Halo 4's MP needs to be a better COD

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That’s the only way Halo will ever get back on top. I know a lot of people are going to say games should be more unique but, they just simply can’t. Because more people prefer COD over every other FPS game, no matter how unique your game is, more people are going to play COD over the unique game because it is the most preferred/popular game. That’s also the reason for why there are so many FPS games, because it is the preferred genre, so developers have to adjust to that.

Picture it this way : The top 3 FPS games on consoles ( COD, Halo, BF ) are 3 different Spartans standing on 3 different platforms, positioned in a triangular formation with a lot of distance from each other. All the platforms have a DMR, a BR, a Magnum, and a random weapon power up to choose from. The COD Spartan likes to use the DMR while, the Halo Spartan likes the BR and the BF Spartan likes the Magnum. Because of the distance each platform is from each other, the COD Spartan always wins because he is using the DMR. So both, the Halo and BF Spartans have 2 options, either use the DMR and outplay the COD Spartan or use the random weapon power up. Both Spartans end up picking the DMR because the random weapon power up, while it may give you a Sniper Rifle, could also end up giving you a Plasma Pistol, so instead of taking the bigger risk they chose to take the more manageable option.

The only way games can stay unique is if there are no great games because, if 3 developers release 3 distinct games and 1 of those games ends up being favored over the other 2, players of the other 2 games are going to start leaving them for the popular game which, leaves the 2 other games the 2 choices described above, either be a better version of the popular game or, take a chance on trying something new that could end up being the new standard or a bust. So that’s why developers end up choosing the first option because its easier to make a better version of COD than it is to come up with something completely new, because you don’t know how something new would be received by gamers.

Competition brings the best out of developers but, you can’t have that competition if every game is trying to be unique instead of better than each other. Just like how most competitive players dislike Halo 4, because players can be more unique and carry different advantages over each other, you really can’t tell who the better player is. If any of you guys are familiar with EA’s Madden NFL series, the best Madden games came out when they were competing with 2K’s ESPN NFL series. Ever since EA bought the NFL licence, (eliminating competition because they are the only ones that can make NFL games now) the latest Madden games haven’t been as good as they used to be.

In my opinion, Halo can do all those things in COD much better. 343i were clearly trying to bring COD fans to Halo but, didn’t succeed because they didn’t add enough gameplay elements COD fans are used to in Halo 4. If they did Halo 4 would be #1 right now.

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> That’s the only way Halo will ever get back on top. I know a lot of people are going to say games should be more unique but, they just simply can’t. Because more people prefer COD over every other FPS game, no matter how unique your game is, more people are going to play COD over the unique game because it is the most preferred/popular game. That’s also the reason for why there are so many FPS games, because it is the preferred genre, so developers have to adjust to that.
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> Picture it this way : The top 3 FPS games on consoles ( COD, Halo, BF ) are 3 different Spartans standing on 3 different platforms, positioned in a triangular formation with a lot of distance from each other. All the platforms have a DMR, a BR, a Magnum, and a random weapon power up to choose from. The COD Spartan likes to use the DMR while, the Halo Spartan likes the BR and the BF Spartan likes the Magnum. Because of the distance each platform is from each other, the COD Spartan always wins because he is using the DMR. So both, the Halo and BF Spartans have 2 options, either use the DMR and outplay the COD Spartan or use the random weapon power up. Both Spartans end up picking the DMR because the random weapon power up, while it may give you a Sniper Rifle, could also end up giving you a Plasma Pistol, so instead of taking the bigger risk they chose to take the more manageable option.
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> The only way games can stay unique is if there are no great games because, if 3 developers release 3 distinct games and 1 of those games ends up being favored over the other 2, players of the other 2 games are going to start leaving them for the popular game which, leaves the 2 other games the 2 choices described above, either be a better version of the popular game or, take a chance on trying something new that could end up being the new standard or a bust. So that’s why developers end up choosing the first option because its easier to make a better version of COD than it is to come up with something completely new, because you don’t know how something new would be received by gamers.
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> Competition brings the best out of developers but, you can’t have that competition if every game is trying to be unique instead of better than each other. Just like how most competitive players dislike Halo 4, because players can be more unique and carry different advantages over each other, you really can’t tell who the better player is. If any of you guys are familiar with EA’s Madden NFL series, the best Madden games came out when they were competing with 2K’s ESPN NFL series. Ever since EA bought the NFL licence, (eliminating competition because they are the only ones that can make NFL games now) the latest Madden games haven’t been as good as they used to be.
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> In my opinion, Halo can do all those things in COD much better. 343i were clearly trying to bring COD fans to Halo but, didn’t succeed because they didn’t add enough gameplay elements COD fans are used to in Halo 4. If they did Halo 4 would be #1 right now.

Halo had a unique style that worked. It started dying when it tried to copy CoD. Your logic is backwards.

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> Because more people prefer COD over every other FPS game

…On the very limited Console Market.

Halo 4 isn’t failing solely because it isn’t unique either. The lack of content and balance is also a huge factor.

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Except people LEFT Halo because it started to Feel like COD…

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> Halo had a unique style that worked. It started dying when it tried to copy CoD. Your logic is backwards.

Doesn’t matter if it worked or not, people have/are going to leave for the more popular game.

> …On the very limited Console Market.
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> Halo 4 isn’t failing solely because it isn’t unique either. The lack of content and balance is also a huge factor.

Again, it doesn’t matter if the game is more unique, COD is now the standard for FPS games. They could remake Halo 2 and leave the multiplayer intact with just better graphics and it would do even worse. Because it isn’t what the majority want to see in there FPS games now. Like, there are people who won’t even give an FPS game a chance if there is no iron sight. ( And COD BO2 has more balance issues than Halo 4 )

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> > That’s the only way Halo will ever get back on top. I know a lot of people are going to say games should be more unique but, they just simply can’t. Because more people prefer COD over every other FPS game, no matter how unique your game is, more people are going to play COD over the unique game because it is the most preferred/popular game. That’s also the reason for why there are so many FPS games, because it is the preferred genre, so developers have to adjust to that.
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> > Picture it this way : The top 3 FPS games on consoles ( COD, Halo, BF ) are 3 different Spartans standing on 3 different platforms, positioned in a triangular formation with a lot of distance from each other. All the platforms have a DMR, a BR, a Magnum, and a random weapon power up to choose from. The COD Spartan likes to use the DMR while, the Halo Spartan likes the BR and the BF Spartan likes the Magnum. Because of the distance each platform is from each other, the COD Spartan always wins because he is using the DMR. So both, the Halo and BF Spartans have 2 options, either use the DMR and outplay the COD Spartan or use the random weapon power up. Both Spartans end up picking the DMR because the random weapon power up, while it may give you a Sniper Rifle, could also end up giving you a Plasma Pistol, so instead of taking the bigger risk they chose to take the more manageable option.
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> > The only way games can stay unique is if there are no great games because, if 3 developers release 3 distinct games and 1 of those games ends up being favored over the other 2, players of the other 2 games are going to start leaving them for the popular game which, leaves the 2 other games the 2 choices described above, either be a better version of the popular game or, take a chance on trying something new that could end up being the new standard or a bust. So that’s why developers end up choosing the first option because its easier to make a better version of COD than it is to come up with something completely new, because you don’t know how something new would be received by gamers.
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> > Competition brings the best out of developers but, you can’t have that competition if every game is trying to be unique instead of better than each other. Just like how most competitive players dislike Halo 4, because players can be more unique and carry different advantages over each other, you really can’t tell who the better player is. If any of you guys are familiar with EA’s Madden NFL series, the best Madden games came out when they were competing with 2K’s ESPN NFL series. Ever since EA bought the NFL licence, (eliminating competition because they are the only ones that can make NFL games now) the latest Madden games haven’t been as good as they used to be.
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> > In my opinion, Halo can do all those things in COD much better. 343i were clearly trying to bring COD fans to Halo but, didn’t succeed because they didn’t add enough gameplay elements COD fans are used to in Halo 4. If they did Halo 4 would be #1 right now.
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> Halo had a unique style that worked. It started dying when it tried to copy CoD. Your logic is backwards.

This x100000000000

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> > Halo had a unique style that worked. It started dying when it tried to copy CoD. Your logic is backwards.
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> Doesn’t matter if it worked or not, people have/are going to leave for the more popular game.
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> > …On the very limited Console Market.
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> > Halo 4 isn’t failing solely because it isn’t unique either. The lack of content and balance is also a huge factor.
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> Again, it doesn’t matter if the game is more unique, COD is now the standard for FPS games. They could remake Halo 2 and leave the multiplayer intact with just better graphics and it would do even worse. Because it isn’t what the majority want to see in there FPS games now. Like, there are people who won’t even give an FPS game a chance if there is no iron sight. ( And COD BO2 has more balance issues than Halo 4 )

Who cares if cod is the bloody standard. Doesnt mean every game needs to copy it. We need variety in our games not copies of other games. I can not wait for cod to die, the influence it has is way to much. Too make a game stand out it needs to be different, i dont buy fps’s anymore just because all the damn games are the same. They all literally feel the same, that is not what is needed. What is needed is for halo to do its own thing and screw what the main stream thing currently is.

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OP, I like how you came up with that analogy but in the end, people left/are bored with Halo because it is less Halo than before. COD is still COD, so people will be satisfied with it.

Plus, COD is on everything. Word of mouth spreads and even if players play on PS3, they will garb COD because is popular and it is AVAILABLE. You need to pay MS an extra $60/year to play Halo. COD can be played on PS3 for free.

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Halo was doing perfectly fine until Bungie decided to change the game for modern tastes (which is bull). No change was ever needed.

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Even if your reasoning is correct, why would they come play Halo games only for the Xbox 360, when Cod is a multi-platform game. Why wouldn’t they just play the original game, instead of playing Halo? Plus they would probably get confused with the storyline anyways, so they might as well just stay with Cod, instead of playing a game that copies Cod and has a storyline that confuses them.

I think the reason why People left is lack of content/features. No Campaign skulls, scoring, barely hidden terminals, No skulls/scoring/limited lives in Spartan Ops, No theater for Campaign/Spartan Ops, Very few game options for Custom games. No Race/Assault/VIP/Juggernaut, Zombies have very little customization to them. File share was not working for a while. So all there is left is Multiplayer, and we all now how far away that is from other Halo games. Plus other Halo games had very good populations.

Just my $0.02 though.

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> > > Halo had a unique style that worked. It started dying when it tried to copy CoD. Your logic is backwards.
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> > Doesn’t matter if it worked or not, people have/are going to leave for the more popular game.
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> > > …On the very limited Console Market.
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> > > Halo 4 isn’t failing solely because it isn’t unique either. The lack of content and balance is also a huge factor.
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> > Again, it doesn’t matter if the game is more unique, COD is now the standard for FPS games. They could remake Halo 2 and leave the multiplayer intact with just better graphics and it would do even worse. Because it isn’t what the majority want to see in there FPS games now. Like, there are people who won’t even give an FPS game a chance if there is no iron sight. ( And COD BO2 has more balance issues than Halo 4 )
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> Who cares if cod is the bloody standard. Doesnt mean every game needs to copy it. We need variety in our games not copies of other games. <mark>I can not wait for cod to die,</mark> the influence it has is way to much. Too make a game stand out it needs to be different, i dont buy fps’s anymore just because all the damn games are the same. They all literally feel the same, that is not what is needed. What is needed is for halo to do its own thing and screw what the main stream thing currently is.

And then when the next big FPS game comes out, everyone is going to try and copy that game, it doesn’t matter
what game is on top, the same thing is going to happen over and over. Halo had the same influence on other games when it was at its prime, everyone was trying to beat Halo.

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Halo is on Xbox 360.

COD is on Xbox 360, PS3, PC, Mac, Wii, and Wii U. It also has spinoffs on the NDS, PSP, and iPhone.

If COD somehow sells the same amount of copies on each platform, not counting the mobile spinoffs, and Halo sells as much on the Xbox 360 as COD on the Xbox 360 does, then COD will still have 6x the total sales of Halo.

To make a long story short, exclusives can’t compete with multiplatformers, and they shouldn’t try to.

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> OP, I like how you came up with that analogy but in the end, people left/are bored with Halo because it is less Halo than before. COD is still COD, so people will be satisfied with it.
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> Plus, COD is on everything. Word of mouth spreads and even if players play on PS3, they will garb COD because is popular and it is AVAILABLE. You need to pay MS an extra $60/year to play Halo. COD can be played on PS3 for free.

> Even if your reasoning is correct, why would they come play Halo games only for the Xbox 360, when Cod is a multi-platform game. Why wouldn’t they just play the original game, instead of playing Halo? Plus they would probably get confused with the storyline anyways, so they might as well just stay with Cod, instead of playing a game that copies Cod and has a storyline that confuses them.

You guys have to realize the Xbox doesn’t have that many exclusive games, Halo must be the most popular game on the Xbox or else the sales for the Xbox will be affected.

http://www.examiner.com/article/xbox-360-vs-ps3-2013-exclusives-comparison

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This might be radical, but…

Halo’s MP, needs to be a better Halo

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> > OP, I like how you came up with that analogy but in the end, people left/are bored with Halo because it is less Halo than before. COD is still COD, so people will be satisfied with it.
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> > Plus, COD is on everything. Word of mouth spreads and even if players play on PS3, they will garb COD because is popular and it is AVAILABLE. You need to pay MS an extra $60/year to play Halo. COD can be played on PS3 for free.
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> > Even if your reasoning is correct, why would they come play Halo games only for the Xbox 360, when Cod is a multi-platform game. Why wouldn’t they just play the original game, instead of playing Halo? Plus they would probably get confused with the storyline anyways, so they might as well just stay with Cod, instead of playing a game that copies Cod and has a storyline that confuses them.
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> You guys have to realize the Xbox doesn’t have that many exclusive games, Halo must be the most popular game on the Xbox or else the sales for the Xbox will be affected.

So does that explain why they changed Halo’s formula when it was selling in the a couple more million copies? And -Yoink!- more then makes up for lack of exclusive titles with the amount of money we spend to play Online.

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> So does that explain why they changed Halo’s formula when it <mark>was</mark> selling in the a couple more million copies? And -Yoink!- more then makes up for lack of exclusive titles with the amount of money we spend to play Online.

COD is currently the preferred shooter, and like I’ve said before, the only option they have is to be a better COD ( on Xbox ). That’s why Halo hasn’t been the same since COD4.

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> > So does that explain why they changed Halo’s formula when it <mark>was</mark> selling in the a couple more million copies? And -Yoink!- more then makes up for lack of exclusive titles with the amount of money we spend to play Online.
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> COD is currently the preferred shooter, and like I’ve said before, the only option they have is to be a better COD ( on Xbox ). That’s why Halo hasn’t been the same since COD4.

So fall in line with the majority of other shooters and hope that more people buy Halo on title alone rather then content basically? No, I bet you money if Halo 5 was like Halo 3 on a more massive scale, it would come closer to beating Cod in sales then if Halo became a better CoD. CoD is a fad right now and no matter what, nothing will out sale it. Trying to is a lost battle

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> > > So does that explain why they changed Halo’s formula when it <mark>was</mark> selling in the a couple more million copies? And -Yoink!- more then makes up for lack of exclusive titles with the amount of money we spend to play Online.
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> > COD is currently the preferred shooter, and like I’ve said before, the only option they have is to be a better COD ( on Xbox ). That’s why Halo hasn’t been the same since COD4.
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> So fall in line with the majority of other shooters and hope that more people buy Halo on title alone rather then content basically? No, I bet you money if Halo 5 was like Halo 3 on a more massive scale, it would come closer to beating Cod in sales then if Halo became a better CoD. CoD is a fad right now and no matter what, nothing will out sale it. Trying to is a lost battle

Microsoft and 343 obviously have more data on this than we do, so if they felt as though expanding on Halo 3 was the better choice, I know for sure they would have done that instead of giving us what they gave us in Halo 4.

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> > > > So does that explain why they changed Halo’s formula when it <mark>was</mark> selling in the a couple more million copies? And -Yoink!- more then makes up for lack of exclusive titles with the amount of money we spend to play Online.
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> > > COD is currently the preferred shooter, and like I’ve said before, the only option they have is to be a better COD ( on Xbox ). That’s why Halo hasn’t been the same since COD4.
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> > So fall in line with the majority of other shooters and hope that more people buy Halo on title alone rather then content basically? No, I bet you money if Halo 5 was like Halo 3 on a more massive scale, it would come closer to beating Cod in sales then if Halo became a better CoD. CoD is a fad right now and no matter what, nothing will out sale it. Trying to is a lost battle
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> Microsoft and 343 obviously have more data on this than we do, so if they felt as though expanding on Halo 3 was the better choice, I know for sure they would have done that instead of giving us what they gave us in Halo 4.

Well they got their result. Halo 4 is the worse Halo to date and -Yoink!- is sniffing their dollar bills

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> > > > > So does that explain why they changed Halo’s formula when it <mark>was</mark> selling in the a couple more million copies? And -Yoink!- more then makes up for lack of exclusive titles with the amount of money we spend to play Online.
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> > > > COD is currently the preferred shooter, and like I’ve said before, the only option they have is to be a better COD ( on Xbox ). That’s why Halo hasn’t been the same since COD4.
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> > > So fall in line with the majority of other shooters and hope that more people buy Halo on title alone rather then content basically? No, I bet you money if Halo 5 was like Halo 3 on a more massive scale, it would come closer to beating Cod in sales then if Halo became a better CoD. CoD is a fad right now and no matter what, nothing will out sale it. Trying to is a lost battle
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> > Microsoft and 343 obviously have more data on this than we do, so if they felt as though expanding on Halo 3 was the better choice, I know for sure they would have done that instead of giving us what they gave us in Halo 4.
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> Well they got their result. Halo 4 is the worse Halo to date and -Yoink!- is sniffing their dollar bills

That’s only because they didn’t add enough to bring COD fans over. If they did, COD fans will jump on Halo.