Halo 4 - Did 343 let us down?

I don’t know about “letting anyone down”, I think they made the best Halo game they knew how.

What I’m disappointed with is mostly… well, the lack of Co-Op Support, both online and offline. That was a giant step backwards from Reach. No matchmaking for Campaign. No Firefight. And Spartan Ops is repetitive, cannot be played offline/local splitscreen or system link, and has no customization options (Rocket Launchers and Jetpacks was a lot of fun in Firefight).

But what really annoys me is the arrogance of telling people when they can play what. This goes particularly for Spartan Ops - 343 complains there’s not enough people playing to support adding all available Episodes into Matchmaking, but what do they think people will do if they can only play the same damn thing for one entire week? It also extends somewhat to PvP Playlists - if nobody wants to play something, the playlist will stay empty - so what? Merging or Deleting Game Modes should be considered when the total player count falls below 5000 people, there’s no need for it now.

This is just a principle thing, I don’t know why that gets to me so much, but I really, really hate if someone tells me stuff like "We allow you this week to do this. Nothing else. Why? Because we know better. And You better be grateful. "

From the game itself, I do miss Firefight, and I do most of all miss Invasion. It was in my opinion one of the best modes I ever played, it gave the game a focus, a purpose and diversity. Dominion is too unfocused for my taste, and it’s just the same thing over and over. I just really liked how Invasion had these stages, clear goals, and escalating warfare.

I do commend 343 for making Sprint not an ability (seriously) but something everyone can do, and I hate them for making that “Marathon” Perk for MP - I don’t know what it’s called here, but once I saw that, I had to look through everything just to make sure there was nothing like “Lightweight”, “Commando” and the Tactical Knife available, otherwise I would’ve stopped playing right then and there.

I also really would’ve wished they had integrated a “Grab the Ledge and pull yourself up” mechanic - I know, that was never in the cards, but ever since I played Halo and saw all the jumping (and the jumping, not quite reaching and falling back down, sometimes to death), I wanted to be able to jump somewhere and grab a hold, pull myself up.

Then there’s the thing with the Specializations and people stuck at SR 70 for weeks, now (not to mention that people in Europe had no way to get those without the LE). That above all showed to me that 343 completely underestimated their responsibilities towards the franchise and the players. I don’t begrudge people their pre-order bonuses, or LE bonuses - you pre-order, or pay more, you should get something for it - but the way they handled the Specializations and the SR 70 level cap was just embarrassing.

All in all, I think they made a good game, even a good Halo game, but somewhere along the way I think they forgot to distinguish between what the people want and what THEY think the people want. It’s obvious that Co-Op was never their focus (I mean, really, why would you NOT have Firefight?).
And sadly it’s just as obvious that they truly believe they know what people want better than the people themselves, cutting options, features, game-modes and so on.

One great thing about Halo (up to Reach) were the options you had, and Bungie’s willingness to give you those options and let you play with them. 343, all professed Halo Fans, probably thought they could distill the Halo Experience down to its essentials, but that in itself was the wrong thing to do, since “the Halo Experience” meant so many different things to so many different people. By streamlining it they may have made their personal “Best Halo, ever”, but it comes at the cost of limiting the customers in their options, to use an exaggeration to “force-feed” their vision of what Halo should be, and that kinda backfired - and yes, I will admit that part of the “stream-lining” of the game was most likely to attract other customers from other shooters, but most of those changes I actually like.

I really can’t blame them, though. I mean, come one, if you’re a die-hard, first-generation Halo fan, someone who is utterly convinced he knows what “The Real Halo Experience” is, and you got the chance to make a Halo game, would you not, even if only subconsciously, make the Halo you would like best, and everyone else be -Yoink!-?

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> Beautiful post OP
> BRAVO!!!..BBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAVVVVVVVVVVVVOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

There is absolutely no need for sarcasm. I did it by accident and I don’t know how to get rid of it. Please, if you are going to post please put up your own opinion, not some mindless nonsense.

H4 is terrible.

> Well, OP and everyone who agrees with him;
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> Good riddance. You can go play BO2 or some garbage and we’ll continue to play. You will not be missed. We’ll still have players, and we’ll still know the game is excellent.

It annoys me when people say stuff like this. “Go play another game” and “Just leave then”. This is a series we know and love and we want to see change. If people were going to go to another game they would have done so without going on the forums. People care about the game and want to see something done about it.

i can identify problems, but to be honest, i love halo 4, its my personal favourite, not because of mechanics but because of story and what they have done

foward unto dawn
unsc infinity
new characters
amazing graphics and look to the game
spartan ops
spartan IV’s
loadouts

it does have problems, its not perfect, but i love it
and i think people should appreciate what we have and be patient, and not be so quick to hate and judge it, its just a game, and i love to play it ;D

> The COD comparison and complaints are so played out it’s mind numbing. I come on these forums to talk about the game, the lore and for constructive criticism, but there us none, it’s the same complaints, saying 343 ruined Halo, guess what, CEA is readily available, had they kept the same game style as Combat Evolved, half the forum pages would be complaints saying 343 needs to get with the times. Is there any reason people just list their complaints without giving a solution out idea other than fix it or is every pepsin here rally just trolling. No wonder alot of devs and people that are involved with the game don’t post here they without just get flamed for 30 pages, unreal man

Actually, you’ll find that the post is full of constructive criticism and people giving their honest opinions. Nobody is just saying that they hate the game mindlessly. No one is arguing with each other so far. If you look through all of the posts everyone is respecting each others opinion, which is the way it should be. People are voicing what they believe in, not, as you say “trolling”. Yes, you are right that the “COD” argument is used a-lot, but just because an argument is used a-lot does not make it any less true, quite the opposite in fact. The reason that no devs or people involved with the game post here is because their completely out of sync with their fan base. They are, and have not been listening to the fans. Where is race? Huh?

The reason that no developers come on the forums is just because they don’t care.

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> Here’s the thing though. Every single thing about the Halo franchise was handed to 343i on a silver platter.

Not really.

> All they had to do was come up with an amazing story update graphics, and maybe tweak a thing or two. They could have had a game that everyone was satisfied with from day one.

Not really. Like I said before, it really boils down to where 343 wanted to take this franchise. They made a decision and you know what? It paid off in certain areas and not so much in others.

Could it have been better? Silly questions like that are always yes. How could it be better? Personal speculation/opinion at best.

> But no, they decided to take the winning gameplay and formula of Halo 2/3 and Yoink! all over it. All of the stuff that was changed, and added, was completely unnecessary to the series.

Firstly, they evolved the franchise into something more.

Secondly, all games need to undergo changes if they want to remain competitive in today’s market.

Lastly, what is unnecessary for you was necessary for someone else. I don’t say that like 343 predicted it, I say it because someone else does appreciate what 343 has done.

> This forum would be barren if they had stuck with what was successful from the very beginning.

lol… this argument occurred back in 2003 and I remember it like yesterday…

No, these forums would not be barren and they would be no less noisy either.

> You -Yoinking!- people keeping saying that Yoink! over and over as if it’s a good thing for core gameplay to change.

Firstly, they are just people.
Secondly, its fine if something changes.
Thirdly, core gameplay elements still remain true to what we knew, the issue here is whether players can enjoy the new stuff 343 has put in. Personally, I don’ think its possible for younger gamers to purely enjoy something without disliking or hating a single thing.

But that’s just my experience…

> H4 is terrible.

Totally agree!!!

> Can’t speak for anyone else, and won’t speak for anyone else, but…
> I’m thoroughly impressed by Halo 4. Does it have faults? Yes. But so do thousands of other games. Nothing is perfect. Perfection is a human ideal, flawed in it’s very nature. It doesn’t exist in nature, nor man-made. Everything has faults. Nothing is perfect.
> From the graphics, to the story, to the characters, to the audio, music, dialogue, voice acting, and Infinity experience, Halo 4 impressed me on all counts.
> If I had to score it, I would give it a 4.5/5.

My god, Here’s a guy who knows the industry. Most of the haters in the thread of more than likely kids or people who started playing halo as kids who want another halo game of the same crap bungie dished out over and over with new game titles and different game boxes but literally the exact game.

How many people know the Halo 4 soundtrack is the most downloaded and successful halo soundtrack ever made?

How many people know that 343 is actually a full blown MICROSOFT STUDIO developer under the 343 name?

How many people know the market that sells games is the hardcore gamer? Hence why many aspects from COD were implemented into Halo 4 as COD is the highest selling and most played game in the history of video games and the only game to outsell a COD is the following COD.

How many people know that there is a dev team that helped make every COD multiplayer who also worked with 343 for Halo 4’s multiplayer ?

Im not saying Halo 4 should be a COD wrapped in Halo paper but 343 did implement the best and most popular features from COD that made COD what it is and where it stands in the industry. Hence why Halo 4 stands second to COD as the most played game on xbox live and sold 5.9 million its first week.

Halo 4 is a masterpiece and the best halo so far and I look forward to 343 continuing their INCREDIBLE work with the Halo franchise in the next generation with Halo 5.

> Not really. Like I said before, it really boils down to where 343 wanted to take this franchise. They made a decision and you know what? It paid off in certain areas and not so much in others.

The only area I really only can see a pay off from their decisions is in the SpOps area, and that still needs improving, I’m having high hopes for the next part though.

I also really hope that they make a good TU to eliminate most problems regarding balance, map/weapon glitches and start adding stuff to custom game options and game types.

> Firstly, they evolved the franchise into something more.
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> Secondly, all games need to undergo changes if they want to remain competitive in today’s market.
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> Lastly, what is unnecessary for you was necessary for someone else. I don’t say that like 343 predicted it, I say it because someone else does appreciate what 343 has done.

I don’t see much evolution in this game, it’s more or less just a change of environmnet and an attempt at adapting to it where allready strong titles live, such as BF 3, MoH and CoD, although MoH might not be that strong. Halo 4 went sideways rather than forward and removed more than it added.

Of course all games need to undergo changes, but the changes in this case were in some areas so big and many that it was too much while in other areas they are barely worth it.

An example of a change that was too much is the introduction of random ordnances. It could have been handled differently but the way it is now is just pure chaos that destroys competitiveness.

While an example of a change barely worth it is the introduction of the Prometheans. Three new types of enemies out of which two are more or less copies of previous enemies. Knights are Elites and Crawlers are Grunts, watchers are new and somewhat unique but they barely do anything outside of performing scripted events and shield their allies, very rarely at that too.

> Firstly, they are just people.
> Secondly, its fine if something changes.
> Thirdly, core gameplay elements still remain true to what we knew, the issue here is whether players can enjoy the new stuff 343 has put in. <mark>Personally, I don’ think its possible for younger gamers to purely enjoy something without disliking or hating a single thing</mark>.
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> But that’s just my experience…

Yes, it is fine if something changes, but it doesn’t have to be a radical change that may not work. What works in one game may not work in another and I don’t see loadouts working that well. Plasma Pistols and Plasma Nades? I don’t see Random Ordnance drops promoting competition and map movement.

The core play is there, but it’s drowning in additions that makes the game too easy and drops the “usability” to a new low. The goal of the company is to generate money, and to generate money they need to have a game that as many as possible enjoy, Halo 4 has proven to be e let down in the competitive community, elite community, race community, the file share thing made a dent in the creativity community, the specialization thing have put a lot of people off from playing, why lock game content from some and not others? The silence from 343 is also irritating when no one knows if the community is being heard or not.

I’d like to call that last thing “critical thinking”, the way you describe it, if something gets in the way of someone’s enjoyment then of course that person will not like it. Or do you think younger gamers are just spoiled brats? I prefer the younger spoiled brats over the older I-accept-whatever-lands-in-my-lap people.

> How many people know the market that sells games is the hardcore gamer? Hence why many aspects from COD were implemented into Halo 4 as COD is the highest selling and most played game in the history of video games and the only game to outsell a COD is the following COD.

LoL is the most succesful competitive game today, let’s put in features from that. Apparently that’s how things work to make something succesful, adding features from other popular games.

> Im not saying Halo 4 should be a COD wrapped in Halo paper but 343 did implement the best and most popular features from COD that made COD what it is and where it stands in the industry. Hence why Halo 4 stands second to COD as the most played game on xbox live and sold 5.9 million its first week.

So in other words Halo went from being innovative to being imitative. It went from being the number one different game to being product number four in a row of similair games, BF, CoD and MoH.

Adding stuff from other games just because it’s popular is never the answer, and I doubt it’s number two on the XBL charts thanks to CoD features, because those who want to play CoD, will play the real CoD, not a hybrid.

It’s only number two because there haven’t been any bigger game launches since BO2. Halo 4 is just number two because it’s the second last big title to be released.

> Halo 4 is a masterpiece and the best halo so far and I look forward to 343 continuing their INCREDIBLE work with the Halo franchise in the next generation with Halo 5.

Halo 4 is just another game for mass consumption, the game took too much from other games and wasn’t innovative enough.

And I really hope that 343 realises the potential Halo 4 had and changes their path for Halo 5.

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> The COD comparison and complaints are so played out it’s mind numbing. I come on these forums to talk about the game, the lore and for constructive criticism, but there us none, it’s the same complaints, saying 343 ruined Halo, guess what, CEA is readily available, had they kept the same game style as Combat Evolved, half the forum pages would be complaints saying 343 needs to get with the times. Is there any reason people just list their complaints without giving a solution out idea other than fix it or is every pepsin here rally just trolling. No wonder alot of devs and people that are involved with the game don’t post here they without just get flamed for 30 pages, unreal man

A brainless fanboy! ^^^

I was about to reply to the other posts from Hellfire and Sgt M Fenix but you did it for me. You said absolutely everything I was about to say and you made your points well. I tip my hat to you sir Naqser.

mostly everybody i play halo with is done with the series after this game. i hate it with a passion.

the only good thing about the game was the opening cutscene, from there it went all down hill with way to much crap taken from star wars.

selling 6 million copies, 4 million alone in the U.S. and only having a peak of < or = to 150,000 people playing is horrible.

many people have moved on and its going to take one hell of a TU to bring people back and i don’t think 343 can pull it off.

> mostly everybody i play halo with is done with the series after this game. i hate it with a passion.
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> the only good thing about the game was the opening cutscene, from there it went all down hill with way to much crap taken from star wars.
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> selling 6 million copies, 4 million alone in the U.S. and only having a peak of < or = to 150,000 people playing is horrible.
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> many people have moved on and its going to take one hell of a TU to bring people back and i don’t think 343 can pull it off.

Agreed I have 54 friends and half of them played halo 3 when halo was out same goes for reach and now they stopped playing halo. Most of them because of halo 4. Only like 5 friends of mine play halo 4 and I’m one of them! I play COD to.

The only way they can save halo is making halo 5 and 6 more like halo 1-2-3 classic arena style gameplay shooter which is not “codified” or like reach or a “codified reach”. It also has to be unique and only add a few things which change the gmaeplay alot e.g forge, dual wielding and equipment. Not loadouts or AA’s or tactical packages and other yoink!. That’s straying to far from the core halo formula. Not to mention halo 5 needs quality memorable maps. 343I NEED TO REALISE THIS!!!

I agree with the OP 100%, I went to the midnight release, bought all of the Halo 4 figures and more. It was fun the first few days, but just went downhill. Now I’m playing Halo 3, Reach, and minecraft

> The only way they can save halo is making halo 5 and 6 more like halo 1-2-3 classic arena style gameplay shooter which is not “codified” or like reach or a “codified reach”. It also has to be unique and only add a few things which change the gmaeplay alot e.g forge, dual wielding and equipment. Not loadouts or AA’s or tactical packages and other yoink!. That’s straying to far from the core halo formula. Not to mention halo 5 needs quality memorable maps. 343I NEED TO REALISE THIS!!!

I agree with all of what you said 100 percent except for the armor abilities. I thought they worked in Halo Reach because you can always disable them, and most people used ‘sprint’ online anyway. It doesn’t work in Halo 4 because of the load outs. It would be nice If you could remove sprint also for custom games in halo 4.

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Perfect example right here, I like the game I’m a fanboy I don’t like it I’m a hater or whatever.
CoD got old to me because it was the same thing over and over, I think if you look at all Halos across the board, they always change, and always have one or two significant changes that are important, out of all of them 4 had the biggest change up, some people don’t like it, but everyone isn’t going to like everything, I don’t get the complaint about loadouts, I think each weapon has it’s purpose and fits in well for the most part, id like to see the BR have better range for example, and the pistol to be a little less powerful, maybe add another shot for a kill, but other than that no major gripes.
Some people like Spartan ops, some don’t, exactly how firefight was received, only Spartan ops had a story behind it so in my opinion it’s better.
I do wish that you could go in there mode with multiple players.
Rankings aren’t that important to me, while I liked having a high rank in Halo 3, it didn’t mean I was better than every lower rank and worse than every higher rank. Personally I think it’s harder to rank because what if someone does well just by benefiting from great ordinance, and being at the right places for vehicle spawn, while another player has to work just as hard for a similar score, there’s no way to account for that.
I’m not a fan of the betrayal boot system, that’s probably the only thing that bugs me

> Oh, sorry for the late reply.
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> Here’s some copy pasta:
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> What do you mean “the next Halo”? Who is Black Tusk Studios? Those might be some of the questions you’re asking right now. But, all will be told soon! A branch of Microsoft, Microsoft Vancouver, has recently changed their name to Black Tusk Studios. Their first project is to create the “next Halo”. What that means is that Microsoft has given them the task of creating their next big entertainment franchise. Microsoft is heavily investing into helping Black Tusk build from the ground up. While there is no news on the franchise, we do have a little information about the studio itself. The studio consists of fifty-five members. One of them being former EA man, Mike Crump, who is Black Tusk’s studio manager. All members of Black Tusk have experience in dealing with and building AAA titles. While we do know very little about them, it seems like whatever Black Tusk Studios is working on, it might be a good idea to keep an eye on them.
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> If you want, just Google ‘black tusk studios halo’, you’ll get a bunch of stuff on it.
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> It’s Microsoft realizing that Halo is infact dying and getting ready to replace it as their flag-ship game.

How is that getting ready to dump Halo? That’s just MS trying to add another game series to be associated with the Xbox the same way we now think Halo or Gears of War when we hear Xbox.

> Thanks for your opinions. For the record, I and most people in this thread (and possibly the forums) disagree.

He he he…

Just going to make a recommendation. Don’t speak for others. I’ve been reading this thread and many of the responses I could very easily rebuttal and disprove.

I choose not to, but don’t push your luck on that. Because I will go back and respond to every message which chooses to disagree. The opinions is perfectly fine, choosing to say why 343 did something is not. Like I said, it is easily rebuked through logic.

Not saying people aren’t entitled to their opinions, but if you intend to bring stuff like this up, try and imagine it from other players points of view.