Halo 4 - Did 343 let us down?

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> 343 only let you down if you had completely unrealistic sky high expectations.
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> > NO!
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> > slaps, grabs head and turn towards Halo 4 box
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> > LOOK! LOOK AT HALO 4 AND STOP COMPARING IT TO OTHER SERIES OTHER THAN IT! STOP USING THE EXCUSE THAT “OTHER GAMES ARE BAD, TOO!”
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> > IS IT A GOOD GAME OR NOT?
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> Lord I dislike colored text.
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> To answer your question: Yes it is.

Not by popular opinion!(barely even a Christmas Spike in the charts)
Halo 4 is a dissapointment - for the most part.

Obviously there are some people who like it, but Halo 4 is no where near a comeback for Halo, and it will perish if nothing is done.

Now to “answer” that, no. Nothing will be done. 343i just wants a carbon Call of Duty copy to bring in money, only to be dumped for the new Call of Duty a couple weeks later.

Halo will just keep being dragged through the mud for a few more years.

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I dont think they let us down, they gave us more Halo games to play. MS could have easily ended halo forever. Instead, they built a dev studio from the ground up. I do feel however, that too many subcontractors have their hands in the pot. You have 343i, Certain Affinity, Axis Animation, Salavas Audio, Giant Studios and Cubic Motion all working towards a common goal and it appears that certain groups didnt meet their deadlines by the time the game went gold. Its good and bad for us as gamers.

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I feel a sense of disappointment when I start Halo 4. In my opinion, I liked the campaign, the prometheans turned out to be a great innovation. But that is the only aspect of the game I am satisfied with.
The thing I loved the most about Halo multiplayer is BTB, vehicle battles in huge and open maps(Hemorrhage is my favourite one). Particularly, I enjoyed using the Warthog. What have I found in Halo 4?
That this BTB no longer exits, that the Warthog is dead, no Falcon, no Hornet either, I cannot play ‘Speed Halo’ in customs and that my Forge World has been removed.
What I’ve found is that Halo 4 is a Halo-CoD mix designed to bring CoD players to this franchise, forgetting the loyal population of this franchise. Infinity slayer is the perfect example.
It hurts me, but this is the truth: 343 has betrayed Halo and us.

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You can’t say Halo 4 is a bad game. However, there are some pretty major changes that need to be made. When finished the first two campaign missions I thought the game was amazing. But it honestly wasn’t I can’t even remember the final mission. What I do remember is the Halo 3 and Reach campaign finals missions. I finished those years ago. Come on, you guys had a clean slate. Most of the campaign was just, run here activate a button. good now there’s two more to activate can’t wait. Plain boring. It is just sad to see such an amazing series of games slowly go downhill. Where is Bungie we miss you. Compared to other Halo’s in the past Reach and 3 have blown this game away. I actually go back and play Reach over Halo 4. 343 you may have let us down but trust me if you listen to the community the next Halo will be amazing, just take your time like Bungie. They spent years on their games, don’t rush your games like CoD you don’t need to release a game every year. Plus that community likes to spend time on the game. Also the armor is too detailed all the armor looks kind of the same during multiplayer. Keep it simple that means make the armor bolder less detail. What were you thinking when you didn’t add UNSC flying vehicles. The game feels too much like CoD. So yes 343 you let me down, but since it’s Halo I’ll give you another chance. Please don’t let me down again you can still make a come back in Halo 5, just listen to the community.

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> I dont think they let us down, they gave us more Halo games to play. MS could have easily ended halo forever. Instead, they built a dev studio from the ground up. I do feel however, that too many subcontractors have their hands in the pot. You have 343i, Certain Affinity, Axis Animation, Salavas Audio, Giant Studios and Cubic Motion all working towards a common goal and it appears that certain groups didnt meet their deadlines by the time the game went gold. Its good and bad for us as gamers.

MS only continued Halo in order to milk a couple million more bucks out of it.
They’ve already made plans to replace it.

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> Not by popular opinion!(barely even a Christams Spike in the charts)
> Halo 4 is a dissapointment - for the most part.

“THE POPULATION IS LOW! PEOPLE HATE THE GAME!”

Why people are still making this statement is astounding. You can not deduce why they stopped playing the game. You can only assume. And you’re not even taking into account all other potential variables, you’re implying that everyone who stopped played, stopped because they hated the game.

This is like me going to a department store at 7:55 PM, seeing loads of people leaving, and concluding that the store is terrible.

It’s ridiculous.

> Now to “answer” that, no. Nothing will be done. 343i just wants a carbon Call of Duty copy to bring in money, only to be dumped for the new Call of Duty a couple weeks later.
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> Halo will just keep being dragged through the mud for a few more years.

So leave.

Because you know what speaks louder than the forums? Everyone not buying the game.

If Halo copying the CoD formula isn’t popular, 343 won’t chase it. And if you and those who side with you were a minority, like you said, you won’t ever be getting the game you want back.

So why keep playing something you hate?

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While your introduction is ok, the fact is, get rid of the entitlement because of dedication notion and you’ll get some more respect then if you did things like you did.

> Here are a list of problems I, and my friends found with the campaign:
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> The Soundtrack - Now, I have to admit, I think that 343 have an absolutely amazing game soundtrack. However, you simply cannot compare it to the likes of the Halo 2 and Halo 3 soundtrack (The latter being my personal favorite.) It completely destroys the atmosphere when the music is too soft. It needs to be loud and almost ‘in-your face’ about it, it has to take you on a journey like a wave just like how it was with previous Halo Titles.

Thanks for your opinion. I think the game and its soundtrack use was perfectly fitting.

> Repetitive Gameplay - The Halo 4 campaign was not an experience you would remember. The campaign was essentially running from USB port to USB port there was no challenge for the gamer as you could easily just speed run every single level. (Excluding the Broadsword mission.) Long parts of missions were also just running back and forth and shooting people on the way. To put it bluntly, the campaign was just boring.

Thanks for your opinion. I personally disagree.

> In conclusion, the Halo 4 campaign experience was a major let down, the only the the campaign really had going for it was some of the cut-scenes and the graffix but to be honest, people play the campaign for the story not how it looks, I mean come on we’re not Call Of Duty here are we?

lol. Again someone uses the COD argument like that actually means something.

Thanks for your opinion again, but honestly, I can’t agree to any of it so far.

> Oh wait, that’s exactly what has happened. When developing the game 343 had a look at what was popular, what made the most money and what attracted most fans. Take a guess what game they looked at. 343 ruined the classic Halo online multiplayer experience. There are an alarming number of ways in which 343 attempted to build a successful game by mimicking COD.

I don’t say this for any other reason then you need to hear it:

You really need to read this

Yes, that is an old Halo 2 Thread which got preserved back in 2004. Look, just quit the whining about everything and go shoot your best friend in the head. This is not COD, will never be COD, and could never be COD. They are features which Halo previously didn’t utilize. you expect a franchise to evolve and grow not by keeping things the same or by manipulating other elements, but by looking at what is successful, which could be a feature or two from ANY game.

Get with the program please. Thanks.

> 1) Loadouts
> 2) Grenade indicators
> 3) Killcam
> 4) Ordinance drops, comparable to kill-streaks
> 5) Point system, instead of kill number
> 6) Spartan Ops, comparable to Spec Ops
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> These are, but to name a few of the ways in which 343 ruined Halo 4 multiplayer and if you don’t believe that they copied COD then you are just delusional. The game doesn’t even feel like Halo anymore. Halo used to be the one FPS that was different from the others. It stood out among the likes of “Battlefield”,“COD” and “Medal Of Honor”. It has now fallen into the same category as these games and is merely using the same ‘copy and paste’ formula that these games use. The multiplayer is way too fast-paced. In previous Halo titles you use to be able to have a plan and use strategy to out-wit your opponents. Now however, it is just a ‘run and gun’ game, no plan, no thought.

Almost completely disagree. Almost. But then again, you sound like a youthful person, so its expected for you to react like this. No worries, you’ll see things differently when you get older (25+ roughly).

> Among all of these problems there are even more. The armor is dreadful and with all of the detail they tried putting in they made all of the armor look ridiculous and cartoon-like. I know I’m not alone when I say that I’m annoyed that there is no human aerial vehicles. The only reason they don’t have them in the game is just so that they actually have something to put into Halo 5. Basically, its like given candy to a child taking it away from them so they want it even more and then give it back to them.

You do realize how ill-suited that example is right? As for the armors, I personally don’t care. It’s an aesthetic thing I don’t really mind.

> It is almost like 343 don’t even care about their fans. On the opening week there were constant server crashes. The file-browser still continues not to work to this day and they have basically spat on both the racing and competitive community by not having any race gametype and no ranked playlists what-so-ever. It doesn’t matter if they say that they are going to fix this because this is stuff that should have been there from day 1.

Why? Why should it have been in from day 1? What constitutes a universally accepted competitive playlist, map, or otherwise? What is the recommended kill time differences? You do realize how insane this all sounds right? Look, I agree file browser, custom game options, and a few other things could have been included, but that they are absolutely necessary? No.

> Although I enjoy the story of Spartan Ops, there is no doubt that it is not only a complete copy from the “Call Of Duty” ‘Spec Ops’ but it is a bad replacement for firefight. Spartan Ops completely lacks replayability and is boring as it offers no real challenge for the player.

Go play the missions on Legendary, without friends and tell me you don’t find it difficult. Afterwards, try and do it under weapon restrictions like ONLY using forerunner or covenant weapons. It has replayability.

> The maps are awful also, its no wonder that when you go into ‘Big Team’ people always vote for Ragnarok. Its because 343 didn’t even design the map!
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> In conclusion, 343 have been handed a series which we all know and love and they have let us down. We put our trust in them and they let us down. They’ve taken what was once the best series of games for a console and flushed it down the toilet. Now, you’re going to have people saying that “You have to move on” and “Get with the times”. This is immature and childish. You don’t just take a franchise that people have played and loved for over 10 years and just change it because you wont your own name on it. That is exactly what 343 have done and I can say I feel nothing but disappointment and a sense of shame that we have gone so low.

Thanks for your opinions. For the record, I disagree.

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> > I dont think they let us down, they gave us more Halo games to play. MS could have easily ended halo forever. Instead, they built a dev studio from the ground up. I do feel however, that too many subcontractors have their hands in the pot. You have 343i, Certain Affinity, Axis Animation, Salavas Audio, Giant Studios and Cubic Motion all working towards a common goal and it appears that certain groups didnt meet their deadlines by the time the game went gold. Its good and bad for us as gamers.
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> MS only continued Halo in order to milk a couple million more bucks out of it.
> They’ve already made plans to replace it.

Really, link to said info that they would replace Halo. I dont believe MS would rid themselves of their flagship game.

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They shipped an unfinished game. Totally unacceptable.
I know all games have they’re problems when released but there’s way too many in H4.
One of the biggest for me is the file browser such a massive feature and it’s pretty much useless ATM.

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Agreed.

I don’t like halo 4. It’s not a terrible game, but it’s not a good one either, a hollow shell of the Halo universe with the cream filling removed and replaced with something bland and tasteless.

It reminds you of Halo, but it’s not Halo. Nothing is “improved”, it’s just different, and there’s a great deal less of it too. The Prometheans are terrible enemies, not at all fun to fight. Their weapons are boring and uninteresting, and the game’s campaign FORCES them on you. The music is forgettable at best, you can mute it and not notice a difference. The new design ethic feels like it doesn’t even belong in the same evolutionary tree as Halo, especially the new Spartan IVs and Marine BDUs. The new multiplayer format, why try to be like Call of Duty; Halo was distinct, this is just depressing. Spartan OPs makes me miss Firefight, which I originally didn’t care for in the first place, but at least Firefight mixes it up a bit instead of throwing the same mission and recycled audio back at you. Worst of all the fireshare is STILL broken 2 months after release.

It also doesn’t feel worth the asking price. Content-wise it lines up more with ODST than Reach or even 3.

Again, I won’t say it’s a terrible game, it’s just not a good one, and what irritates me is that this is what we’re getting now instead of real Halo.

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I can only speak for myself, but no, I don’t think 343 let us down. I really enjoy Halo 4 and have found it to be a return to the Halo feel after the horror that was called Reach. I really like the campaign, I enjoy the multiplayer, and I greatly enjoy Spartan Ops. Do I have problems with it? Sure, I would prefer the Mantis taken out of multiplayer, but for the most part my complaints are just glitches and such that I can overlook due to the fact that this is 343’s very first game. I’ll cut them some slack for not having a glitch-free, perfectly polished game.

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Halo 4 is halo 3’s team rockets on valhalla…only worse.

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No they didn’t. -Yoink!- Ruined the entire series because the game is no longer developed by an independent industry like Bungie was so -Yoink!-(Being the cheating -Yoinks!- that they are) made the game just get a bunch of money out of it.

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Speak for yourself, 343 didnt let me down I like it even though it isnt perfect

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> > Not by popular opinion!(barely even a Christams Spike in the charts)
> > Halo 4 is a dissapointment - for the most part.
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> “THE POPULATION IS LOW! PEOPLE HATE THE GAME!”
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> Why people are still making this statement is astounding. You can not deduce why they stopped playing the game. You can only assume. And you’re not even taking into account all other potential variables, you’re implying that everyone who stopped played, stopped because they hated the game.
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> This is like me going to a department store at 7:55 PM, seeing loads of people leaving, and concluding that the store is terrible.
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> It’s ridiculous.
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> > Now to “answer” that, no. Nothing will be done. 343i just wants a carbon Call of Duty copy to bring in money, only to be dumped for the new Call of Duty a couple weeks later.
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> > Halo will just keep being dragged through the mud for a few more years.
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> So leave.
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> Because you know what speaks louder than the forums? Everyone not buying the game.
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> If Halo copying the CoD formula isn’t popular, 343 won’t chase it. And if you and those who side with you were a minority, like you said, you won’t ever be getting the game you want back.
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> So why keep playing something you hate?

Low population = Low popularity. That, or it’s just under-rated.
And no, halo is not under-rated.
It was very popular at a point, and still gets alot of buzz pre-release, but people still decide to drop it not long after release, so the low population = low popularity.

To say that 300, 000 Halo 4 players all coincidently has something to do for 2 months, a week after launch is just absurd.

And actually, I might stop playing Halo. It’s ruined.
Were all here on the forums making thread after thread, and it feels like we’re not being heard.

Even the Campaign has been Hollywood-ified.
Lame emotional drama, Cartoonish villians, Cookie-cut characters (just a few), and I’m pretty sure I heard some Star Wars like trumpet music here and there.

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i agree with you 100%. in my forum i have stated alot of what you have said aswell, and 343 needs to know this. if they countinue on this path, its only gonna make a lot of people not like thewm and they will be know as the fall of halo.

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Don’t get me wrong there is a lot I love about this game probably more so then the issues I have with it.
But going back to the file browser issue I was reading the bulletin (I think) yesterday and It said something about file browser and how they have done it diff to past halos and this has caused a problem and said problem is taking longer to sort then expected. As soon as its at shipping quality they will patch it or whatever.
My point is a feature like that should be at shipping quality the day of release.

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Community, 343 has betrayed us…

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All Halo games have received their fair share of criticism.

There’s nothing wrong with wanting to change things to suit your vision of the game, but please realize that all games are not created with the needs of the one in mind. There are more gamers now than ever, each possessing their own wants and desires, with opinions as diverse as the community itself. No one opinion is greater or lesser than the other. Catering to such a wealth of diversity is a monumental task, if not an impossible one.

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The last Halo game i throughly enjoyed was the 1st Halo game i played which was Halo 3. Halo ODST was originally meant to be DLC for Halo 3 so therefore i do not count that as a true Halo game. Halo Reach was absolutely garbage, It was made slightly better when they took off armour lock in some game types and added arena but still by far the worst in the series.

Halo 4 although an improvement on Halo Reach still doesn’t have that same classic feel that Halo 3 had. The campaign is shorter and feels more rushed. The weapons in multiplayer lack personality and have that kind of generic feel to it (worst culprit for this is the DMR). The maps are nowhere near as memorable or good as the Halo 3 Maps, (Guardian and Construct being my favs). Overall the game though still have some elements resembling Halo, feels like a totally different game. It’s like they took Halo 3 and gave it botox, plastic surgery and a fake tan giving the game a less genuine feel that i got when playing Halo 3.

Halo 4 to me feels like they tried to recreate the best elements of Halo but rushed it to the extent that it’s just like CoD in more ways than 1, both have very nice graphics but just like that good looking girl at the office both are very very shallow in what they offer in regards to gameplay depth and storyline structure and longevity.