Halo 4 will be Halo 4

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As time goes on, I find myself perusing the waypoint forums yet again ( I stopped because I found myself disgusted with the contemptable opinions of overly priveledged teenagers), and I am pleased to see that a large chunk of the fearful haters are no longer present. There are still a small amount of lingering nay-sayers, but the overall attitudes on the waypoint forums have improved, thus my return.

Let me get to the point of my title for this thread topic.

As with all new incarnations of the Halo franchise, you will have your skeptics, your haters, those who blindly worship the software producer, die hard fans, “casuals” and “try hards”, and everybody in between. All groups will spew forth their opinions, ideas, fears, and interpretations of content being slowly released to us, and all seem to forget one thing, and that is that the current title being released will not be like previous titles.

Allow me to go into further detail.

Halo 2 was different from Halo CE. Halo 3 was different from H2 and CE, and Reach…weeeell…Reach was different from EVERYTHING. Each title stood out on it’s own differences whether they be large or small.

H3’s brute shot did not behave in the same way that H2’s brute shot did. H2’s weapons behaved differently then CE’s weapons. Reach implemented a lot of different idea’s that either did or did not work.

I watched cursedlemon’s hour long “rant” about how he feels towards Halo 4, and while I agree with a large majority of his opinions, there were some things that were just a little off. In my mind, he represents a portion of the competitive community, and he does it well.

My point is that each title played as it’s own. Each were memorable for their own reasons, and to some extent each borrowed concepts from previous titles. The same will be said about Halo 4. The difference, and this is really the only difference that I can see, is that Bungie is not behind the wheel. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing, I cannot discern, because some would argue that they created awesome games, and some would argue that they closed out on a sour note with Reach. I do not like or dislike Reach, for the record. It has it’s flaws, and it has it’s pro’s.

Some are afraid that 343 is making this title to be too much like Call of Duty. I would argue that all FPS’s are alike in some respect, so it’s impossible to say that one title borrowed from another title. They all have borrowed from one another, and to say that that trend won’t continue is foolish.

So Halo 4 will be like Halo 4, because it’s not only borrowing from other shooters, but from other Halo titles, INCLUDING REACH. Honestly, I pray that H4 will borrow from Reach’s netcode, because H3’s was absolutely horrid, and H2 was what it was because it was brand new for xbox live.

So relax, folks. If you have expectations to play any other title when you sit down to play H4, then you are only setting yourself up for dissapointment. Yes, it’s the next chapter. Yes it will have elements from H3. No, it doesn’t cater to either casuals or try hards. It caters to GAMERS.

I’m a 10 year vet of Halo, I’ve seen the ins and outs of these titles. You don’t have to have faith to understand that Halo 4 will be a good title.

Thanks for your time.

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Nice post you raise a lot of good points.

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> ( I stopped because I found myself disgusted with the contemptable opinions of overly priveledged teenagers)

Thats a bit stereotypical…What makes you think all the haters are teenagers?

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Thank you!

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so you’re pretty much saying that halo 4 will be halo 4? wow thats surprising.

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> so you’re pretty much saying that halo 4 will be halo 4? wow thats surprising.

Yup. But even now some people are so afraid it’s going to be something different. My point of the post that each title has been different. So if anyone get’s their hopes up that on november 6th when they pop in Halo 4 that it’s going to be like Halo 3 is only setting themselves up to fail.

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> > ( I stopped because I found myself disgusted with the contemptable opinions of overly priveledged teenagers)
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> Thats a bit stereotypical…What makes you think all the haters are teenagers?

It was the way that they typed and the way that they got their points across. Trust me, you can tell the difference.

But why was that the only thing that you managed to extrapolate from my post?

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> > > ( I stopped because I found myself disgusted with the contemptable opinions of overly priveledged teenagers)
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> > Thats a bit stereotypical…What makes you think all the haters are teenagers?
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> It was the way that they typed and the way that they got their points across. Trust me, you can tell the difference.
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> But why was that the only thing that you managed to extrapolate from my post?

Mainly because I’m a teenager, and we aren’t all stupid :stuck_out_tongue:
That aside, you raise alot of good points, and people need to realise that Halo 4 isnt going to be the same as Halo 3, or Halo 2, but its on unique game :slight_smile:

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> As time goes on, I find myself perusing the waypoint forums yet again ( I stopped because I found myself disgusted with the contemptable opinions of overly priveledged teenagers), and I am pleased to see that a large chunk of the fearful haters are no longer present. There are still a small amount of lingering nay-sayers, but the overall attitudes on the waypoint forums have improved, thus my return.
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> I’m a 10 year vet of Halo, I’ve seen the ins and outs of these titles. You don’t have to have faith to understand that Halo 4 will be a good title.

While I was rather neutral about the post in general, there are these two paragraphs I can’t digest. Or more precisely, their final sentences. First of all, if your measure of how good the attitude of the forums are is based on how much complaining there is, your measures are completely wrong. A good attitude shouldn’t be defined as one that blindly likes everything 343i says and everything they hear about Halo 4. A good attitude means that you say everything you need to in a nice manner. No matter how much complaining there is, as long as it’s constructive, the attitude is good, regardless of do you like that complaining or not.

As for the second paragraph, you are saying the final sentence like it was a fact. It’s not, it’s your personal predictive opinion on Halo 4. The reality is, Halo 4 is most likely to be mediocre. Not excpetionally good, but not excpetionally bad either. Just your plain mediocre game experience. And please, don’t blame me for that, it’s all cause of normal distribution. However, I’m not saying it won’t be a good game, neither am I saying it won’t be a bad game. I’m only saying that the highest probability is mediocrity.

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> > As time goes on, I find myself perusing the waypoint forums yet again ( I stopped because I found myself disgusted with the contemptable opinions of overly priveledged teenagers), and I am pleased to see that a large chunk of the fearful haters are no longer present. There are still a small amount of lingering nay-sayers, but the overall attitudes on the waypoint forums have improved, thus my return.
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> > I’m a 10 year vet of Halo, I’ve seen the ins and outs of these titles. You don’t have to have faith to understand that Halo 4 will be a good title.
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> While I was rather neutral about the post in general, there are these two paragraphs I can’t digest. Or more precisely, their final sentences. First of all, if your measure of how good the attitude of the forums are is based on how much complaining there is, your measures are completely wrong. A good attitude shouldn’t be defined as one that blindly likes everything 343i says and everything they hear about Halo 4. A good attitude means that you say everything you need to in a nice manner. No matter how much complaining there is, as long as it’s constructive, the attitude is good, regardless of do you like that complaining or not.
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> As for the second paragraph, you are saying the final sentence like it was a fact. It’s not, it’s your personal predictive opinion on Halo 4. The reality is, Halo 4 is most likely to be mediocre. Not excpetionally good, but not excpetionally bad either. Just your plain mediocre game experience. And please, don’t blame me for that, it’s all cause of normal distribution. However, I’m not saying it won’t be a good game, neither am I saying it won’t be a bad game. I’m only saying that the highest probability is mediocrity.

That’s a respectable reply. Though I’m sure you would imagine that I will disagree with you.

At the time when I had decided to step away from really reading anything in the Halo 4 forum, it literally was a cesspool. The topics were so completely un-readable because people were either complaining about everything under the sun, or complaining about the complainers. Yup. It was some dark times.

As for your second paragraph, I’m not sure that many people will agree with you. Though I took your statement to be rather neutral, which in reality is a safe way of approaching this subject. Sure, I’m going to branch out and be optimistic. I’m not blindly optimistic though, trust me. I think that H4 will either be as good as it’s previous incarnations, Reach excluded, or be better. I’m not saying this to be optimistic, I’m saying it because the content that I’ve seen so far is impressive. I’ve sat and watched the gameplays by pro players at E3, I’ve watched over and over and over, and I gotta say that I was impressed. It had elements from each of the Halo titles, easily recognized things and mechanics that made it feel like Halo.

For the record, I don’t hate Reach, but I certainly don’t love it. I think Reach was the title that was mediocre at best, and only so after the title update by 343i.

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> > > > ( I stopped because I found myself disgusted with the contemptable opinions of overly priveledged teenagers)
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> > > Thats a bit stereotypical…What makes you think all the haters are teenagers?
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> > It was the way that they typed and the way that they got their points across. Trust me, you can tell the difference.
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> > But why was that the only thing that you managed to extrapolate from my post?
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> Mainly because I’m a teenager, and we aren’t all stupid :stuck_out_tongue:
> That aside, you raise alot of good points, and people need to realise that Halo 4 isnt going to be the same as Halo 3, or Halo 2, but its on unique game :slight_smile:

Thank you.

I don’t have an overall negative opinion of teenage gamers, so if I came across that way, then I apologise. I meant to point all the “kids” that get handed everything and think their opinions weigh more then anyone elses.

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> While I was rather neutral about the post in general, there are these two paragraphs I can’t digest. Or more precisely, their final sentences. First of all, if your measure of how good the attitude of the forums are is based on how much complaining there is, your measures are completely wrong. A good attitude shouldn’t be defined as one that blindly likes everything 343i says and everything they hear about Halo 4. A good attitude means that you say everything you need to in a nice manner. No matter how much complaining there is, as long as it’s constructive, the attitude is good, regardless of do you like that complaining or not.
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> As for the second paragraph, you are saying the final sentence like it was a fact. It’s not, it’s your personal predictive opinion on Halo 4. The reality is, Halo 4 is most likely to be mediocre. Not excpetionally good, but not excpetionally bad either. Just your plain mediocre game experience. And please, don’t blame me for that, it’s all cause of normal distribution. However, I’m not saying it won’t be a good game, neither am I saying it won’t be a bad game. I’m only saying that the highest probability is mediocrity.

mediocre? halo has never made a mediocre game, well except maybe halo wars which really doesn’t count as a halo game to begin with. I consider a mediocre game not good. even reach by no means was a mediocre game so I don’t see why you would assume that halo 4 will be one.

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> > While I was rather neutral about the post in general, there are these two paragraphs I can’t digest. Or more precisely, their final sentences. First of all, if your measure of how good the attitude of the forums are is based on how much complaining there is, your measures are completely wrong. A good attitude shouldn’t be defined as one that blindly likes everything 343i says and everything they hear about Halo 4. A good attitude means that you say everything you need to in a nice manner. No matter how much complaining there is, as long as it’s constructive, the attitude is good, regardless of do you like that complaining or not.
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> > As for the second paragraph, you are saying the final sentence like it was a fact. It’s not, it’s your personal predictive opinion on Halo 4. The reality is, Halo 4 is most likely to be mediocre. Not excpetionally good, but not excpetionally bad either. Just your plain mediocre game experience. And please, don’t blame me for that, it’s all cause of normal distribution. However, I’m not saying it won’t be a good game, neither am I saying it won’t be a bad game. I’m only saying that the highest probability is mediocrity.
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> mediocre? halo has never made a mediocre game, well except maybe halo wars which really doesn’t count as a halo game to begin with. I consider a mediocre game not good. even reach by no means was a mediocre game so I don’t see why you would assume that halo 4 will be one.

I’m not sure I agree with you about Halo Wars being a mediocre title, It’s still one of the games that my friends and I get on and just go at each other as hard as we can. It wasn’t a FPS, which is probably what turned off a lot of people. As an RTS it was impressive because it showed that an RTS can work on a console.

I would still call Reach Mediocre though. The campaign wasn’t that impressive, multiplayer has it’s moments, and firefight is just a joke (especially when compared to ODST’s firefight mode).

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> > mediocre? halo has never made a mediocre game, well except maybe halo wars which really doesn’t count as a halo game to begin with. I consider a mediocre game not good. even reach by no means was a mediocre game so I don’t see why you would assume that halo 4 will be one.
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> I’m not sure I agree with you about Halo Wars being a mediocre title, It’s still one of the games that my friends and I get on and just go at each other as hard as we can. It wasn’t a FPS, which is probably what turned off a lot of people. As an RTS it was impressive because it showed that an RTS can work on a console.
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> I would still call Reach Mediocre though. The campaign wasn’t that impressive, multiplayer has it’s moments, and firefight is just a joke (especially when compared to ODST’s firefight mode).

I thought halo wars was a good game but compared to other RTS games I’m not quite sure.

as for reach it depends on what you’re comparing it to. if you’re comparing reach to other FPS shooters then its obviously not mediocre, if you’re comparing it to other sequels theirs plenty of worse ones out there (I’m looking at you left 4 dead 2), if you’re comparing it to the other halo games I can see where your coming from.

even though reach was in many ways worse then the previous halo games I have to say that it wasn’t terrible, they not only succeeded in some ways (campaign) it also added some really cool things to the franchise (assassinations/armor effects/AA’s).

when I think of mediocre games I think of games that flat out suck, I know this may be hard to accept but halo reach isn’t one of those games.

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> That’s a respectable reply. Though I’m sure you would imagine that I will disagree with you.
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> At the time when I had decided to step away from really reading anything in the Halo 4 forum, it literally was a cesspool. The topics were so completely un-readable because people were either complaining about everything under the sun, or complaining about the complainers. Yup. It was some dark times.
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> As for your second paragraph, I’m not sure that many people will agree with you. Though I took your statement to be rather neutral, which in reality is a safe way of approaching this subject. Sure, I’m going to branch out and be optimistic. I’m not blindly optimistic though, trust me. I think that H4 will either be as good as it’s previous incarnations, Reach excluded, or be better. I’m not saying this to be optimistic, I’m saying it because the content that I’ve seen so far is impressive. I’ve sat and watched the gameplays by pro players at E3, I’ve watched over and over and over, and I gotta say that I was impressed. It had elements from each of the Halo titles, easily recognized things and mechanics that made it feel like Halo.
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> For the record, I don’t hate Reach, but I certainly don’t love it. I think Reach was the title that was mediocre at best, and only so after the title update by 343i.

Thank you. I decided to pick out those two paragraphs as the rest of the post was so nicely written. You see, there were other parts I could’ve went on pointed out my disagreement. However, I believed you understand there is a line between just evolving a franchise and making a whole different game. It is open for a debate has Halo 4 crossed that line or not, but that’d be for whole another discussion. I also generally don’t approve of posts stating the obvious and saying Halo 4 will be Halo 4. Maybe it was just the way you wrote it or my unusual lack of eagerness to jump into a debate on this subject, but this time I have nothing to say against the more neutral parts of your post.

Anyhow, I long ago chose my stand on Halo 4 as neutral as possible. The truth is, I have my whole personal opinion on how I think Halo 4 is more likely to be. However, the neutral “it’s most likely to be mediocre” is a stand I use whenever I want to be as neutral and as realistic as possible. It’s simply the stand I choose when I don’t want to go into details and spew out all my reasons for why I think Halo 4 won’t be a good game. In reality, unlike you, I’m not impressed at all by what I’ve seen when it comes to the multiplayer. Everything else (campaign and Spartan Ops) is something I can’t say anything about simply because I don’t know enough.

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Halo 4 looks boring, generic and we have seen it all before haven’t we… it may be changing… it may be new to halo… but doesn’t mean it resfreshing or fun.

Halo 4 looks so unbalanced… and thats the main problem I don’t care were they get the ideas from just as long as it fun fair and balanced… unfortunantely they are copying CoD, so therefore Halo 4 is not going to be fun, fair or Balanced.

So get off your high horse… because just because you don’t care if Halo 4 is broken or not doesn’t give you permission to dictate to others just because they do care about balance

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I am honestly tired of the complaints you all did this back when halo 3 was being announced. You all complained that it was to different from halo 2 and here we are again you guys doing the same thing like the OP said each game will be different.

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> Halo 4 looks boring, generic and we have seen it all before haven’t we… it may be changing… it may be new to halo… but doesn’t mean it resfreshing or fun.
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> Halo 4 looks so unbalanced… and thats the main problem I don’t care were they get the ideas from just as long as it fun fair and balanced… unfortunantely they are copying CoD, so therefore Halo 4 is not going to be fun, fair or Balanced.
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> So get off your high horse… because just because you don’t care if Halo 4 is broken or not doesn’t give you permission to dictate to others just because they do care about balance

Let me put something out there. This is Bane iZ Missing’s opinion and he is entitled to voice it so stop saying he has no reason to dictate because he is not dictating at all.

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You do make some good points but I found it a bit stereotypical at times.