Just wondering what some of you guys think about this? Will the humans and Elites remain allies? Predictions,theories, if any of you guys have something Id be interested in hearing it.
> Just wondering what some of you guys think about this? Will the humans and Elites remain allies? Predictions,theories, if any of you guys have something Id be interested in hearing it.
We may find out in November when Halo: Glasslands comes out.
Halo Glasslands is the follow up to Halo: Ghosts of Onyx - so maybe… but I don’t know if it would be in the story.
At the end of H3, Legendary Ending, we’re last seen drifting towards a planet… so unless there’s a cutscene where we’re rescued and brought back to “normal” civilization to reunite with the rest of UNSC and the Sanghelli, I don’t know how they fit into the story we’re left with at the end of Halo 3.
One thought I had was that the Covenant was eliminated, and we’d be facing a new threat (read: Forrunners, Precursors) over the next three games.
I’m assuming we’ll get teasers in the Terminals in CEA and maybe some info from 343i at HaloFest at Pax Prime.
> Just wondering what some of you guys think about this? Will the humans and Elites remain allies? Predictions,theories, if any of you guys have something Id be interested in hearing it.
While I doubt humans and elites will ever go to war again, I doubt there will ever be a true alliance after the end of the Human-Covenant war.
Anyway, Halo: Glasslands will probably answer your question.
I have faith that it would. Elites have held some degree of respect for humans even before the alliance. In fact quite a few wondered why the Prophets wanted the humans destroyed outright rather than invite them to join the Covenant. I’m not saying that the alliance wouldn’t be without problems, the two species would definitely have their differences, but I don’t think they would set out to destroy one another when they are in both in such a state. Human population has fallen to the hundred thousand digits and Elites aren’t exactly in a good way either. The only way for both species to survive is to help each other out.
Of course. It’s been five years (so I’ve heard) and the Elites are running out of tech. Maintaining friendly relationship with UNSC is crucial to their stability. It’s called diplomacy. If the UNSC and Elites stop associating with each other, how will either fend against a new threat should it arise?
It most definetly will stay intact.
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Both sides hate the Brutes.
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The Prophets were exposed for something the Humans already knew.
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What if a new threat arises and they were at war with each other?
Those are my reasons.
Any comments?
I think the Human-Elite Alliance is here to stay. I really don’t see either side fighting each other again…at least not for an incredibly LONG time. Their relationship will of course be rocky and have some difficulties (only natural coming out of a genocidal war and having one of the factions come to your aid), I think a lot of Humans will probably have Lord Hood’s attitude, they’ll never be able to forgive the Elites, but they’ll respect them for what they did at the end of the war and how they came to the UNSC’s aid. As long as Thel Vadam is around I don’t see any major aggression from the Elites. I think if there is going to be any sort of aggression or fighting it will probably come from extremists amongst Humanity.
> I think if there is going to be any sort of aggression or fighting it will probably come from extremists amongst Humanity.
Never underestimate the mind of the religious fanatical. Of course there will be Sangheili dissidents against the alliance. (If the alliance is indeed a fact) Some people have difficulty letting go of old beliefs and are impenetrable to reason and evidence. Admiral Xytan 'Jar Wattinree, I believe, is a prime example of a Sangheili who ignored the truth in favour of old beliefs. (Much to the misfortune of Humanity. If he was not killed by the NOVA, he would have lead the Sangheili to commit utter genocide against Humanity.) Given the instantaneous communication ability that the Covenant has, I see no reason why he should have remained ignorant of the truth so long after the events of Delta Halo.
If the Elites dig up information about the human-forerunner war than the genocide will continue. Imagine what the Elites will think when they find out the humans harmed their gods.
Humanity has a chance to technologically catch-up if peace endures long enough before the Elites find out. By being able to activate forerunner artefacts, they could more easily reverse engineer their technology and reach or even surpass the Elites.
> If the Elites dig up information about the human-forerunner war than the genocide will continue. Imagine what the Elites will think when they find out the humans harmed their gods.
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> Humanity has a chance to technologically catch-up if peace endures long enough before the Elites find out. By being able to activate forerunner artefacts, they could more easily reverse engineer their technology and reach or even surpass the Elites.
The fact that Humanity are the Reclaimers throws a wrench into those works there. They would have to deal with the fact that somehow Humanity recieved the Mantle regardless of their past with the Forerunners, whereas the Sangheili did not.
Also, the Forerunners completely destroyed ancient Humanity over a misunderstanding after Humanity had defeated the Flood initially. So it was not so much Humanity harming the Forerunners… More like the Forerunners committing completely unwarranted genocide. Some Gods… And like I said, it was Humanity that repelled the first wave of Flood by sacrificing a whole third of their surviving population. Something that is more noble than the Halo Array. If all that doesn’t turn the Sangheili away from the Forerunners then I don’t know what will.
Of course one could say that they only uncover a part of the story. The part about where Humanity attacked the Forerunner with no context to it. (Like what caused them to do it. The Flood wiping them out) In this case it is a possibility, a rather dull one.
Most Likely. The Elites’ alliance with the UNSC is crucial, not only because they now have an ally, but it is the first ally who can just pick up a Forerunner weapon and say “Lets go” the Covenant spent months or years engineering Forerunner tech to suit their needs, and so that they can use it, Humans can just pick it up and use it.
Yeah Elites are here to stay
> Just wondering what some of you guys think about this? Will the humans and Elites remain allies? Predictions,theories, if any of you guys have something Id be interested in hearing it.
We will see in Halo Grasslands.
If humans joined the covenant
Would we be the lap dog
or the high ranking warrior
We at one time beat the covies in numbers and beat most in tech
so if we did join I could see are role be higher then any elite after a while
exspecily with master chief.
> > I think if there is going to be any sort of aggression or fighting it will probably come from extremists amongst Humanity.
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> Never underestimate the mind of the religious fanatical. Of course there will be Sangheili dissidents against the alliance. (If the alliance is indeed a fact) Some people have difficulty letting go of old beliefs and are impenetrable to reason and evidence. Admiral Xytan 'Jar Wattinree, I believe, is a prime example of a Sangheili who ignored the truth in favour of old beliefs. (Much to the misfortune of Humanity. If he was not killed by the NOVA, he would have lead the Sangheili to commit utter genocide against Humanity.) Given the instantaneous communication ability that the Covenant has, I see no reason why he should have remained ignorant of the truth so long after the events of Delta Halo.
I believe the Return made a mention of some type of alliance existing between the UNSC and the Elites, and I know the background information Bungie released for the Blue Elite player in Halo 3’s coop said that he was some sort of ambassador to the UNSC. So it seems to me that there is some sort of alliance between the two.
I’m sure there probably are still some Elites amongst those who still believe their religion that are radicals, I don’t really think that they’ll be attempting to fight Humanity because of what the lies the Prophets told to start the war.
As far as I know we only have the Covenant date for when Xytan was meeting with all of those fleet masters, so do we even know when it occurs by human dates, and do we even have a concrete set of dates for Halo 2’s levels? And frankly I don’t find it too implausible that there would be many Elites who didn’t know the truth or the full truth of the matter, at the end of Halo 2 Arbiter and whatever surviving Heretics (if any) were the only Elites who knew anything close to the full truth, and even then they only knew for certain at that point that the Great Journey as the Prophets had told it was an error.
> Most Likely. The Elites’ alliance with the UNSC is crucial, not only because they now have an ally, but it is the first ally who can just pick up a Forerunner weapon and say “Lets go” the Covenant spent months or years engineering Forerunner tech to suit their needs, and so that they can use it, Humans can just pick it up and use it.
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> Yeah Elites are here to stay
These reasons are not too good either, and I do not really see that as a true alliance or friendship. Really, the Elites would just be using Humanity if that was the sole motivator. They would not stand with Humanity for penance and atonement, or through respect and admiration, but rather just so that they can get their hands on Forerunner technology and more powerful weapons in the end. It is hollow.
I believe that such motivations are dishonourable, actually.
> As far as I know we only have the Covenant date for when Xytan was meeting with all of those fleet masters, so do we even know when it occurs by human dates, and do we even have a concrete set of dates for Halo 2’s levels? And frankly I don’t find it too implausible that there would be many Elites who didn’t know the truth or the full truth of the matter, at the end of Halo 2 Arbiter and whatever surviving Heretics (if any) were the only Elites who knew anything close to the full truth, and even then they only knew for certain at that point that the Great Journey as the Prophets had told it was an error.
Joyous Exultation was destroyed on November 3rd. The Encyclopaedia says that the meeting between Gravemind, Master Chief and Thel was on the 22nd of October. They were then teleported away from there and would presumably reach their destination instantly. I really cannot see how the remaining 4 levels (Gravemind, Uprising, High Charity, The Great Journey) would be spread out over 12 days. It also says that the loss at JE is what forced the Sangheili to seek out new allies in the first place. It does not mention any other motives for allying with Humanity, only that they thought they did not have the ships to take down the loyalists after the NOVA wiped them out. Either Arbiter did not tell anyone about his discoveries concerning “The Reclaimers” and the Halos, or that the Sangheili refused to listen (or did but did not care through hubris) and continued their genocide anyway. I really cannot think of anything else. The Bestiarium mentions that a Tier 2 race has near instantaneous communication ability. The Covenant are Tier 2.
On the contrary though, Ghosts of Onyx gives the impression that the Great Schism only begins on November 3rd, which obviously means that the events of Halo 2 happen only hours before Xytan is killed, which would probably support what you are saying.
But the Encyclopaedia still says that the reason for the alliance was lack of ships, not truth or atonement or anything like that. And no, I’m not mad this time and nit-picking the Sangheili xD, I don’t like these implications in the story anymore than the next fan but they appear to be what they are.
Figuring out the dates between Halo 2 and 3 is a pain.
As said by the story “From the Office of Dr. William Arthur Iqbal” from Halo: Evolutions Volume 2 (which was released after development for Halo 4 started, with 343i working with the authors) states:
> The Covenant threat is lifted for the moment, but I very much doupt that the agreement with the Sangheili and their representative, the Arbiter, is the end of our conflict with the Covenant species.
> I suspect we will continue to compete with the Elites and other species for information about the Forerunner relics.
> The Sangheili have promised nothing-and indeed warned us that they do not yet control either the Covenant client species, or their own domestic situation. Hostilities may have ceased for now, but we should be alert and logical.
So I think that we have not seen the end of the Covenant, or Elites. But Elites will be few, if they’re included at all.
> > As far as I know we only have the Covenant date for when Xytan was meeting with all of those fleet masters, so do we even know when it occurs by human dates, and do we even have a concrete set of dates for Halo 2’s levels? And frankly I don’t find it too implausible that there would be many Elites who didn’t know the truth or the full truth of the matter, at the end of Halo 2 Arbiter and whatever surviving Heretics (if any) were the only Elites who knew anything close to the full truth, and even then they only knew for certain at that point that the Great Journey as the Prophets had told it was an error.
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> Joyous Exultation was destroyed on November 3rd. The Encyclopaedia says that the meeting between Gravemind, Master Chief and Thel was on the 22nd of October. They were then teleported away from there and would presumably reach their destination instantly. I really cannot see how the remaining 4 levels (Gravemind, Uprising, High Charity, The Great Journey) would be spread out over 12 days. It also says that the loss at JE is what forced the Sangheili to seek out new allies in the first place. It does not mention any other motives for allying with Humanity, only that they thought they did not have the ships to take down the loyalists after the NOVA wiped them out. Either Arbiter did not tell anyone about his discoveries concerning “The Reclaimers” and the Halos, or that the Sangheili refused to listen (or did but did not care through hubris) and continued their genocide anyway. I really cannot think of anything else. The Bestiarium mentions that a Tier 2 race has near instantaneous communication ability. The Covenant are Tier 2.
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> On the contrary though, Ghosts of Onyx gives the impression that the Great Schism only begins on November 3rd, which obviously means that the events of Halo 2 happen only hours before Xytan is killed, which would probably support what you are saying.
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> But the Encyclopaedia still says that the reason for the alliance was lack of ships, not truth or atonement or anything like that. And no, I’m not mad this time and nit-picking the Sangheili xD, I don’t like these implications in the story anymore than the next fan but they appear to be what they are.
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> Figuring out the dates between Halo 2 and 3 is a pain.
shrug I agree, it probably did not take place over twelve days, it’s one day from the Gravemind to the end of the game at least. They only found out about the Prophet’s betrayal of them and that the Halo’s didn’t send them on the Great Journey, I think it would take at least some time to figure out what else was a lie as well. So I don’t think it too implausible for Xytan to be preaching to continue the war effort against Humanity, especially since from what I remember it sounded like he had just returned to the hub of activities from exile. So he’d probably be rather out of the loop on top of the rest of what I’ve said.
I’m sure that the destruction of all those ships and armies would influence their desire to directly aid Humanity, I haven’t read the Encyclopedia myself so I can’t ascertain the full range of meanings from that piece, but just because they considered that possibility after that event does not mean that they intended to keep on fighting Humanity before then. Personally I think at worst they probably would have just ignored Humanity and left them to their own business. Regardless, I don’t think they’d have continued massacring Humanity, not if the Arbiter was arguing against it since Thel had restored it to a position of high honor once more.
Haha yeah XD It most certainly is, I’m glad all the levels in Reach have a time stamp on them though so we can at least have accurate guesses when the dates aren’t given.
It might stay but it won’t be the best relationship, I mean just look at the squabble between Lord Hood an Ship Master in Halo 3.
If I remember correctly, the Sangheili suffered some heavy losses during the Great Schism. Furthermore, I got the impression that Thel and Rtas seemed pretty tired of war. Assuming that the amount of time between H3 and H4 isn’t extremely long so that dramatic changes have not had time to occur in Sangheili society, I’m guessing the Sangheili won’t be our enemy in H4. However we should remember that Frankie has said in interviews that “some time has passed”, so some changes may have ocurred.Anyway, we’ll learn more when Glasslands is released.