody knows negative complaints about a product win the day.
If you think 343 really cares about the disgruntled vets at Waypoint you really do not understand the current state of the industry. 343 has a long term plan for Halo and will continue to slowly pull the game further and further away from it origins over time. It will evolve, as it should, and I trust 343 in the direction they are taking the game in. Sure they brought in MLG types for recommendations on the multiplayer side, but that was less a nod to old school Halo and more pushing multiplayer in the ESports Arena and getting a feel for what was needed to bring in new gamers to an old, stale multiplayer experience.
Bottom line sales were fine and community is stable. The disgruntled at Waypoint represent a much smaller population than those that are actively playing the game on a daily basis. 343 is, and should continue to, focus on it’s playing community and attracting new gamers to the franchise. It has been obvious for some time that the community is divided and 343 will never win with some. Again, simple math. Waypoint represents a small fraction of the overall Halo 5 gaming population.
As for Waypoint and specifically Halo 5, the vocal minority actively hijacks and stifles positive threads and discussion. The very fact that other Waypoint members enjoy Halo 5 bothers them to an almost unhealthy degree. The negative narrative has slowed since launch and will continue to slow as the disgruntled portion of the community moves on to other games or goes back to MCC or Reach. Eventually the narrative will flip. Lines have been drawn in the sand. Those that hate Halo 5 and those that love it have nothing in common at this point. The forum would be better served being divided into two camps so each can engage in discussion that is enjoyable rather than trying to push a particular perspective or fight over issues that are no longer relevant. Halo 5 is what it is. Play it, or don’t. Simple.
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> > I love Halo 5 and I fully support 343 in the changes they implemented and the direction they have taken Halo in. I am sincere when I say I am glad this community is now fractured beyond repair. Slowly but surely the disgruntled vocal minority will run of things to complain about and will move on. That will leave behind a solid player base who love Halo 5 and who actively play it on a regular basis. The fact that it is 10th on the list at the moment for games played on XB1 is a reflection on the volume of games out at the moment and shifts that have occurred within the industry. Halo will NEVER dominate the market as it once did, there are simply too many other options plus the PS4 is still far ahead in console sales. The community is healthy and stable and will be quite fine moving forward. Over time with Forge now out and with the addition of more social playlists/custom games I imagine the population will increase a bit.
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Not sure how that’s a checkmate when it clearly proves the OP has contradicting statements, and cannot decide whether the community is fractured or healthy.
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> So you are assuming that people who don’t go on the Waypoint or any other forum have a certain opinion on a topic? That’s just illogical. We don’t know what other people think if they don’t express their thoughts on a topic or issue. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but assuming something is never a good idea.
It is a simple matter of numbers. Active playing community vs Waypoint membership numbers. The amount of people playing Halo 5 far exceeds Waypoint membership numbers. People generally do not play games that they do not like. There are those rare handful that think they are trying to save Halo because of some borderline obsession but by and large people play games they enjoy and avoid games they do not.
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> > > I love Halo 5 and I fully support 343 in the changes they implemented and the direction they have taken Halo in. I am sincere when I say I am glad this community is now fractured beyond repair. Slowly but surely the disgruntled vocal minority will run of things to complain about and will move on. That will leave behind a solid player base who love Halo 5 and who actively play it on a regular basis. The fact that it is 10th on the list at the moment for games played on XB1 is a reflection on the volume of games out at the moment and shifts that have occurred within the industry. Halo will NEVER dominate the market as it once did, there are simply too many other options plus the PS4 is still far ahead in console sales. The community is healthy and stable and will be quite fine moving forward. Over time with Forge now out and with the addition of more social playlists/custom games I imagine the population will increase a bit.
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> Not sure how that’s a checkmate when it clearly proves the OP has contradicting statements, and cannot decide whether the community is fractured or healthy.
Gaming population vs Waypoint community. Let me edit that right now so the thread doesn’t get dragged down because of semantics.
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> Love that guy. His whole break down of how many hours to play to reach max rank was priceless, as well as the truth of how 343 really feels about criticism.
Truthfully, back during MCC, I did defend 343i. After several months though of seeing no real progress from them to fix the game… I started losing faith in them and Halo 5 just sealed the deal for me. And with Halo 5… I won’t be pre-ordering the next game, and I’ll actually be persuading my friends to do the same. After Halo 4 and MCC, and Halo 5, I’ve honestly lost faith in 343i : P
And for anyone who says “Oh, you just hate Halo”, the only reason I even have Xbox is because of Halo (thanks to splitscreen on Halo 2!)
