Reading through these forum posts, I am rather amazed at some of the comments. Halo 4 has only been out a few months, and without a doubt there are some issues that need to be adressed in order to please the majority of players. 343, as with any business relies on customer satisfaction to suceed. Don’t imagine for a moment that they don’t study this forum, and try to decide a balance to make the majority of players happy.
Sometimes the designers must almost tear their hair out in frustration at all the conflicting demands posted on here. Constructive criticism is good, it allows the designers to try to work out a happy medium. As for the I hate halo 4 posters, why don’t you go sit in a corner, have a little cry, and go play cod or something.
It seems like the haters of this game want everyone else to hate it too. This is the first game I have played online, so I don’t pretend to be an expert on halo, but then again, I don’t live in the past either.
Give 343 a chance, I am sure they want this game to suceed.
Nobody lives in the past. People just want a proper Halo game.
Depends on how you define a proper halo game. As I said, this is my first online game, but I played all the other halo games offline to death.
> Depends on how you define a proper halo game. As I said, this is my first online game, but I played all the other halo games offline to death.
Then regrettably you will never understand what we mean. Halo 3 MM is only a shadow of Halo 2 MM although you could still give it a go.
Ok, I understand now. So you are telling me that on first release the other games had no issues or glitches that needed fixing?
Not necessarily. Halo 2 had some major issues when released and a TU fixed that. It improved the game so much that it is considered by many players to be the peak of Halo’s MM. However the difference being that Halo 2 mainly had weapon balance issues and at its core it had the potential to be a massive MM success (which it became).
Halo 4 on the other hand, does not have the same Halo core - the core mechanics of the game have changed since Halo 3 - and I’m not sure that a TU can fix this to the point where it will ever play as well as Halo 3 or 2.
<mark>I can feel the best Halo game ever in Halo 4</mark> (seriously) but to turn it into this would mean <mark>completely redoing the game</mark>, something a TU cannot do.
Ok, I see your point, but sometimes tradition can also mean living in the past. This is not h2 or h3, it is h4. So I think people need to accept that and try to work together to make 343 understand exactly what the majority want. As I have said, for a business to suceed they need the majority of customers to be satisfied. Constructive suggestions is the best way to achieve this, not the continous stream of halo 4 sux etc. I am sure the majority of halo fans would not want 343 to just say… Stuff it, let’s not bother making any more halos. I know they won’t say that, but see my point?
> Ok, I see your point, but sometimes tradition can also mean living in the past. This is not h2 or h3, it is h4. So I think people need to accept that and try to work together to make 343 understand exactly what the majority want. As I have said, for a business to suceed they need the majority of customers to be satisfied. Constructive suggestions is the best way to achieve this, not the continous stream of halo 4 sux etc. I am sure the majority of halo fans would not want 343 to just say… Stuff it, let’s not bother making any more halos. I know they won’t say that, but see my point?
343 catered to the majority already and the War Games population suggests that they’ve moved on. They’re now trying to salvage some form of decent experience for competitve players.
Keeping the successful tenants of past Halo games has nothing to do with living in the past, so stop spewing that nonsense.
@Lag Warrior: Yeah, if the game had had a beta, then the silly things that are complained about here (no descoping, Boltshot, etc.) would have been fixed last year.
> Ok, I see your point, but sometimes tradition can also mean living in the past. This is not h2 or h3, it is h4. So I think people need to accept that and try to work together to make 343 understand exactly what the majority want. As I have said, for a business to suceed they need the majority of customers to be satisfied. Constructive suggestions is the best way to achieve this, not the continous stream of halo 4 sux etc. I am sure the majority of halo fans would not want 343 to just say… Stuff it, let’s not bother making any more halos. I know they won’t say that, but see my point?
You’re putting words in my mouth.
I never said anything about ‘tradition’. I never suggested that Halo 4 should become Halo 2. All I said was that Halo 4 has the <mark>potential to be as popular as Halo 2 or 3</mark> - BIG difference.
IMO a game franchise should never change its core game mechanics. Changing the core mechanics of a game isolates members of its target market and will often lead to that franchise dying. But this isn’t about whether Halo 4 should be changed to mimic Halo 2 or 3, it is about changing Halo 4 to make it better.
First off I can tell you this - Reach was a failure and Halo 4 is a failure - this not a opinion, this is a fact. Falling population, fan reactions, XBL chart listing and Metascore scores all indicate that Halo 4 has failed.
All of the facts indicate that the majority of Halo fans do not want AA, loadouts and Reach styled gameplay. All of the facts suggest that fans want the original Halo to make a return. And that is all I have to say on the matter.
It happens with every release with a ton of posters saying Halo is dead yet a couple of them are still ranked in the top 10 or 5 and there are still people playing them. Who cares if the whole world is playing Halo at once, cause as long as I can still find a match I’m happy.
having a different opinion to you doesn’t mean I am spewing nonsense. If 343 just try to appeal to the old school players like you, then they won’t stay in business for long. Have you played halo 4 for long enough to make a expert judgement? insults are a sign of low intelligence.
Honestly I dislike this game for a lot of reasons. I even still play Halo 3 MM because I actually enjoy playing it compared to reach and this. I certainly hope the TU fixes some of the issues I have, but I still won’t be satisfied because it won’t cater to the competitive community.
> having a different opinion to you doesn’t mean I am spewing nonsense.
Having the opinion that haters are just stuck in the past will only make you seem like an idiot. I’m trying to help you.
> Have you played halo 4 for long enough to make a expert judgement?
No, because I was able to, with years of experience with the series, tell a long time ago that it would be a game that I wouldn’t enjoy.
> insults are a sign of low intelligence.
I can assure you that you are in no position to imply that anyone’s intelligence is low.
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It is true that after the release of every Halo game there has been community backlash - Halo 2 being the prime example. Prior to TU it deserved to be flamed and because of the criticisms it improved to become one of the best Halos ever. But even CursedLeamon (gamertag) one of the creators of Halo2sucks.com admitted that he returned to Halo 2 prior to the TU and discovered to his surprise that it was a great game.
The same cannot be said for Reach - that is where the difference lays. Halo 2 was at its core the original Halo, Reach wasn’t and for many that was the death of Halo.
Ok, I can’t be bothered with this. I wasn’t aware that halo 4 was out a long time ago, so how can you say that? And according to your stats you haven’t even played h4 online. I can’t see how you can say you are trying to help me by sprouting drivel. Like it or not, my opinion is as valid as yours, so get over it. I have this vision of you playing dressed in camo gear, and growling…aargh, women and seamen don’t mix.
> And according to your stats you haven’t even played h4 online.
I wrote that in my previous post. Learn to read.
> I can’t see how you can say you are trying to help me by sprouting drivel. Like it or not, my opinion is as valid as yours, so get over it.
Okay. Have fun posting falsehoods.
> I have this vision of you playing dressed in camo gear, and growling…aargh, women and seamen don’t mix.
Lol.
You see the problem is, halo 4 plays nothing like previous games. We are not living in the past I know i would be fine with halo 4 it it played at all like previous games. But they changed the core game play aspects and that is never good. People for some reason think that we dont like change. Change is good, but the change for the sake of change or the type of change that happend for halo 4 is not good. The change that halo 4 underwent changed core gameplay aspects and isolated a section of the fan base.
to be fair, a lot of complainers have gone and played COD or another game. On launch week halo 4 hit a peak population of 410k. The population has dropped over 80% since then.
Ok, I didn’t use the word traditional as some form of insult. The long term players of halo are without a doubt the best source of knowledge for 343 to learn from. I am just giving an opinion from a new players point of view. I am sure all players of halo want this game too suceed, and it will only happen if 343 take notice of what the halo community is saying. Though I do think long term players ( not all ) need to get over this whole noobies are a disease attitude, it is rather childish. I stated quite clearly that I am new, and that this is an opinion only.
I can only judge this game on it’s merits, not compare it to previous halos, as I never played them online.