Halo 4 and Primordium connections (SPOILERS)

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So, I don’t see a truly comprehensive thread addressing this, especially since the Halo 4 trailer came out yesterday. I just finished reading Halo: Primordium, and the implications at the end are astounding, with a great deal of hints towards the premise of Halo 4. I simply wanted to state my thoughts and theories and allow others to bounce ideas around.

WARNING: IF YOU HAVE NOT READ PRIMORDIUM, CLOSE THIS WINDOW. YOU WILL WANT TO READ IT FIRST. TRUST ME.
NO, REALLY. READ. IT.

Ok, so I don’t plan to put half a bloody encyclopedia into my first post. I’ll simply put my first thoughts and let things go from there.

  1. At the end of Primordium, it’s revealed that Chakas’ monitor is the same as that of 343 Guilty Spark, however they are not the same person. Now, they’re obviously on a ship, which he subsequently takes control of. The obvious answer is the UNSC Infinity, and while I’m hesitant to pick the obvious choice, it makes the most sense in my mind. He takes control of the Infinity, and takes it to the same world where John-117 and Cortana crashed. And it would certainly explain the Captain’s distress call referring to “an unknown enemy siezing control of the ship”, but then, maybe not. It could fit either way.
    Which brings up another interesting question:

How did the Chief and Cortana just “happen” to conveniently stumble upon that world? There’s a plethora of answers, and will likely be a similar scenario to how Cortana, almost as an afterthought, used the forerunner glyph-coordinates to “random” jump to the Halo rings.

  1. Chakas/343/whatever you jolly well want to call him, obviously is searching for the Librarian, and the last words of Primordium are “I know where to find her.” Now, that brings out a butt-ton of theories, as supposedly she was dead, having lived out the rest of her life on Mt. Kilimanjaro until the rings fired. How is she still alive? An imprint? Managing to escape to a shield world? Who knows? And if the ship 343 took over IS the Infinity, then wouldn’t that mean that the Librarian is on that world?

  2. And finally, the big question: who’s the antagonist? Or, more specifically, what is the “ancient evil” that awakes, and whose voice says “I have long dreamed of this day, Reclaimer.”? The most popular answer is Didact, as the symbol in the trailer is very close to his own glyph. I’ve seen some people claim it’s the Master Builder, which I find to be a very long stretch, although not impossible. Supposedly, he died on Installation 07.

PS: Oh, and just for fun. About the planet itself. According to Requiem | Halo Alpha | Fandom , 343 Industries called in a Dyson Sphere, which it actually does not appear to be a true Dyson Sphere. A Dyson Sphere is a hollow sphere with a star in the middle, while this, which can be clearly seen at the end of the Infinity trailer when Infinity is being sucked in, has a surface at the center, not the inner shell. At least, I believe that it’s a planet surrounded by a spherical shell.

That’s all I’ve got to say for now. Let the discussion commence!!

For reference purposes, here’s the link to the new Infinity trailer followed by the E3 gameplay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N-CRrP9xjQ

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Two thoughts i beleive its not a conicdnce Chief was sent to Requiem i beleive he was sent there by Medicant Bias I’m not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions. But I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example."

So i believe that MC was sent there to meet with the Didact to do something.

Secondly i think that the Didact is not in control of those machines that big orb shaped thing is which i believe may be Precursor in origin.

Last but not least when the Big orb passes the chief Cortana says I wonder where he is going how dose she know what that orb is and that its a he inside.

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It can’t be the Infinity in Primordium because he had put the entire crew to sleep before stealing it. In the trailer everyone is awake and casually doing stuff. Things don’t go crazy until they’re scanned by the Planet and the upside down Didact symbol appears on their computer screens.

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Chakas and 343 GS are not the same person.

>.<

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> Two thoughts i beleive its not a conicdnce Chief was sent to Requiem i beleive he was sent there by Medicant Bias I’m not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions. But I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example."
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> So i believe that MC was sent there to meet with the Didact to do something.
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> Secondly i think that the Didact is not in control of those machines that big orb shaped thing is which i believe may be Precursor in origin.
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> Last but not least when the Big orb passes the chief Cortana says I wonder where he is going how dose she know what that orb is and that its a he inside.

Yeah, I haven’t yet had the chance to play Halo: Anniversary, and didn’t want to read the terminals beforehand, as it feels like cheating to me. But that is a sound theory that I heard before. It makes sense.

And as for Cortana referring to the orb as “he” I caught that the first time I watched it. It’s obvious they had a run-in with ‘him’ before the part shown at E3. Personally, I’m not past suggesting the Didact is the bad guy. My main reasoning being a direct quote from Halo: Primordium.

> “The Didact was far from done with me, and I was far from done with the horrors of the wheel. It was the Didact, finally, who betrayed us all. He did it gently, but even so, it brought pain.”

Now, that may just be referring to Didact putting him inside the monitor, but I found it to have a more ominous meaning.

> Chakas and 343 GS are not the same person.
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> >.<

I know they aren’t, but technically the 343 we know and love/hate has no official name, as 343 is relatively speaking the name of the physical monitor. Plus, when he hacks into the ship’s AI and talks about finding the Librarian, it’s very obvious that it’s Chakas speaking, not the ‘original’ 343 Guilty Spark. And the transcript in the book refers to him in that segment as “Guilty Spark”.

> It can’t be the Infinity in Primordium because he had put the entire crew to sleep before stealing it. In the trailer everyone is awake and casually doing stuff. Things don’t go crazy until they’re scanned by the Planet and the upside down Didact symbol appears on their computer screens.

Fair enough. It hadn’t got unnoticed by me. I suppose the prospect of it being a different ship would allow for some extra wiggle room for the next two games. Since, quite obviously, Guilty Spark searching for the Librarian has the potential to become a rather extensive side plot.

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> ow did the Chief and Cortana just “happen” to conveniently stumble upon that world? There’s a plethora of answers, and will likely be a similar scenario to how Cortana, almost as an afterthought, used the forerunner glyph-coordinates to “random” jump to the Halo rings.

Please refer to Halo 3’s final terminal on Legendary. :wink:

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Great post, UTN Commando. I can’t believe I hadn’t thought that Chakas/343 took control of the Infinity, but that makes a lot of sense.

I can’t help thinking that given how open Frankie O’Connor has been about respecting the book canon in this game, the Didact just won’t be an antagonist or enemy - at least, not for long. It’s much more likely he and the Chief will align their interests to fight the greater enemy - my best guess, the Precursors.

Wouldn’t be surprised if their efforts were undermined by the Builders/a Builder at some stage, and I think the Didact/343 have brought the Infinity to Requiem for re-enforcements. I think their intentions are friendly, or at the least not hostile.

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The first time I saw the Infinity in the concept art I thought thats the ship the monitor from Primordium had taken over. Now after seeing the events of the latest trailers I think the monitor has taken over K5’s “spy ship” not the Infinity.

The connection between the Infinity and the events in Primordium are to easy to match up I agree. I expected to see members from Kilo Five in the live action trailer but other than Del Rio the other main characters the camera conveniently did not show the names on the uniforms. Plus the way the monitor had ceased the ship differs from how the Infinty lost control. Still putting all this information together, I also wonder if Telcam has defeated Thel Vadam?

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> I know they aren’t, but technically the 343 we know and love/hate has no official name, as 343 is relatively speaking the name of the physical monitor.

343 Guilty Spark’s name is 343 Guilty Spark. That IS his official name.

> Plus, when he hacks into the ship’s AI and talks about finding the Librarian, it’s very obvious that it’s Chakas speaking, not the ‘original’ 343 Guilty Spark. <mark>And the transcript in the book refers to him in that segment as “Guilty Spark”</mark>.

Because the interrogation by the ONI agents labelled it as Guilty Spark. They did it to make their project look better for the higher ups in charge. If I label the audio of a speech made by Guy X but call him Guy Y, then whatever plays it back will identify as Guy Y.

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It is Chakas clearly you haven’t read the book if you think otherwise.

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> Great post, UTN Commando. I can’t believe I hadn’t thought that Chakas/343 took control of the Infinity, but that makes a lot of sense.

Thanks. I started this thread with the intent of logical and intellectual discussion and theorizing of Halo 4, and so far I’ve acccomplished it. I’ve been becoming increasingly disgusted by all the people who have various shallow opinions on why Halo is great or horrible, but have no real appreciation for the depth that’s been built into the story and the universe. I’ve said before to a friend that the Star Wars universe is a fan fiction playground, but the disadvantage is there’s no real limit to worlds, or races. But Halo’s great strength is that the races and worlds ARE limited, like a safety rail.

> I can’t help thinking that given how open Frankie O’Connor has been about respecting the book canon in this game, the Didact just won’t be an antagonist or enemy - at least, not for long. It’s much more likely he and the Chief will align their interests to fight the greater enemy - my best guess, the Precursors.

This had occurred to me before, but it hadn’t really clicked how well the Precursors fit the bill for “ancient evil”. Obviously, the Primordial demonstrated neither care nor regard for life, and the Precursors, being the most like “gods” of all the races, have an arrogance and evil mischief to them. Which in turn leaves great freedom for a villain.

> Wouldn’t be surprised if their efforts were undermined by the Builders/a Builder at some stage, and I think the Didact/343 have brought the Infinity to Requiem for re-enforcements. I think their intentions are friendly, or at the least not hostile.

From what others are saying, I’d personally say the chances of 343 being on the Infinity are unlikely but not impossible. Deep down I don’t see the Didact as an enemy, either. He’s the rough, hard to get along with, yet still truly good ally. And as for a Builder “side-villain” your guess is as good as mine. I wouldn’t be surprised.

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> <mark>From what others are saying, I’d personally say the chances of 343 being on the Infinity are unlikely but not impossible.</mark> Deep down I don’t see the Didact as an enemy, either. He’s the rough, hard to get along with, yet still truly good ally. And as for a Builder “side-villain” your guess is as good as mine. I wouldn’t be surprised.

Well CHAKAS isn’t on the Infinity because in the live action trailer every was moving around and not in cryo as the Infinity entered Requiem.

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Well, I personally am leaving room for the possible book-to-screen transition. The fact that they’re awake in itself is not a clinching factor, as he may have had reason to wake them up again before landing, and the initial surprise on their faces immediately followed by being sucked into Reqiuem is purely dramatic in my opinion. Even if the ship is hijacked just outside Reqiuem, obviously it will take time for a 4 kilometer ship to be pulled down to a planet.

Although I’m firing rebuttals back at you, personally I don’t think it’s the Infinity any more. But I like to keep choices open as food for thought. :stuck_out_tongue:

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> It can’t be the Infinity in Primordium because he had put the entire crew to sleep before stealing it. In the trailer everyone is awake and casually doing stuff. Things don’t go crazy until they’re scanned by the Planet and the upside down mystery symbol appears on their computer screens.

fixed. I highly refuse, for many good reasons, it’s the Didact. but the rest, yes you are right.