I understand some people may like the story but its still bad. Its not the game we were advertised. It makes the whole of Halo 4s story pointless. There are way to many read the books moments or they are explained with one single comment. Like halo 4 there was the question why are we fighting the elites ? (Read the books) and in halo 5 the covenant fighting prometheans. I mean don’t they worship the forerunners? I should not have to read every single peace of lore to understand whats happening in the main story or ie the games. and summing up major points with one comment pisses me off. I Read the fall of reach but not everyone one has and just throwing blue team in to the story and locke saying one thing to explain who they are is just stupid and bad story telling.
The whole thing about cortana being the bad guy not only makes halo 4s ending meaningless but also makes no since. Shes made from Halseys DNA so that means if she has power she will become a psycho like what the yonk? Yes she may be made from Halsey but after everything she went through with chief she would be her own person and have her own personality. “But the rampancy and the bla bla bla messed up her mind.” Oh come on thats just an excuse for bad story telling.
In the 3 years until halo 6 comes out a lot of media is gonna come out for halo and I guarantee its gonna sum everything that happened in halo 5 and some other stuff in halo 6 will be happening that will make no since. Like the Guardians getting destroyed and cortana being good again or some stupid thing like that.
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> I understand some people may like the story but its still bad. Its not the game we were advertised. It makes the whole of Halo 4s story pointless. There are way to many read the books moments or they are explained with one single comment. Like halo 4 there was the question why are we fighting the elites ? (Read the books) and in halo 5 the covenant fighting prometheans. I mean don’t they worship the forerunners? I should not have to read every single peace of lore to understand whats happening in the main story or ie the games. and summing up major points with one comment pisses me off. I Read the fall of reach but not everyone one has and just throwing blue team in to the story and locke saying one thing to explain who they are is just stupid and bad story telling.
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> The whole thing about cortana being the bad guy not only makes halo 4s ending meaningless but also makes no since. Shes made from Halseys DNA so that means if she has power she will become a psycho like what the yonk? Yes she may be made from Halsey but after everything she went through with chief she would be her own person and have her own personality. “But the rampancy and the bla bla bla messed up her mind.” Oh come on thats just an excuse for bad story telling.
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> In the 3 years until halo 6 comes out a lot of media is gonna come out for halo and I guarantee its gonna sum everything that happened in halo 5 and some other stuff in halo 6 will be happening that will make no since. Like the Guardians getting destroyed and cortana being good again or some stupid thing like that.
I agree that this campaign sucked, but I wanna say that you don’t have to read any books to know why we fight Elites in Halo 4. At some point, Cortana says this faction of the Covenant has been at Requiem for years. They don’t know the war is over
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> > I understand some people may like the story but its still bad. Its not the game we were advertised. It makes the whole of Halo 4s story pointless. There are way to many read the books moments or they are explained with one single comment. Like halo 4 there was the question why are we fighting the elites ? (Read the books) and in halo 5 the covenant fighting prometheans. I mean don’t they worship the forerunners? I should not have to read every single peace of lore to understand whats happening in the main story or ie the games. and summing up major points with one comment pisses me off. I Read the fall of reach but not everyone one has and just throwing blue team in to the story and locke saying one thing to explain who they are is just stupid and bad story telling.
> >
> > The whole thing about cortana being the bad guy not only makes halo 4s ending meaningless but also makes no since. Shes made from Halseys DNA so that means if she has power she will become a psycho like what the yonk? Yes she may be made from Halsey but after everything she went through with chief she would be her own person and have her own personality. “But the rampancy and the bla bla bla messed up her mind.” Oh come on thats just an excuse for bad story telling.
> >
> > In the 3 years until halo 6 comes out a lot of media is gonna come out for halo and I guarantee its gonna sum everything that happened in halo 5 and some other stuff in halo 6 will be happening that will make no since. Like the Guardians getting destroyed and cortana being good again or some stupid thing like that.
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> I agree that this campaign sucked, but I wanna say that you don’t have to read any books to know why we fight Elites in Halo 4. At some point, Cortana says this faction of the Covenant has been at Requiem for years. They don’t know the war is over
Again what I mean by a major point summed up with one comment.
Yup, it’s just an objectively bad story. Think about it, if Locke and Chief had not gotten out of bed that morning, absolutely nothing about the overall story would have changed (ie, Cortana would still have activated all the Guardians and attacked Earth at the exact same time). Having the characters, and thus the player, have no impact on the story is just bad writing 101. Outside of the first mission, you never really do anything that impacts the story in any significant way.
As a Halo story it also failed miserably. They spent all this time building up Jul’, just to have him die barely putting up a fight in the first mission. What a waste. Same goes for the “hunt the truth” advertising that was pushed so heavily. It had nothing to do with the game. Locke and Chief have the exact same information and goals right from the start, there is no “truth” or difference of opinions/view points. The reason Locke is even pursuing Chief is utterly ridiculous. “Oh no! Chief didn’t fill out the proper paper work before leaving! Somebody stop him!”. Seriously, that’s the reason for the “greatest hunt in history”? Why would anyone even be opposed to Chief going after her? He is the most qualified and he has a history with her that could have been used to help convince Cortana to stop. Speaking of Cortana, what a poorly handled villain twist. There is absolutely no explanation for her change of character and her return undermines everything you did in Halo 4.
The whole campaign just feels so removed from the rest of the Halo series. When the heck did AI’s suddenly decide they hated humanity and wanted to live forever? That was never alluded too. And am I supposed to believe that these peaceful and helpful AI’s suddenly are willing to oppress the galaxy just to extend their lives? What happened to all the stuff the Didact talked about in the Epilogue of Halo 4? Who were the people/Forerunners he was talking to? Where is the Forerunner Reclamation? The story we get in Halo 5 just throws out all the previously built story threads to take a wild turn into left field.
In terms of characters it was also abysmal. They replace Chief, a fairly bland character, with a somehow even more bland character. Blue team and everyone on Osiris besides Buck were also about as interesting as rocks (oh Vale, you have daddy issues? I am SOOO interested!). Even the level design was boring. The only semi-memorable moment in the entire campaign was the Kraken fight, and even it paled in comparison to previous Scarab fights. Where was the space battle level? Where was the race against the clock section? There was nothing unique in terms of game-play in this campaign.
Sorry for the rant, but I’m just so utterly disappointed in this story. One thing I could always rely on Halo for was a decent story. I am truly astounded that a team that did such a good job on the Halo 4 campaign did such a poor job on Halo 5.
While I agree with you that there are elements of bad storytelling in this game (and a poor representation of Blue team’s combat skills in cutscenes), there are some things I disagree with.
-The whole thing about cortana being the bad guy not only makes halo 4s ending meaningless but also makes no sense.
Cortana is not the bad guy, she has the same end goal as the UNSC, just a different method of achieving it.
It does not make the ending meaningless, Chief lost her, he believed her dead and her presence as an antagonist in this game affects him, we see this through the way he moves, how he interacts with Blue team, the way he talks, listen to his dialogue with Cortana in the game, you can hear how betrayed he feels, hear how he knows he must eliminate her and desperately tries to give her the benefit of the doubt.
-Shes made from Halseys DNA so that means if she has power she will become a psycho like what the yonk?
She is created from a clone of Halsey’s brain and shares personality traits with her.
It in no way said that her having power or being related to Halsey is the reason for her actions.
-just throwing blue team in to the story and locke saying one thing to explain who they are is just stupid and bad story telling.
1.Blue team were re-established in the fall of reach animated for new fans, Halo escalation had a 3-issue arc with them in, and then there is their presence in the books.
2. Locke was introduced in Nightfall and information about him is available in the abundance of information given about the game before it’s launch.
3. Halo wikia or Halopedia, if anyone is confused about who characters are they can do research on them with much ease.
Blue team = being a Spartan is literally all they know.
Osiris = career soldiers who are working for a salary but oh look, it’s Nathan Fillion!
And then a they make the bulk of the story focused on Osiris. I mean, come on.
Every moment spent on Osiris is precious time that could have been spent giving blue team real character development.
And the worst part of all isn’t necessarily that they went in that direction, it’s that they did it in such a way that it didn’t even live up to what was advertised.
It’s just such a mess. It was enjoyable because well it’s halo, but good lord what a train wreck the story was.
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> > I understand some people may like the story but its still bad. Its not the game we were advertised. It makes the whole of Halo 4s story pointless. There are way to many read the books moments or they are explained with one single comment. Like halo 4 there was the question why are we fighting the elites ? (Read the books) and in halo 5 the covenant fighting prometheans. I mean don’t they worship the forerunners? I should not have to read every single peace of lore to understand whats happening in the main story or ie the games. and summing up major points with one comment pisses me off. I Read the fall of reach but not everyone one has and just throwing blue team in to the story and locke saying one thing to explain who they are is just stupid and bad story telling.
> >
> > The whole thing about cortana being the bad guy not only makes halo 4s ending meaningless but also makes no since. Shes made from Halseys DNA so that means if she has power she will become a psycho like what the yonk? Yes she may be made from Halsey but after everything she went through with chief she would be her own person and have her own personality. “But the rampancy and the bla bla bla messed up her mind.” Oh come on thats just an excuse for bad story telling.
> >
> > In the 3 years until halo 6 comes out a lot of media is gonna come out for halo and I guarantee its gonna sum everything that happened in halo 5 and some other stuff in halo 6 will be happening that will make no since. Like the Guardians getting destroyed and cortana being good again or some stupid thing like that.
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> I agree that this campaign sucked, but I wanna say that you don’t have to read any books to know why we fight Elites in Halo 4. At some point, Cortana says this faction of the Covenant has been at Requiem for years. They don’t know the war is over
That’s not true at all. They moved to Requiem after Jul instructed them to, long after the war had finished.
These are the same elites that were at war with an Arbiter-Human alliance in Halo 5. They absolutely knew the war was over by the time the events of Halo 4 were taking place, they had to.
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> All the emphasis on Osiris is a huge mistake.
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> Blue team = being a Spartan is all they know.
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> Osiris = career soldiers who are working for a salary but oh look, it’s Nathan Fillion!
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> And then a they make the bulk of the story focused on Osiris.
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> I mean, come on.
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> Every moment spent on Osiris is precious time that could have been spent giving blue team real character development.
>
> And the worst part of all isn’t necessarily that they went in that direction, it’s that they did it in such a way that it didn’t even live up to what was advertised.
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> It’s just such a mess. It was enjoyable because we’ll it’s halo, but good lord what a train wreck the story was.
As much as it pains me to admit it you’re right, the only redeeming parts of osiris for me were the cutscenes and the way they interacted with character-specific moments in the non-combat areas. Blue team were hugely under-utilised and under-represented.
That and after the hype hunt the truth generated, the campaign was more of a fizzle than a bang.
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> -The whole thing about cortana being the bad guy not only makes halo 4s ending meaningless but also makes no sense.
> 1) Cortana is not the bad guy, she has the same end goal as the UNSC, just a different method of achieving it.
> 2) It does not make the ending meaningless, Chief lost her, he believed her dead and her presence as an antagonist in this game affects him, we see this through the way he moves, how he interacts with Blue team, the way he talks, listen to his dialogue with Cortana in the game, you can hear how betrayed he feels, hear how he knows he must eliminate her and desperately tries to give her the benefit of the doubt.
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> -just throwing blue team in to the story and locke saying one thing to explain who they are is just stupid and bad story telling.
> 3) Blue team were re-established in the fall of reach animated for new fans, Halo escalation had a 3-issue arc with them in, and then there is their presence in the books. Locke was introduced in Nightfall and information about him is available in the abundance of information given about the game before it’s launch. Halo wikia or Halopedia, if anyone is confused about who characters are they can do research on them with much ease.
Bull crap, she is 100% the bad guy. If it were the Didact in her place no one would have a problem putting a bullet between his eyes. And she most certainly does not have the same goals as the UNSC. When has the UNSC tried to enforce peace on other cultures through force? They don’t care about that, the UNSC only cares about protecting and strengthening humanity. Cortana’s turn of character makes absolutely no sense in the given context. Assuming she is telling the truth and that she was really cured of rampancy, then this is completely out of character for her. Cortana in every other Halo game and story has never shown any desire for power or goals for universal peace. She was concerned with protecting Chief and humanity, and was willing to sacrifice herself to do it. The Cortana of old would never have even considered killing millions of innocent people to achieve peace.
2)It does make her sacrifice meaningless. We see Chief feel bad for approximately 7 seconds then Cortana emails him and off we go. If you don’t show the audience Chief being despondent from the loss of his friend, then it didn’t happen. It was heavily implied, both from the ending of Halo 4 and from the developers themselves that Halo 5 would deal with Chiefs loss and him coming to terms with it. We never see that though. It also renders Cortana’s sacrifice meaningless because she didn’t sacrifice anything. In fact, she gained a whole lot of power.
3)Again, bad story telling 101: if you need outside source material to enjoy/understand a story, you are doing a bad job telling the story.
The campaign is objectively bad. There is little to no character development, Blue team had absolutely no importance to the plot whatsoever, Osiris is just bland with the except of Buck, the Ai rebellion is super cliche, pacing issues with the flow of the story, Cortana’s return was poorly introduced and pretty much ruins the whole point of Halo 4. There’s just soooo many problems with it. But the gameplay/mechanics, voice acting, and level design was A+. Don’t even get me started on how lackluster the Chief V Locke hunt was though…
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> > All the emphasis on Osiris is a huge mistake.
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> > Blue team = being a Spartan is all they know.
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> > Osiris = career soldiers who are working for a salary but oh look, it’s Nathan Fillion!
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> > And then a they make the bulk of the story focused on Osiris.
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> > I mean, come on.
> >
> > Every moment spent on Osiris is precious time that could have been spent giving blue team real character development.
> >
> > And the worst part of all isn’t necessarily that they went in that direction, it’s that they did it in such a way that it didn’t even live up to what was advertised.
> >
> > It’s just such a mess. It was enjoyable because we’ll it’s halo, but good lord what a train wreck the story was.
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> As much as it pains me to admit it you’re right, the only redeeming parts of osiris for me were the cutscenes and the way they interacted with character-specific moments in the non-combat areas. Blue team were hugely under-utilised and under-represented.
> That and after the hype hunt the truth generated, the campaign was more of a fizzle than a bang.
Agreed.
I think Osiris is cool and I actually like them but it pisses me off that they got more character development in the game than Blue team.
With Osiris, we got to see how each of their unique personalities adds to the team chemistry and even got to learn a little bit about their pasts through dialogue.
I enjoyed it but I just wish we got that with Blue Team.
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> While I agree with you that there are elements of bad storytelling in this game (and a poor representation of Blue team’s combat skills in cutscenes), there are some things I disagree with.
> -The whole thing about cortana being the bad guy not only makes halo 4s ending meaningless but also makes no sense.
> 1. Cortana is not the bad guy, she has the same end goal as the UNSC, just a different method of achieving it.
> 2. It does not make the ending meaningless, Chief lost her, he believed her dead and her presence as an antagonist in this game affects him, we see this through the way he moves, how he interacts with Blue team, the way he talks, listen to his dialogue with Cortana in the game, you can hear how betrayed he feels, hear how he knows he must eliminate her and desperately tries to give her the benefit of the doubt.
>
> -Shes made from Halseys DNA so that means if she has power she will become a psycho like what the yonk?
> 1. She is created from a clone of Halsey’s brain and shares personality traits with her.
> 2. It in no way said that her having power or being related to Halsey is the reason for her actions.
>
> -just throwing blue team in to the story and locke saying one thing to explain who they are is just stupid and bad story telling.
> 1.Blue team were re-established in the fall of reach animated for new fans, Halo escalation had a 3-issue arc with them in, and then there is their presence in the books.
> 2. Locke was introduced in Nightfall and information about him is available in the abundance of information given about the game before it’s launch.
> 3. Halo wikia or Halopedia, if anyone is confused about who characters are they can do research on them with much ease.
It is bad story telling you shouldn’t have to go to any of that to understand whats going on in that games story