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> > Okay, I have heard many players on Halo 4 and YouTube comments talking about how Halo 4 isn’t the exact photo-replica of the classical Halo games. If you want the old, play the old. Not the new.Halo 4 is 343’s second game as a FPS, since Halo: Wars was a strategy game. Of course it borrowed some aspects from Call of Duty, like custom classes. <mark>Okay, they did not have some of the gametypes like Assault, regular infection, VIP (Reach didn’t have that, either), and Race/Rally. But that doesn’t matter!</mark> Enjoy the game, and if you don’t like it, sell it or don’t play it. Simple as that.
> > I rest my case.
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> So it doesn’t matter than Halo 4 has less content than Reach?

I would say less content than halo 3.

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> Okay, I have heard many players on Halo 4 and YouTube comments talking about how Halo 4 isn’t the exact photo-replica of the classical Halo games."

Wow… just wow.

Are we actually getting to a place where the only Halo 4 defense is, “People just want an exact copy of Halo 3 again”?

I mean seriously, how often am I going to have to correct this?

Listen here OP, because once you have read my post, you no longer have any reason to type that nonsense again.
If people dislike Halo 4, or dislike features in Halo 4, that does not mean that they dislike it because it isn’t Halo 3 in a Halo 4 case. It doesn’t mean those people want the exact same game over and over.
It means they don’t like things about Halo 4.

> If you want the old, play the old. Not the new.

Since we are doing this - If you want Call of Duty, play Call of Duty.

(Your inevitable, predictable response) - “But Halo 4 isn’t Call of Duty, I don’t want Call of Duty”.

In the same way that we do not want Halo 3. We want a new Halo that genuinely innovates, while maintaining core game mechanics.

> Halo 4 is 343’s second game as a FPS, since Halo: Wars was a strategy game. Of course it borrowed some aspects from Call of Duty, like custom classes.

Saying “of course they did such and such” does nothing to refute the arguemtns against it.

If I said “of course there are trolls in the world”, that wouldn’t make trolling good.

> Okay, they did not have some of the gametypes like Assault, regular infection, VIP (Reach didn’t have that, either), and Race/Rally. But that doesn’t matter!

Your opinion. And the lack of gametypes are only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what people dislike about Halo 4.

> Enjoy the game, and if you don’t like it, sell it or don’t play it. Simple as that.

Terrible (x20) way to argue against the idea of people voicing their concerns about Halo 4.
If people dislike the game, then they absolutely can sell it or not play it. But how does that conflict with their right to complain about the game?

It doesn’t

> I rest my case.

Saying “I rest my case” does nothing to add to the credibility of your arguments.

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> > This sums up my opinion as well. Threads like this one that tell people to either put up or shut up are just horrible.
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> As are the “OMg 343 u sux beecuase u ruin Hal0. Halo dead 4ever! HATE.” threads.
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> I’m exaggerating a bit of course, but you all know what I mean.

I’m sorry but have you seen the person you were responding to ever make those types of threads?

There was really no reason to make that argument. Whether or not there are “Halo 4 ux” threads, doesn’t do anything to change the credibility of the types of threads we are currently posting in, so there was really no need to point that out.

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> I’m sorry but have you seen the person you were responding to ever make those types of threads?
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> There was really no reason to make that argument. Whether or not there are “Halo 4 ux” threads, doesn’t do anything to change the credibility of the types of threads we are currently posting in, so there was really no need to point that out.

I have no idea where you’re coming from with that first sentence.

And yes, there was a reason. I was trying to be fair by pointing out that both “sides” of the Halo 4 debate have extremists.

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> > I’m sorry but have you seen the person you were responding to ever make those types of threads?
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> > There was really no reason to make that argument. Whether or not there are “Halo 4 ux” threads, doesn’t do anything to change the credibility of the types of threads we are currently posting in, so there was really no need to point that out.
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> I have no idea where you’re coming from with that first sentence.
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> And yes, there was a reason. I was trying to be fair by pointing out that both “sides” of the Halo 4 debate have extremists.

In the first sentence, I was asking if you have ever seen that person (who you were replying to) make a “Halo 4 sux” thread?

As I don’t think it’s necessary to counter their argument like that, if they are not one of the culprits.

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> In the first sentence, I was asking if you have ever seen that person (who you were replying to) make a “Halo 4 sux” thread?
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> As I don’t think it’s necessary to counter their argument like that, if they are not one of the culprits.

Exactly. I never said he did anything of the sort, so why are you acting like I did?

I’m also not countering anyone’s argument, I’m just being fair.

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> > In the first sentence, I was asking if you have ever seen that person (who you were replying to) make a “Halo 4 sux” thread?
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> > As I don’t think it’s necessary to counter their argument like that, if they are not one of the culprits.
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> Exactly. I never said he did anything of the sort, so why are you acting like I did?
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> I’m also not countering anyone’s argument, I’m just being fair.

You didn’t have to say anything of the sort. The point I am making is that it ISN’T NECESSARY to say what you said, without knowing for a fact that Bud1087 has made those types of threads.

It isn’t the community as a whole that made the post that Bud1087 made, it was one person. What exacly was there to “be fair” about?

Bud1087 isn’t personally responsible, nor are they automatically associated with people that have made “Halo 4 sux” threads. So your response wasn’t necessary.

Their point stands whether or not there are people that make “Halo 4 sux threads”. What on Earth do those threads have to do with what Bud1087 said? Nothing.

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He was just saying that there are just as many blind and unreasonable Halo 4 love topics as there are blind and unreasonable Halo 4 hate topics, and both are horrible. He wasn’t calling anyone out or accusing anyone of anything.

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That what i am talking about i heard thousand of people complain about halo 4 is not the same as the old one… well hello is 343 again is no more bungie and i am proud that at least 343 change a little bit even if sad to see some old cool stuff are gone but still i am happy with halo 4 i think is better than the other one… and i heard from people that 343 is making halo 4 just for profit and not for entertainment since the announce of champions bundle dlc they are saiyn it more but think this if 343 is making halo 4 for profit why are they giving champions bundle at a great price for the stuff they are giving and some stuff returning from other halo. tell me then… and wait explain this to me if 343 is making it for profit well bungie did it too how? u may ask ur self well bungie came out with 3 different halo 3 games well was not a bad idea but why the same years… for profit…now if u donot like it just go and sell it and buy another one; if u think halo 4 is not the same as the old ones well go play the old one… just let other people enjoy halo 4… if u saying halo 5 will be worst because bungie is no more with halo well donot think on preordering just go and preorder DESTINY from bungie… just stop complaining about halo 4 …

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> That what i am talking about i heard thousand of people complain about halo 4 is not the same as the old one… well hello is 343 again is no more bungie and i am proud that at least 343 change a little bit even if sad to see some old cool stuff are gone but still i am happy with halo 4 i think is better than the other one… and i heard from people that 343 is making halo 4 just for profit and not for entertainment since the announce of champions bundle dlc they are saiyn it more but think this if 343 is making halo 4 for profit why are they giving champions bundle at a great price for the stuff they are giving and some stuff returning from other halo. tell me then… and wait explain this to me if 343 is making it for profit well bungie did it too how? u may ask ur self well bungie came out with 3 different halo 3 games well was not a bad idea but why the same years… for profit…now if u donot like it just go and sell it and buy another one; if u think halo 4 is not the same as the old ones well go play the old one… just let other people enjoy halo 4… if u saying halo 5 will be worst because bungie is no more with halo well donot think on preordering just go and preorder DESTINY from bungie… just stop complaining about halo 4 …

lol i will complain as much as i want.

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> That what i am talking about i heard thousand of people complain about halo 4 is not the same as the old one… well hello is 343 again is no more bungie and i am proud that at least 343 change a little bit even if sad to see some old cool stuff are gone but still i am happy with halo 4 i think is better than the other one… and i heard from people that 343 is making halo 4 just for profit and not for entertainment since the announce of champions bundle dlc they are saiyn it more but think this if 343 is making halo 4 for profit why are they giving champions bundle at a great price for the stuff they are giving and some stuff returning from other halo. tell me then… and wait explain this to me if 343 is making it for profit well bungie did it too how? u may ask ur self well bungie came out with 3 different halo 3 games well was not a bad idea but why the same years… for profit…now if u donot like it just go and sell it and buy another one; if u think halo 4 is not the same as the old ones well go play the old one… just let other people enjoy halo 4… if u saying halo 5 will be worst because bungie is no more with halo well donot think on preordering just go and preorder DESTINY from bungie… just stop complaining about halo 4 …

If you honestly think halo 2 was the same as halo ce or halo 3 is the same as halo 2 then all i have to say is wow.

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yeah i know lol u can complain all u want but i am talking about stupid people u tell every single human in the world that halo 4 suck lol

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all i am saying people donot need to critic 343 work if u donot like it donot play it just let other people enjoy halo 4 that what i mean…

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Also: don’t know if this was mentioned, but the massive development team at 343 contained industry veterans. I’m sure they had made quality first person shooters up to this point. Don’t feel like looking though.

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> Yet another one of these threads I see. But I’ll post. You cannot go around telling people who bought the game to either shut up and deal with it or get out. How do you think the Reach TU came about? Or better yet, the fixed Mass Effect 3 ending?
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> There are several problems with this game that are purely subjective, such as a lack of a party matching system, search filters, host selection, and gutted customs and Forge. On top of that, there are many more subjective problems that the majority seems to dislike at this point.
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> Bottom line is this: I bought the game, and so did you. You have no right to say I can’t dislike it. I will complain about it as much as I want, AKA exercise my freedom of speech and right as a consumer.

Totally agree with the entire post. The Red Hilgihted seciton is an especially crippling aspect of H4 for me. It is so bad that I quit playing Halo 4 multiplyer on June 6th and went back to Halo Reach. 5% of my Halo Reach (and 4 other multiplayer tiles) lag as bad as 70% of my Halo 4 war games did - so it isn’t my connection - it’s H4 that is broken.

And instead of fixing basic game play issues, 343 gives us more DLC maps (which they won’t let us play when we want to) and cosmetic stuff (armours stances) to placate the remaining less than 30,000 peak per day players left:

http://halocharts.com/2013/playlists_halo4.php

Reach is 3+ years old and draws up to 25,000 per day still!

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> all i am saying people donot need to critic 343 work if u donot like it donot play it just let other people enjoy halo 4 that what i mean…

I like jelly donots the best.

Why do you think the games pop is so low??

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Couldn’t agree more. I love how every Halo game is new and improves on old successes as well as evolving and presenting new ways for the player to enjoy the game. Every halo game is different, and I love every one of them.

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> Couldn’t agree more. I love how every Halo game is new and improves on old successes as well as evolving and presenting new ways for the player to enjoy the game. Every halo game is different, and I love every one of them.

New? Yes.
Improves? No
Enjoy? 85% of the pop may say otherwise.

I’m glad you are happy with the game but let’s get something straight. H4 didn’t build on or improve on any other Halo game but Reach(and I wouldn’t call that an improvement)

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I find it hilarious when people say “halo needed to evolve” no it did not (not in the way it did here anyway) call of duty never changes anything it adds new maps, guns and whatever with a few new things everytime and is still the most played game on xbox live granted most are little kids but it proves that halo itself never needed to ‘evolve’ the core fans would have still brought it and enjoyed it.

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These threads offer nothing.

If you can use the logic:

Since your complaining, you dont like the game, get off.

I can use the logic:

Since your complaining, you dont like the forums, get off.
Please.