Please 343i these are the two features that will kill ranked gameplay game. Armour abilties you can adapt too, these two features you cannot.
Bloom needs to be standardized across all playlists, it is so frustrating coming out of a game of MLG or arena and going to play slayer and having remember to shoot half as fast. It slows down the game and makes luck a big factor. The reason it was added in was to keep the game balacned, that what having ranked playlists are for. The better players play in the ranked playlist and the social in the social playlist.
If you really want a realistic feature in the game, have recoil. Recoil is controllable and doesn’t cause the above, where someone who is obviously better is getting unlucky.
Join in progress, Its abit of a wild card, but could work in social.
If it were implemented then people who didn’t start in a game should not have there stats recorded as they could start on the winning/losing team or you could have people just hopping lobbying looking for power weapons to KD boost with, then quit again.
However the problem with not recording stats of late starters, trolls could just join and commit suicide heaps to ruin the game for the starters. Or friends could purposefully feed their friends who did start kills.
Because of this it should only be implemented in social play (I don’t think its a bad thing for social) but the quit ban(of if not a quit ban, penalty xp) should still be present to stop people from the, meh I don’t like this map/ didn’t get this weapon attitude.
Ok so I liked the idea of bloom in reach, it added a little more skill into halo by making us time our shoots, but the fact that spammers won majority of the time ruined it. If 343 fix it so that spamming loses then I will gladly welcome it back with open arms.
I’m torn on the decision of JIP. The good things from it is we don’t have to suffer from early quitters and that people can easily join to even the playing field. But on the other hand I don’t want to join a game that’s almost finished or a match that has no hope of turning around. I’m also not sure about how people being booted will be handled, like if they are allowed to simply rejoin again back on your team and just annoiy the hell out of you. I also am curious to know if trolls are allowed to simply join a game commit suicide hundreds of times to get the score down then leave.
I believe they already mentioned they were using recoil rather than bloom.
If there are ranked playlists, I’m pretty sure join in progress won’t be there since that would be dumb. Social playlists are supposed to be for fun, shouldn’t be panicking about your super kd numbers, don’t really care what they do with stats. Join in progress sounds fine. Tons of games use it and it works well, though to make the experience smoother they should relax the frequency of host changes. It’d suck if each time somebody new joined the game stopped to switch hosts.
Bloom is crap. I’ve watched videos from my perspective where I take three shots with the reticle in the middle of the other players face, and the bullets alternate which side misses. If I am talented enough to keep the reticle on his face while we are both strafing, why should I be lose to fight if he just shoots me in the stomach three times? I guess it could have been host, but three times? I feel that guys pain in that video.
But I’m not worried, Like the player above said, they aren’t dumb enough to put it in! And… if they do, Halo has lost all hope.
As you said, JIP is only good for social matches. It’ll keep the games fast and will make BTB WAYYYYYYYYY better. There’s nothing worse than playing on a massive map with 8 on 2.
But for ranked playlists, if people quit, it’s over. That’s how it should be. It’ll keep the games meaningful. However, if someone does quit, they should be SEVERELY penalized. On the other hand, you shouldn’t be penalized if you quit a social if people will be joining RIGHT away.
You can put Join In Progress into Social, but if it is going to appear on launch day in the Ranked/Competitive playlists you can rest assured there will be a lot of players (myself included) who will not preorder.
Bloom should go away permanently and forever. 343 should kill it with fire. If you want to limit how fast someone can be killed do it through rate of fire like the existing Sniper Rifle (no bloom, just limited rate of fire).
I really hope Halo 4 brings this magic back, it was so dead in Reach. My hopes are high for Halo 4, it looks like a game where we will find all the old pros screaming with excitement again, Halo 4’s core game-play looks so much like a Halo 2 and 3 hybrid, Halo 2’s jump height and 3’s movement speed, with some new additions. I cannot wait for Halo 4, I hope we see gameplay at this level again.
> > > I believe they already mentioned they were using recoil rather than bloom.
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> > The BR is using recoil. While the DMR is using bloom.
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> yes and the apparently the dmr bloom is only a visual effect like the sniper rifle, plus the dmr has a slower fixed rate of fire now
Ok then. Bloom shouldn’t deterring factor for the OP anymore.
As for JIP, I think that the JIP should only be for the social playlist and only able to be done from joining a friend’s party game or when the game is in the stage of 1-3 minutes of starting. Once that has set, the game should be closed to other players.
> > > I believe they already mentioned they were using recoil rather than bloom.
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> > The BR is using recoil. While the DMR is using bloom.
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> yes and the apparently the dmr bloom is only a visual effect like the sniper rifle, plus the dmr has a slower fixed rate of fire now
Sounds pretty good, hopefully it will reset quickly, so there no bloom for anyone who isn’t pulling the trigger as fast as they can.
> > Ok then. Bloom shouldn’t deterring factor for the OP anymore.
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> That seems to be what washly is saying in his videos about halo 4.
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> Seems pretty good
You’re missing a don’t care option. I will adapt to the JIP. I personally don’t have an issue with it. Also I already know how to compensate for bloom.
Bloom appears to be used to keep the Magnum and the Assault Rifle from doing their job effectively over a long distance. The BR has no bloom, and the DMR seems to use the old reticle to indicate when its time to shoot again.
I want them in for at least the AR and the Magnum, and their covie and (possibly) forerunner equivilant so that others know when to let go of the trigger and let the gun regain its accuracy. With the addition of the hit markers, they can use both of them to learn why their gun is not hitting the target.
For Join-in-Progress, there’s no downside for it in Social. There, it’s meant for fun, or to practice, and that feature just keeps the matches populated. Get frustrated in Ranks when they quit or D/C. Keep the frustration down in Social so people can enjoy the game. Hell, I think this feature was needed years ago. Better late than never I guess.
As for Ranked, I don’t see it working well. And if 343 does plan on using it there, they should give a reason as to why they think this can work.
Join in Progress is a must have, Halo games have been so boring to play since you’ll end up loosing due to loosing teammates, lols. And when you want to join a friend, you can’t, that’s just bad. For social at least, JIP is a must for any FPS.
Bloom is different, if bloom is done wrong (see Reach) it can really ruin the game, however many other games use bloom to visualise the bullet spread and it works just fine (Homefront, BF etc).
However, bloom is mostly used for automatics for a reason, weapons where precision isn’t necessary. On the other hand, if both DMR and BR had recoil they might act to similar, and one would have to be removed or changed, and since 343i likes em both, not to mention DMR introduced the “new Halo bloom”, it should keep it for better or worse
I don’t want bloom, but I could live with it. Since it was in Reach, I’m kinda used to it now, so I don’t really care. As for JIP, I really don’t want this. The only place this could be acceptable is in Social playlists, if 343 does separate Ranked and Social playlists in Halo 4. So, I’d rather not have bloom, but definitely don’t want JIP.
