Halo 5 Armor Customization is Confirmed DEAD

You know, I don’t want to see anymore Halo 5 gameplay.
Not because I don’t like it, I’m buying the -Yoink- out of this Day-1, but because I’m just about as hyped as I can be and anymore would just sort of burn me out.

I am searching for more information on certain things though. Customization is a vary big part of Halo, so i’m glad to hear that REQ cards will play a part in cosmetic customization as well as giving players new assassination animations and (hopefully, though unlikely) better spartan-voices.

However, it has come to my attention that armor customization is now limited to Visor, Helmet, and Armor, according to Josh Holmes and I can’t help but beg the question: Why?

EDIT: I realize those are old links, but we have heard little about customization since, and I think it’s worth discussing.

He said it was because they devs wanted to design whole sets, but what does that have to do with individual player customization?
As much of a mess Halo 4 was, a lot of the fans give them credit for the really extensive armor customization they implemented, and Halo Reach had arguably the most robust in-depth armor customization in any Halo.
Halo 3 was limited to Helmet, Armor, and Shoulders, and that really great, so I just can not understand why this step backwards was taken?
This truly disappoints me as a big Halo fan. You guys over at 343 can design sets as much as you want, but once you take away player agency like that, it really sucks some of the life out of your game, and I sincerely hope you reconsider allowing for at least shoulder pads customization.

I’m having a very hard time finding things to really complain about in Halo 5. Just about everything I’ve seen so far interests me.
If there is one big complain I have about Halo 5, and the direction of Halo as a series, this is one of the biggest problems I’m having with it.

Since I will wear only the Athlon armor, I don’t have much of a problem with it, however, it’s always bad when they limit our experience.

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I feel the same way. This is a huge step backwards in ability to make a unique player avatar. Combinations for Helmet/Visor/Body are certainly going to be far less than the amount Halo 4 had unless there’s upwards of 100+ individual sets, and even then…

As someone said on Twitter in response to this tweet, “We don’t want ‘complete designs’, we want our own designs.” The player’s Spartan has become your ‘Character Creation’ screen. You never want to limit the player unnecessarily.

While I can appreciate the work they put into some of these set designs, making them full body suits takes a hell of a lot of power out of the player’s hands to create their own look. I haven’t had matching pauldrons since Halo 3 gave me the option not to. I’m a bit miffed at having that revoked.

Here, I went ahead and posted what they said, and linked them.

Is the customization limited to full suits, or can we change each shoulder pad/legs like the other games? suits, helmets and visors.

By large variety do you mean variety of parts of the armor that can be separately changed or variety of armour sets, etc. “variety of sets. We’re building the suits as complete designs.”

This is a bit disappointing, I wasn’t even aware of this.

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> I feel the same way. This is a huge step backwards in ability to make a unique player avatar. Combinations for Helmet/Visor/Body are certainly going to be far less than the amount Halo 4 had unless there’s upwards of 100+ individual sets, and even then…
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> As someone said on Twitter in response to this tweet, “We don’t want ‘complete designs’, we want our own designs.” The player’s Spartan has become your ‘Character Creation’ screen. You never want to limit the player unnecessarily.
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> While I can appreciate the work they put into some of these set designs, making them full body suits takes a hell of a lot of power out of the player’s hands to create their own look. I haven’t had matching pauldrons since Halo 3 gave me the option not to. I’m a bit miffed at having that revoked.

Let me ask this, why exactly does everyone feel so entitled to be OWED to choose how their characters look? Down the the rivet colors on your armor? Or the color of the Undersuits? I understand that it’d be ‘cool’ to be able to choose each individual armor, but it’s unnecessary to include it when there is MUCH more going on in terms of gameplay. The entitlement is ridiculous.

Well that’s a huge letdown, honestly customizations maters more to me than it really should but I spend hours in characters customization in most games.

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> You know, I don’t want to see anymore Halo 5 gameplay.
> Not because I don’t like it, I’m buying the -Yoink- out of this Day-1, but because I’m just about as hyped as I can be and anymore would just sort of burn me out.
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> I am searching for more information on certain things though. Customization is a vary big part of Halo, so i’m glad to hear that REQ cards will play a part in cosmetic customization as well as giving players new assassination animations and (hopefully, though unlikely) better spartan-voices.
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> However, it has come to my attention that armor customization is now limited to Visor, Helmet, and Armor, according to Josh Holmes and I can’t help but beg the question: Why?
> https://twitter.com/JoshingtonState/status/549728159935913984
> https://twitter.com/JoshingtonState/status/532768205715304448
> He said it was because they devs wanted to design whole sets, but what does that have to do with individual player customization?
> As much of a mess Halo 4 was, a lot of the fans give them credit for the really extensive armor customization they implemented, and Halo Reach had arguably the most robust in-depth armor customization in any Halo.
> Halo 3 was limited to Helmet, Armor, and Shoulders, and that really great, so I just can not understand why this step backwards was taken?
> This truly disappoints me as a big Halo fan. You guys over at 343 can design sets as much as you want, but once you take away player agency like that, it really sucks some of the life out of your game, and I sincerely hope you reconsider allowing for at least shoulder pads customization.
>
> I’m having a very hard time finding things to really complain about in Halo 5. Just about everything I’ve seen so far interests me.
> If there is one big complain I have about Halo 5, and the direction of Halo as a series, this is one of the biggest problems I’m having with it.

The links you linked are old! They are from nov-dec, before the release of the beta. I don’t know if josh was talking about the pre-beta or the final release with that tweet, but i will wait until the day of the release of H5G!

This does suck. I hope they can patch it in later at least.

EDIT: Why did you post old links?

Yeah, in case anyone missed it. Those tweets comes from before the Halo 5 Beta. Please, put down your pitch forks and torches.

Well, that sucks, but the game still looks awesome

edit: damn don’t post old links!

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> [Let me ask this, why exactly does everyone feel so entitled to be OWED to choose how their characters look? Down the the rivet colors on your armor? Or the color of the Undersuits? I understand that it’d be ‘cool’ to be able to choose each individual armor, but it’s unnecessary to include it when there is MUCH more going on in terms of gameplay. The entitlement is ridiculous.

Now, wait a damn minute, sir! You’re putting words in my mouth and you’re obviously exaggerating for the sake of your own argument.

I don’t feel ‘owed’ anything, you presumptuous -Yoink!-. Apparently, in your mind, ‘expressing clear distaste at a decision made’ is exactly equivalent to ‘complaining about things I didn’t get like a spoiled child’. You are horridly wrong in that regard.

It is a flat fact that we have, assuming that Visor, Helmet and Body Armor are our only venues of customization for our physical form aside its paint, we have less customization options than we did in Halo 3, which was released for a Seventh Generation console in 2007. Even less than Halo Reach and Halo 4 for the same system.

This is the pioneer for new Halo games on the Eight Generation of consoles and, considering how much they were able to squeeze out in a game on outdated hardware with less than half the specs than the system Halo 5 is releasing for, it seems somewhat arbitrary to cut player customization down to less than Helmet/L Pauld/R Pauld/Chest.

I’ll thank you not to express my opinions on things in future. I’m more than capable of stating them on my own.

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> > I feel the same way. This is a huge step backwards in ability to make a unique player avatar. Combinations for Helmet/Visor/Body are certainly going to be far less than the amount Halo 4 had unless there’s upwards of 100+ individual sets, and even then…
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> > As someone said on Twitter in response to this tweet, “We don’t want ‘complete designs’, we want our own designs.” The player’s Spartan has become your ‘Character Creation’ screen. You never want to limit the player unnecessarily.
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> > While I can appreciate the work they put into some of these set designs, making them full body suits takes a hell of a lot of power out of the player’s hands to create their own look. I haven’t had matching pauldrons since Halo 3 gave me the option not to. I’m a bit miffed at having that revoked.
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> Let me ask this, why exactly does everyone feel so entitled to be OWED to choose how their characters look? Down the the rivet colors on your armor? Or the color of the Undersuits? I understand that it’d be ‘cool’ to be able to choose each individual armor, but it’s unnecessary to include it when there is MUCH more going on in terms of gameplay. The entitlement is ridiculous.

So much open-mindedness.

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> > I feel the same way. This is a huge step backwards in ability to make a unique player avatar. Combinations for Helmet/Visor/Body are certainly going to be far less than the amount Halo 4 had unless there’s upwards of 100+ individual sets, and even then…
> >
> > As someone said on Twitter in response to this tweet, “We don’t want ‘complete designs’, we want our own designs.” The player’s Spartan has become your ‘Character Creation’ screen. You never want to limit the player unnecessarily.
> >
> > While I can appreciate the work they put into some of these set designs, making them full body suits takes a hell of a lot of power out of the player’s hands to create their own look. I haven’t had matching pauldrons since Halo 3 gave me the option not to. I’m a bit miffed at having that revoked.
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> Let me ask this, why exactly does everyone feel so entitled to be OWED to choose how their characters look? Down the the rivet colors on your armor? Or the color of the Undersuits? I understand that it’d be ‘cool’ to be able to choose each individual armor, but it’s unnecessary to include it when there is MUCH more going on in terms of gameplay. The entitlement is ridiculous.

because we had been given the right back in Halo Reach. It has since be reduced to the modular kits… the only Armor that looks boss is Blue teams, Buck, Locke and Vale.
The rest are same old with others just being so ugly… seriously 343 kill it with fire

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> > > I feel the same way. This is a huge step backwards in ability to make a unique player avatar. Combinations for Helmet/Visor/Body are certainly going to be far less than the amount Halo 4 had unless there’s upwards of 100+ individual sets, and even then…
> > >
> > > As someone said on Twitter in response to this tweet, “We don’t want ‘complete designs’, we want our own designs.” The player’s Spartan has become your ‘Character Creation’ screen. You never want to limit the player unnecessarily.
> > >
> > > While I can appreciate the work they put into some of these set designs, making them full body suits takes a hell of a lot of power out of the player’s hands to create their own look. I haven’t had matching pauldrons since Halo 3 gave me the option not to. I’m a bit miffed at having that revoked.
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> > Let me ask this, why exactly does everyone feel so entitled to be OWED to choose how their characters look? Down the the rivet colors on your armor? Or the color of the Undersuits? I understand that it’d be ‘cool’ to be able to choose each individual armor, but it’s unnecessary to include it when there is MUCH more going on in terms of gameplay. The entitlement is ridiculous.
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> because we had been given the right back in Halo Reach. It has since be reduced to the modular kits… the only Armor that looks boss is Blue teams, Buck, Locke and Vale.
> The rest are same old with others just being so ugly… seriously 343 kill it with fire

Classic 343i, they seem to LOVE limiting options in Halo 5, no elites so far, no good customization, forge maps are so last gen compared to map makers in Far Cry 4, the new DOOM, no forgeable Warzone, paper vehicles yet again.

Crossing my fingers that these were about the beta. I will actually be super pissed if this is an indication of the full game.

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Right sorry. This is maybe my third post on the forums.

Moreover I’ve realized a few errors I’ve made in my OP.
Those link were quite old, so hopefully they are NOT indicative of the final product. 343 has made good on customization before, lets hope they continue to.

Secondly, I almost never see people play as elites, and I know most people hate them, but there seems to be a small minority that really advocates for elites.
I don’t understand why.
With the elite model it’s not JUST customization. You’re using a different model, and to other players it looks like it has confusing architecture.
If anyone knows anything about hit-box differences between the Spartans and Elites in Halo 3 and Reach, please share.

Personally, I hate the elite models. I wish they were never in multiplayer to begin with. They always seemed stupid to me. What’s your reason for liking them so much?

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You may not be able to post links with your forum rank.

Why are many people assuming we dont have customizations? Why would 343i add these point/burn card system to purchase customizations if they dont have a vast selection? The links are old. We dont even know what Halo 5 G has yet. The community is becoming very quick to judge and many of you put a mentality in other fans that the game is gonna suck. We havent played the game, not much information has been released and this community (not all but some) are already putting it down, creating a black cloud over it. Seriously people calm down. I understand how you would be disappointed if it’s true that there arent many customizations but dont talk as if it’s fact. You can rant and -Yoink- all you want once the information is released or you played the game. Before that, calm down, relax, have a lemonade and enjoy the summer.