Don’t get me wrong it sounds like fun playing as flood in infection, but come on they said no flood and no Sangheili because it didn’t fit with the Infinity scenario. As a Elite fan who has completed every game on legendary I do not know why they are doing this to us for no good reason!
If you look at the Flood, they are exactly like a Spartan (because they are Flood infected Spartans, obviously), hit detections and all. only difference is looks.
I’m assuming the reason why Flood can happen but not Elites is this reason.
Indeed, adding Elites would be all new character models but the Flood biomass is like an Armor permutation over the main Spartan body.
Very much so. And the new Flood doesn’t even look like it remotely belongs in the Halo Universe. I can’t imagine what a Gravemind would look like without the green. Whatever happened to the the mutations being for a reason? Like this and this? Instead we get this thing that doesn’t remotely resemble a Combat Form. It looks like a Crab-People.
This is what the Sangheili lose out to for Multiplayer exposure…seriously…
> Very much so. And the new Flood doesn’t even look like it remotely belongs in the Halo Universe. I can’t imagine what a Gravemind would look like without the green. Whatever happened to the the mutations being for a reason? Like this and this? Instead we get this thing that doesn’t remotely resemble a Combat Form. It looks like a Crab-People.
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> This is what the Sangheili lose out to for Multiplayer exposure…seriously…
Because having a radically different hitbox for one game type is…
-Yoinking!- stupid.
Seriously. The only reason it looks like that is simply because, well, it fits the Spartan Hitbox.
Not to mention, it’s never even been confirmed to be a combat form, Not all Flood Forms are Combat Forms, just like how Not all Zombies (Nowadays, at least.) are walkers, we have these crazy branches of different infected types with different abilities.
This is probably going to be considered a “Hunter” form, an “Advanced” form. or a “Hyper” form, something along those lines.
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> Seriously. The only reason it looks like that is simply because, well, it fits the Spartan Hitbox.
Elites have stood upright for the majority of all Halo games. Only in Halo 3 were they hunched over. Radically different does not fit the description what is being discussed at all.
> Not to mention, it’s never even been confirmed to be a combat form, Not all Flood Forms are Combat Forms, just like how Not all Zombies (Nowadays, at least.) are walkers, we have these crazy branches of different infected types with different abilities.
> This is probably going to be considered a “Hunter” form, an “Advanced” form. or a “Hyper” form, something along those lines.
It is a Combat Form. They are infected SPARTAN IVs. That was the whole point of the update and why they are included in the new Infection mode. Hunters cannot be infected.
I enjoy having the Flood, but they are in for the very reason Elites are out. Its kinda hypocritical. I accepted that Halo 4 would be only about Spartan IVs, then they give me the Flood. I like having the Flood playable, but this is wrong.
> I enjoy having the Flood, but they are in for the very reason Elites are out. Its kinda hypocritical. I accepted that Halo 4 would be only about Spartan IVs, then they give me the Flood. I like having the Flood playable, but this is wrong.
The Flood are Spartan-IVs and do not appear to be a new character model, which the Elites would be. You can see here that they are Spartan-IVs and the Flood biomass covers the under armor like a simple permutation. So the Flood are not new models but just an armor permutation.
> > Because having a radically different hitbox <mark>for the infected players, I mean, look at the combat form image you posted, so many lumps, the broken neck, tentacles, hard to distinguish where the head should be. not to mention you’d have to develop all new hitboxes for the crazy thing.</mark> for one game type is…
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> It is a Combat Form. They are infected SPARTAN IVs. That was the whole point of the update and why they are included in the new Infection mode. Hunters cannot be infected.
Corrected my post in this so you can understand it a bit better.
So what you’re saying is you’d rather have 343i distort the Flood Combat Forms than simply use the Elites like they have in the past 3 Halo games? (Excluding Halo 3: ODST and Halo Wars, obviously. Well actually you could play as Ripa 'Moramee in Multiplayer in Halo Wars so technically the past 4 Halo games have included elites in Multiplayer.)
> So what you’re saying is you’d rather have 343i distort the Flood Combat Forms than simply use the Elites like they have in the past 3 Halo games? (Excluding Halo 3: ODST and Halo Wars, obviously. Well actually you could play as Ripa 'Moramee in Multiplayer in Halo Wars so technically the past 4 Halo games have included elites in Multiplayer.)
Since the Flood is ever-changing and quite the creative parasite, Yes, It makes sense that the Flood would be able to change it’s form on a whim, considering it’s under complete control of the host’s nervous system and DNA.
…Wait.
Are you trying to say that this Flood form is somehow an alternate player model? It’s not, it’s just for infection.
> > So what you’re saying is you’d rather have 343i distort the Flood Combat Forms than simply use the Elites like they have in the past 3 Halo games? (Excluding Halo 3: ODST and Halo Wars, obviously. Well actually you could play as Ripa 'Moramee in Multiplayer in Halo Wars so technically the past 4 Halo games have included elites in Multiplayer.)
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> Since the Flood is ever-changing and quite the creative parasite, Yes, It makes sense that the Flood would be able to change it’s form on a whim, considering it’s under complete control of the host’s nervous system.
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> Are you trying to say that this Flood form is somehow an alternate player model? It’s not, it’s just for infection.
There is no reasoning behind these mutations. No tentacles, no head pushed aside and replaced with the feelers, etc. The Flood changes their host to the most capable form, not whatever it feels like, and certainly not a crab-person.
And no, it obviously isn’t an alternate player model. But why not keep Sangheili only for Invasion? Or better yet even have their own playlist? There is much more potential for Multiplayer Game Modes with Sangheili than there are with Crab-Flood.
> > > So what you’re saying is you’d rather have 343i distort the Flood Combat Forms than simply use the Elites like they have in the past 3 Halo games? (Excluding Halo 3: ODST and Halo Wars, obviously. Well actually you could play as Ripa 'Moramee in Multiplayer in Halo Wars so technically the past 4 Halo games have included elites in Multiplayer.)
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> > Since the Flood is ever-changing and quite the creative parasite, Yes, It makes sense that the Flood would be able to change it’s form on a whim, considering it’s under complete control of the host’s nervous system.
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> There is no reasoning behind these mutations. No tentacles, no head pushed aside and replaced with the feelers, etc. The Flood changes their host to the most capable form, not whatever it feels like, and certainly not a crab-person.
What does no reasoning mean? There’d be no point in struggling to shatter the bones of a host and forming new ones when the body’s already incredibly durable as is, The Form didn’t need to make many changes because it’s obviously already more than useful as is. the tentacle-baton on his right arm is just for that extra punch.
Also, if you haven’t noticed. there is no infection form on the host. It was probably an airborne infection. Which also means the body doesn’t need to have it’s chest cavity violently ripped open and cause the neck to snap back and mangle the head so the Infection form can see, Airborne leaves everything mostly intact and, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
> And no, it obviously isn’t an alternate player model. But why not keep Sangheili only for Invasion? Or better yet even have their own playlist? There is much more potential for Multiplayer Game Modes with Sangheili than there are with Crab-Flood.
Because having Flood in and Elites in is just too much effort, and elites having their own playlists would just mean a very lowly populated playlist that would be taken out in a month or two.
I’d say “Crab flood” (Not sure why you call it that) have just as much “Potential” As Elites did.
> There is no reasoning behind these mutations.
Yes there is: These are not Flood. They are holographic projections aboard the UNSC Infinity’s Combat Deck for training purposes. Halo 4 Multiplayer is a simulation where Spartan-IVs train.
Crab people aren’t real flood. And I mean that.
They’re part of a training exercise. Real Flood wouldn’t be used in a training exercise and they wouldn’t deliberately infect their spartans for the sake of a training exercise.
They’re basically just costumes to make them look infected.
> Yes there is: These are not Flood. They are holographic projections aboard the UNSC Infinity’s Combat Deck for training purposes. Halo 4 Multiplayer is a simulation where Spartan-IVs train.
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These are your answer’s people, The Spartans would need to be desensitized and therefore able to combat what once was there comrades, now infected. The possibility of a flood outbreak is still possible. But when is a Spartan ever gunna get infected and turn into a Elite?.. never… hence no Elites.
Wouldn’t it make sense to make the holograms look like the actual thing though? I mean, if they train this way, if the SPARTAN IVs encounter real flood, they will aim for the head. On real combat forms, the head is useless. You have to get the feelers and the arms. Pretty crappy training exercise if you ask me. And how do you explain Grifball?
> Wouldn’t it make sense to make the holograms look like the actual thing though? I mean, if they train this way, if the SPARTAN IVs encounter real flood, they will aim for the head. On real combat forms, the head is useless. You have to get the feelers and the arms. Pretty crappy training exercise if you ask me. And how do you explain Grifball?
Your flood question has already been answered by the post bellow. As for Griffball, its a sport man. Spartans can’t have fun now?
> What does no reasoning mean? There’d be no point in struggling to shatter the bones of a host and forming new ones when the body’s already incredibly durable as is, The Form didn’t need to make many changes because it’s obviously already more than useful as is. the tentacle-baton on his right arm is just for that extra punch.
> Also, if you haven’t noticed. there is no infection form on the host. It was probably an airborne infection. Which also means the body doesn’t need to have it’s chest cavity violently ripped open and cause the neck to snap back and mangle the head so the Infection form can see, Airborne leaves everything mostly intact and, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
> > Wouldn’t it make sense to make the holograms look like the actual thing though? I mean, if they train this way, if the SPARTAN IVs encounter real flood, they will aim for the head. On real combat forms, the head is useless. You have to get the feelers and the arms. Pretty crappy training exercise if you ask me. And how do you explain Grifball?
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> Your flood question has already been answered by the post bellow. As for Griffball, its a sport man. Spartans can’t have fun now?
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> > Also, if you haven’t noticed. there is no infection form on the host. It was probably an airborne infection. Which also means the body doesn’t need to have it’s chest cavity violently ripped open and cause the neck to snap back and mangle the head so the Infection form can see, Airborne leaves everything mostly intact and, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
There is never an infection form on the host when it becomes a Combat Form. And I don’t think it’s even possible for the flood to be an airborne infection. Also, it would be more useful if it was shifted into a true Combat form, hence the crazy jump height and damage from the tentacle, something a SPARTAN IV in regular form cannot do without armor abilities. Also, as stated earlier, when they encounter real flood, they will be screwed if they aim for the head and not the feelers or the tentacles, none of which this hologram has.
And last time I checked, a sport is hockey, wrestling, football, or soccer. Grifball, a sport involving hammers, swords, and explosives, I can’t see taking off in the civilian world. Not to mention they don’t have access to Energy Swords or Gravity Hammers. And how are they going to explain Gravity Hammers? There are no Brutes in Halo 4. Canonical multiplayer is the worst idea 343i has had.
Idk im not too worried about it. I mean it’s nice and cool to have the option (i really only used it in Invasion (obvi) and Halo3.