Hello everyone, ever since I played the level “Infinity” within the Halo 4 campaign, when the Master Chief(John-177) opens the security doors and Spartan IVs exit the Forerunner site, I noticed that in that cut-scene the other Spartans do not seem to realize the Chief is among them. When Sarah Palmer and Commander Lasky talk to John, they don’t seem to be surprised to see him(Especially when he’s been missing for more than four years). Not to mention that the UNSC claims that the Spartan Is, IIs, and IIIs are becoming/are defective. So what does this all mean? I’ll clarify my question:
Question: Is the Master Chief losing his “special” place in the UNSC? And will he, like most other last gen Spartans, be replaced?
I mean after all when in the Prologue where Catherine Halsey is interrogated, the interrogator asks her if the Chief succeeded because at his core, he was broken. What was the meaning of that question? Was he trying to ask if he was becoming defective or was “broken” on the inside? I am really unsure about all of this. If anyone can be lead me in the direction of truth on what is really going on in the Halo universe with the relationship between the Chief and the UNSC, then I would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
By “At his core broken” he means he had no life other than indoctrination into military at such a young age. He was never able to make decisions about his own life, the military broke him. Spartans will be around for a long time now, especially considering they have become their own branch in the military. Heck, Palmer is the commander of Infinity, the flagship of humanity.
> By “At his core broken” he means he had no life other than indoctrination into military at such a young age. He was never able to make decisions about his own life, the military broke him. Spartans will be around for a long time now, especially considering they have become their own branch in the military. Heck, Palmer is the commander of Infinity, the flagship of humanity.
Okay, thanks for clearing things up and answering my question. It is much appreciated!
> UNSC claims that the Spartan Is, IIs, and IIIs are becoming/are defective.
I doubt the validity of that claim. The Is were arguably defective given how how poor its results were. A low number of candidates survived the surgeries and without proper indoctrination resulted in them developing rebel sympathies, a bad thing for counterinsurgency operatives. The IIs aren’t defective, the problem with them is that so few of them remain. The IIIs aren’t defective, they are just being pooled into the larger S-IV force now that their role as suicide soldiers is fundamentally over.
The interrogator questioned Halsey if Chief was broken at his core, but I have to wonder how much of that was meant to get under her skin given her special appreciation towards Chief. The canon shows that the sociopathic tendencies alleged by the interrogator are full of -Yoink-.
I feel he has lost his ‘oh there is master chief!!!’ appeal b/c he’s become a true super star and it’s known.
In Halo 1-2-3, the Covey was taking over and he saved the day. So when people would see him, it was he who just saved humanity from sure destruction.
It’s like when a sports star has that HUGE season they are bigger than life for awhile. Now, Lebron is the best, everyone knows it, so seeing him is like ‘there’s the king’ (normal voice, been there done that, already hero).
So yes, the SPECIAL appeal will go down over time. The impact will always be there.
Also, Halo 4 story line was less… ‘big picture epic’ and more focused on a specific story between 117 and Cortana. So it’s like BOOM factor in general for the flow and more ‘story driven’.
> I feel he has lost his ‘oh there is master chief!!!’ appeal b/c he’s become a true super star and it’s known.
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> In Halo 1-2-3, the Covey was taking over and he saved the day. So when people would see him, it was he who just saved humanity from sure destruction.
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> It’s like when a sports star has that HUGE season they are bigger than life for awhile. Now, Lebron is the best, everyone knows it, so seeing him is like ‘there’s the king’ (normal voice, been there done that, already hero).
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> So yes, the SPECIAL appeal will go down over time. The impact will always be there.
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> Also, Halo 4 story line was less… ‘big picture epic’ and more focused on a specific story between 117 and Cortana. So it’s like BOOM factor in general for the flow and more ‘story driven’.
Yeah, I suppose your right about that. Thanks for your thoughts!
One thing to remember about everybody’s reactions to the Chief in the Halo trilogy was that their reactions were largely based on him being one of the last Spartans. Most of the time you heard people say something along the lines of, “It’s a Spartan! We’re saved!” or “I didn’t know there were any still alive.” Now there are so many Spartans that they make up their own branch of the UNSC.
Also, in the final cutscene, when the Chief walks into the armory to have his armor removed, all the other characters in there are seen watching him, seemingly in awe of him or anticipating seeing the man under the suit.
> Hello everyone, ever since I played the level “Infinity” within the Halo 4 campaign, when the Master Chief(John-177) opens the security doors and Spartan IVs exit the Forerunner site, I noticed that in that cut-scene the other Spartans do not seem to realize the Chief is among them. When Sarah Palmer and Commander Lasky talk to John, they don’t seem to be surprised to see him(Especially when he’s been missing for more than four years). Not to mention that the UNSC claims that the Spartan Is, IIs, and IIIs are becoming/are defective. So what does this all mean? I’ll clarify my question:
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> Question: Is the Master Chief losing his “special” place in the UNSC? And will he, like most other last gen Spartans, be replaced?
>
> I mean after all when in the Prologue where Catherine Halsey is interrogated, the interrogator asks her if the Chief succeeded because at his core, he was broken. What was the meaning of that question? Was he trying to ask if he was becoming defective or was “broken” on the inside? I am really unsure about all of this. If anyone can be lead me in the direction of truth on what is really going on in the Halo universe with the relationship between the Chief and the UNSC, then I would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
First off, it is <mark>117 not 177</mark> lol.
Anyhow, the reactions were probably caused by poor/flawed writing in the story.
However, Spartan IIs are valued as war heros and legends whereas S1s were defective(except Johnson). Spartan 3s were treated and are treated as Spartan IVs.
Chief isn’t in anyway losing his place, he just isn’t as needed at the moment as humanity isn’t in huge danger.
To answer your question, if you listen to Halsey and Cortana throughout the Cutscenes/dialogue of the campaign, you will hear multiple remarks about ONI wanting/trying to replace John.
> Also, in the final cutscene, when the Chief walks into the armory to have his armor removed, all the other characters in there are seen watching him, seemingly in awe of him or anticipating seeing the man under the suit.
I loved this final cutscene. The part where Masterchief walks past Palmer and she has to look up at him with what looks like envie in her eyes is incredble. It really shows his dominance over the S-IV, through his height and physical prowess.
> > Hello everyone, ever since I played the level “Infinity” within the Halo 4 campaign, when the Master Chief(John-177) opens the security doors and Spartan IVs exit the Forerunner site, I noticed that in that cut-scene the other Spartans do not seem to realize the Chief is among them. When Sarah Palmer and Commander Lasky talk to John, they don’t seem to be surprised to see him(Especially when he’s been missing for more than four years). Not to mention that the UNSC claims that the Spartan Is, IIs, and IIIs are becoming/are defective. So what does this all mean? I’ll clarify my question:
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> > Question: Is the Master Chief losing his “special” place in the UNSC? And will he, like most other last gen Spartans, be replaced?
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> > I mean after all when in the Prologue where Catherine Halsey is interrogated, the interrogator asks her if the Chief succeeded because at his core, he was broken. What was the meaning of that question? Was he trying to ask if he was becoming defective or was “broken” on the inside? I am really unsure about all of this. If anyone can be lead me in the direction of truth on what is really going on in the Halo universe with the relationship between the Chief and the UNSC, then I would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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> First off, it is <mark>117 not 177</mark> lol.
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> Anyhow, the reactions were probably caused by poor/flawed writing in the story.
> However, Spartan IIs are valued as war heros and legends whereas S1s were defective(except Johnson). Spartan 3s were treated and are treated as Spartan IVs.
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> Chief isn’t in anyway losing his place, he just isn’t as needed at the moment as humanity isn’t in huge danger.
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> To answer your question, if you listen to Halsey and Cortana throughout the Cutscenes/dialogue of the campaign, you will hear multiple remarks about ONI wanting/trying to replace John.
Yeah, sorry about that, it was a typo(I knew it was 117, just mist-typed it). Anyways thank you for answering my question, It really helped!