Halo 4 hate and why?

I love the game, favorite Halo game. Could’ve done better with Spartan Ops but other that I love it. Here were are a year later and not that many people play it anymore. I personally think that people were just ready to rip the game up from the start because bungie left to make Destiny and 343 now took over so this made everyone nit picky.

Another thing I noticed is that a lot of people liked the story…but not multiplayer. Yea there are a couple things that annoy me about multiplayer like the insane amount of vehicles in big team slayer or the random ordinance drops yea, but I still really enjoy multiplayer a lot.

I just think we should be happy that Halo is still going on. without 343 there would be no halo at all and you can’t just expect them to copy everything bungie did, in today’s gaming world theres going to be changes.

It’s one thing to say its wasn’t your favorite halo or it was ok, but honestly I’m just tired of people ripping every new halo game up all the time this happened with Reach to and it just gets worse.

Those are my thoughts, just wanted to get some reasonable answers instead of “Oh your not a real Halo fan if you like Halo 4”, it gets old.

It changed things a little too much from what a lot of the old crowd really enjoyed. And many, many features were cut.

> I love the game, favorite Halo game. Could’ve done better with Spartan Ops but other that I love it. Here were are a year later and not that many people play it anymore. I personally think that people were just ready to rip the game up from the start because bungie left to make Destiny and 343 now took over so this made everyone nit picky.
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> Another thing I noticed is that a lot of people liked the story…but not multiplayer. Yea there are a couple things that annoy me about multiplayer like the insane amount of vehicles in big team slayer or the random ordinance drops yea, but I still really enjoy multiplayer a lot.
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> <mark>I just think we should be happy that Halo is still going on. without 343 there would be no halo at all and you can’t just expect them to copy everything bungie did, in today’s gaming world theres going to be changes.</mark>
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> It’s one thing to say its wasn’t your favorite halo or it was ok, but honestly I’m just tired of people ripping every new halo game up all the time this happened with Reach to and it just gets worse.
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> Those are my thoughts, just wanted to get some reasonable answers instead of “Oh your not a real Halo fan if you like Halo 4”, it gets old.

Given some of the things 343 Industries has pulled with the story aspect of Halo, in the games and books mind you, I wouldn’t mind if Halo had just stopped.

As for everything else, it isn’t about them not copying Bungie either, it is about them keeping Halo from having a set identity. Did Halo 4 really do anything to set itself out from the crowd of modern shooters? Not really.

Personally, I was not bothered by the fact that 343i took over the Halo franchise. I was very optimistic in the beginning and thought they could do just as good of a job as Bungie.

Sadly, my optimism began to dwindle the more 343i ignored what the community was saying. Any time the opinions of the community coincided with 343i’s goals they made sure to tell us that they were listening and then pat themselves on the back for every little accomplishment; the rest of the time we were simply passed off as the “vocal minority.” My confidence in 343i has withered. I don’t think they care about Halo as much as the community does.

As for the story, I didn’t like the campaign very much. Too much of the story relied on having read the books. I felt lost throughout most of it. I found Spartan Ops to be much better.

As the population dried up and more problems arose, 343i stuck their fingers in their ears and pretended that nothing was wrong. This birthday celebration thing is only the most recent evidence of that.

As to continuing Halo for the sake of continuing Halo, I would rather that the Master Chief’s story had ended with Halo 3. Slapping “Halo” on a mediocre game should not be enough for us to be grateful.

> I love the game, favorite Halo game. Could’ve done better with Spartan Ops but other that I love it. Here were are a year later and not that many people play it anymore. I personally think that people were just ready to rip the game up from the start because bungie left to make Destiny and 343 now took over so this made everyone nit picky.
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> Another thing I noticed is that a lot of people liked the story…but not multiplayer. Yea there are a couple things that annoy me about multiplayer like the insane amount of vehicles in big team slayer or the random ordinance drops yea, but I still really enjoy multiplayer a lot.
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> <mark>I just think we should be happy that Halo is still going on. without 343 there would be no halo at all and you can’t just expect them to copy everything bungie did, in today’s gaming world theres going to be changes.</mark>
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> It’s one thing to say its wasn’t your favorite halo or it was ok, but honestly I’m just tired of people ripping every new halo game up all the time this happened with Reach to and it just gets worse.
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> Those are my thoughts, just wanted to get some reasonable answers instead of “Oh your not a real Halo fan if you like Halo 4”, it gets old.

I really didn’t care if Halo continued or not when Bungie decided to make Destiny. If 343i wasn’t really, I wouldn’t care.

agreed! not only the best halo game but the best game period if you ask me. no other game gets my adrenaline pumping and keeps me as interested and entertained as a halo 4 match.

> It changed things a little too much from what a lot of the old crowd really enjoyed. And many, many features were cut.

I’d argue that the latter was more important. I noticed with Reach that a lot of what kept people going after the campaign and multi-player was the forge options and the like. The vast amounts of tools you were given to play with and fiddle about with added a large amount of replayability to the game. Halo 4’s Forge was what could be charitably called a “cliff notes” version.

> Given some of the things 343 Industries has pulled with the story aspect of Halo, in the games and books mind you, I wouldn’t mind if Halo had just stopped.

Yes, the… questionable decision to have the Destroyer of Intellectual Properties be set loose in the Halo Franchise after she’d already wrecked the Star Wars EU and had Gears of War’s expanded universe scrambling for damage control was a very questionable one, and I would love to get my hands on the minutes from that meeting…

> As for everything else, it isn’t about them not copying Bungie either, it is about them keeping Halo from having a set identity. Did Halo 4 really do anything to set itself out from the crowd of modern shooters? Not really.

They had some good ideas at their core, its just that the implementation had been botched horribly and 343i was strangely… obstinate, I guess, is the best way to put it, when it came to responding to the fans concerns. You could say that they’ve had a great deal of trouble admitting that they’ve screwed up and swallowing their pride.

Hmmm… come to think of it, that creates a disturbingly apt comparison between 343i and their would-be break out character, Sarah Palmer. How very curious.

> As for the story, I didn’t like the campaign very much. Too much of the story relied on having read the books. I felt lost throughout most of it. I found Spartan Ops to be much better.

I found it quite the opposite myself. I rather loved the campaign for its focus on building up the Chief’s character and the like (though I will be the first to agree with you that there should have been time taken to explain, in the game, that you were fighting a Covenant splinter faction (Lasky, Del-Rio, or Palmer could all have very easily filled the Chief in on this during one of the cutscenes) and to explain why the Didact, thus far presented in-game as a noble upstanding idealist per the Halo 3 terminals, is suddenly a kill-crazy psychopath with a frothing-at-the-mouth hatred for all things Human (i.e. there’s two of them, and this is not the one you read about in Halo 3. This could have been explained by the Librarian)). The result of not explaining this resulted in a disconnect and a lot of confusion among the player base. I’m all for including the EU more, just, well, if you’re going to do that, make sure that those who haven’t had a chance to familiarize themselves with it won’t be confused in game (i.e. a little contextual exposition, 343i, this is basic storywriting 101)).

Spartan Ops… ooooohhhh, don’t get me started on that mess. I’ve read higher quality fanfictions than that literary piece of garbage that Brian Reed or whoever the heck has editorial control over him has tried to force down our throats.

Campaign - not enough choices. rarely were you able to choose alternate paths. You were forced to from room to room clearing out one, and then opening the next. In the other games you often had the opportunity to rush past them, or to try different paths/methods. Given the locked down paths (and no rank/commendation advancement), there is little reason to replay this. Halo 3 and Reach had much better. Oh, and if they don’t bring Cortana back, that is a deal breaker.

Spartan Ops - They took away Fire Fight and replaced it with this, but then they dialogue is terrible, and the multiplayer is so laggy as to be worthless. I still grind on this for a few games a week, but due to wanting to complete the commendations, not for any deep-seated love for the game/ (and who set the levels for crawler snipers? we’ll only include them on a few maps, and the set it so high players have to play that same map 400 times! Genius!)

Multi-player - my biggest issue if the excessive influence of the top players. The insistence on symmetrical maps, the dropping of racing and assault, no open maps for heavies. “Let’s put snipes on Adrift, so we better players won’t have to merely spawn-kill them with our DMR’s, but we can humiliate them into quitting!”

and of course now, I can’t get matches with people at my skill level.

Not a forger, really, but I can tell you that the bland after-thought of a palette means nothing exciting - just more boxes…

> Oh, and if they don’t bring Cortana back, that is a deal breaker.

Please… no… let her rest in peace. Any attempt to go “lol! She’s back now!” will cheapen one of the most powerful moments in the franchise.

Couldn’t agree with you more. I know I certainly didn’t want Halo: Reach to be the last Halo and I am glad that 343 has taken the reigns and will lead us into an amazing trilogy. Can’t wait for Halo 5 and Halo 6!

Some aspects of MP bug the hell out of me but otherwise I love the game. I think it has the best campaign of the whole series!

@I043: There’s actually gonna be a 7 too. They announced that the Reclaimer “Trilogy” had become a “Saga”.

Yea i’m pumped for the next games…as well as Destiny…

> Hmmm… come to think of it, that creates a disturbingly apt comparison between 343i and their would-be break out character, Sarah Palmer. How very curious.

I am interested in where they will take this Sarah Palmers character. But they need to make a her a little less butt tight serious. She was pretty much the main character in Spartan Ops (which could’ve been better) and in Spartan Assault (not a big Halo game) but little of her was seen in the campaign of Halo 4. I think she was like in 2 or 3 cutscenes briefly.

> agreed! not only the best halo game but the best game period if you ask me. no other game gets my adrenaline pumping and keeps me as interested and entertained as a halo 4 match.

The Halo population chart (as well as the weekly Xbox LIVE activity chart) says otherwise. In just a few short weeks, Halo 3 is being played by more people than Halo 4. The fact that you say that it is the best game ever is a bit naive. There are way better games out there than Halo 4, all of which show me a better time than that sub-par game. As far as Halo 4 goes, it’s an eyesore collecting dust in my gaming library. I will play the occasional game of Flood, but nothing else really stands out to validate your claims.

343i dropped the ball with their first game and it took them far too long to fix anything that the community brought to light. 343i’s slow response in addressing said issues (as well as their claims that it was all part of a great scheme while trying to cover their mistakes) was the nail in the coffin as far as I am concerned. You can defend this game all you want. The fact is that while you may think that it is the best game ever, not everyone agrees with you. In fact, about 95% of the initial (post release) Halo 4 population disagrees with such claims and have moved on to other franchises.

> I love the game, favorite Halo game. Could’ve done better with Spartan Ops but other that I love it. Here were are a year later and not that many people play it anymore. <mark>I personally think that people were just ready to rip the game up from the start because bungie left to make Destiny and 343 now took over so this made everyone nit picky.</mark>
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> Another thing I noticed is that a lot of people liked the story…but not multiplayer. Yea there are a couple things that annoy me about multiplayer like the insane amount of vehicles in big team slayer or the random ordinance drops yea, but I still really enjoy multiplayer a lot.
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> I just think we should be happy that Halo is still going on. <mark>without 343 there would be no halo at all and you can’t just expect them to copy everything bungie did, in today’s gaming world theres going to be changes.</mark>
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> It’s one thing to say its wasn’t your favorite halo or it was ok, but honestly <mark>I’m just tired of people ripping every new halo game up all the time this happened with Reach to and it just gets worse.</mark>
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> Those are my thoughts, just wanted to get some reasonable answers instead of “Oh your not a real Halo fan if you like Halo 4”, it gets old.

You’d be wrong then. I’ll admit that I wasn’t very optimistic when I found out Halo 4 was a thing, but I was willing to give 343i the benefit of the doubt; a chance to show me they could make a Halo game as good as, or better than, Bungie’s. They didn’t though, and I’ve been spewing bile on these forums ever since.

You honestly think that Microsoft wouldn’t have been able to find or create another studio to manage the future of their most important video game franchise? And on the subject of change, how much change have the Call of Duty, Battlefield, and Assassin’s Creed franchises endured over the years? Hardly any really, yet they’re still hugely popular. In contrast, Halo 4 changed the inner workings of the series so drastically, it’s currently retaining less than 5% of its launch day population (less than 10% if you ignore the 200k that jumped ship when Black Ops 2 hit store shelves).

Couldn’t be that Halo 4 is a worse game than Reach.

Here’s my Top 3 favorite Halo games:

  1. Halo 2
  2. Halo 4
  3. Halo 3

In other words, I thoroughly enjoy Halo 4.

I won’t go more as to why because it’s pointless…

I’ll be honest i don’t touch halo 4 very often anymore. Why? Well for one thing iv’e recently (in the past few years) been getting into genres besides FPS games. Also i don’t because not many of my friends play it anymore (Their reason is the same as my first one.) I can’t have fun for very long on a game by myself.

I really don’t think i’ll main halo anymore and i regret doing it in the first place. I missed out on a lot of really good games. But i still loved halo 4 overall.

Why does Halo 4 get hate, you say? Well it’s because probably 75%+ of the player-base felt alienated to play a mash-up of Halo and CoD.

Halo 4 is not HALO is just call of duty with halo armor…

> Halo 4 is not HALO is just call of duty with halo armor…

Chiwawas aren’t DOGS just rats with dog skin…