> this thread has officially went down the drain, hopefully someone will close it.
How so? Only one person has been uncivil so far. This is the most peaceful thread I’ve seen in along time on this forum and we are actually debating without cussing each other out and name-calling.
> I think you misunderstood me. I meant that in Reach we have remakes from the past Halo’s but those maps were planned to play at the “classic” way, not with the Reach gameplay, and the maps ended beign somewhat forced by Bungie to fit in the Reach, not so good, gameplay.
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> If you did understood me at first (I leave the original text very ambiguous) then ignore the previus statement.
Oh… I was excited for a minute. At least they are trying to implement them correctly.
> Deduction. With 343i trying to own the design of the things(weapon, armor, sounds, etc), unless they have the guy who did “x” in the previous Halo, they change it, and make it “original”.
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> I hardly see any remake in Halo 4. A spiritual succesor? Likely, but twisted enough to be “their own thing”.
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> That, and we have seen many many remakes already, it could be like “what? again this map? This map is never going to die?”
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> For example; for me, Haven feel like a spiritual succesor of Narrows, and with a very little of Guardian in the mix.
Come on. Don’t pretend we won’t have Blood Gulch shoved down our throats for the umpteenth time in some way or another.
And a remake or two couldn’t hurt, as long as they don’t overdo it like they did in Reach and the maps actually fit the game.
I for one, would love to see Waterworks come back and maybe Construct, but I don’t know if that would fit in Halo 4.
> So what makes a game competitive is the ranking system, the maps, the AA’s and Perks? Obviously you haven’t seen the gameplay videos or read a comment from someone that played the game at RTX. The “Perks” are subtle at best and slightly alter gameplay, the way that you’re responding makes it seem like people are going to be able take 2 rockets point blank, multiple shotgun blasts and a plasma grenade without even losing their shields. The Game is aimed for both Casuals and Competitive players, not either or. You go on and on about how you don’t want to play infinity slayer, well guess what -Yoink!-?! it’s a separate playlist then regular slayer. It seems like most people that came from Halo 2 and 3 that call themselves the “true” halo competitive community feel that the BR should dominate when it really shouldn’t. People that have played the game have stated that the BR can beat the DMR and Carbine in CQC and when it comes to Mid-Range it becomes more about skill, i get tired of reading nothing but [solicited] complaints about how the BR is underpowered when you have people that have played the game and said that it is a monster, yet people like you ignore those posts and keep spreading these false claims that it’s practically useless.
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> DON’T TALK ABOUT HOW A GAME PLAYS LIKE THEY’RE FACT UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
I know your passionate about this game series (We all are), but please remember that there are rules on these forums. Chill out a little bit and remove the swear words too.
I’ll answer President Sorby tomorrow. It’s nearly 3 AM where I live and I’m a bit tired. Until then…
> Oh boy, angry wall of text INCOMING.
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> “Red alert, we have a raging fanboy on the loose.”
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> > So what makes a game competitive is the ranking system, the maps, the AA’s and Perks?
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> Among other things, but for the most part, yes.
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> > Obviously you haven’t seen the gameplay videos or read a comment from someone that played the game at RTX.
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> > The “Perks” are subtle at best and slightly alter gameplay, the way that you’re responding makes it seem like people are going to be able take 2 rockets point blank, multiple shotgun blasts and a plasma grenade without even losing their shields.
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> I have not once even implied that they will alter gameplay any more than a slight annoyance and maybe an unfair kill every now and then. They still affect the balance of the game and don’t belong in Halo.
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> > The Game is aimed for both Casuals and Competitive players, not either or
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> Is it really? If you say so. I know that your word is final and everything you say is automatically right.
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> > You go on and on about how you don’t want to play infinity slayer, well guess what -Yoink!-?! it’s a separate playlist then regular slayer.
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> Thank god. And is it really necessary to disrupt this civil conversation with vulgarities and name-calling?
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> > It seems like most people that came from Halo 2 and 3 that call themselves the “true” halo competitive community feel that the BR should dominate when it really shouldn’t.
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> Once again, you know everything oh wise one. Except how to make paragraphs.
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> > People that have played the game have stated that the BR can beat the DMR and Carbine in CQC and when it comes to Mid-Range it becomes more about skill, i get tired of reading nothing but Bitchy complaints about how the BR is underpowered when you have people that have played the game and said that it is a monster, yet people like you ignore those posts and keep spreading these false claims that it’s practically useless.
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> Facts are facts kid. 5sk and a 1.83 kill time don’t lie. And yes, the BR wins at CQC AS IT SHOULD.
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> > DON’T TALK ABOUT HOW A GAME PLAYS LIKE THEY’RE FACT UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
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> I toned that down a little bit. It seems a little more your size now.
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> And I am not trying to say I know how the game plays, nor have I ever. I am simply giving my educated assumption based on all of the information I have gathered thus far of the game and have come to the conclusion that 343 has forgotten about, or at least didn’t pay enough attention to, the competitive community.
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> But seriously, PARAGRAPHS. They can make even the most incoherent rambler such as yourself at least somewhat legible.
alright i’m going to make this simple for you excluding point 1, 3, and 6. 7 is more or less a finisher…it will most likely be very weak though
I’m not a fanboy, im just sick and tired of people like you complaining and going on about how the competitiveness in Halo is gone.
Ranking systems don’t make games competitive, they promote people to cheat and hack the game and cause undeserved bragging for having no life and wasting away your “most likely” busy schedule to play a game non-stop until you have a high rank even though it doesnt mean that you are good, just that you play too much.
My word is not final, and neither is yours. If you’re going to quote someone’s comments, quote the ENTIRE comment instead of what you can pick out to make them seem bad, because it seems like you left out certain parts of my comment as well as others that you obviously didn’t have a counter for because you knew that i was at right.
I’ve seen you ask for a 4sk BR or at least “buff” it, but again you refuse to pay ANY mind to the people that have ACTUALLY played the game and commented on how the BR is compared to the Carbine and DMR.
I am absolutely certain that the game can fit both Casuals and Competitive players perfectly, some of the first people that got to test the game and give feedback were the MLG players, and Casual players find the game to be very fun as well, which i am sure makes you feel uncomfortable since from your point of view it seems like if the Casuals have fun then the game if instantly Casual Oriented.
I know how to form coherent sentences and perfectly executed paragraphs to the point that some authors may be jealous, i just find it unnecessary to type so formally on a forum which is generally considered to be informal. It seems like a bit of your slightly feeble “counter” argument was meant to downplay my intelligence and make me seem like your average unintelligent rage which is quite the opposite.
The phrase “The game isn’t out yet so don’t judge it” is overused yes, but in your case it suits an argument against you perfectly.
> > So what makes a game competitive is the ranking system, the maps, the AA’s and Perks? Obviously you haven’t seen the gameplay videos or read a comment from someone that played the game at RTX. The “Perks” are subtle at best and slightly alter gameplay, the way that you’re responding makes it seem like people are going to be able take 2 rockets point blank, multiple shotgun blasts and a plasma grenade without even losing their shields. The Game is aimed for both Casuals and Competitive players, not either or. You go on and on about how you don’t want to play infinity slayer, well guess what -Yoink!-?! it’s a separate playlist then regular slayer. It seems like most people that came from Halo 2 and 3 that call themselves the “true” halo competitive community feel that the BR should dominate when it really shouldn’t. People that have played the game have stated that the BR can beat the DMR and Carbine in CQC and when it comes to Mid-Range it becomes more about skill, i get tired of reading nothing but [solicited] complaints about how the BR is underpowered when you have people that have played the game and said that it is a monster, yet people like you ignore those posts and keep spreading these false claims that it’s practically useless.
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> > DON’T TALK ABOUT HOW A GAME PLAYS LIKE THEY’RE FACT UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
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> I know your passionate about this game series (We all are), but please remember that there are rules on these forums. Chill out a little bit and remove the swear words too.
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> I’ll answer the guy who responded to me tomorrow. It’s nearly 3 AM and I’m a bit tired. Until then…
I respect your comment over the other guy. I’m not particularly passionate about the game series, I just get tired of getting on these forums and finding people like that guy that constantly complain about pretty much every little thing about the game. swearing may have been overkill, but it’s like it’s the only thing that people like that even at least pay attention to
> alright i’m going to make this simple for you excluding point 1, 3, and 6. 7 is more or less a finisher…it will most likely be very weak though
Go for it.
> 1. I’m not a fanboy, im just sick and tired of people like you complaining and going on about how the competitiveness in Halo is gone.
How is it not gone? And I do not claim to know the future for Halo, all I have been saying is that I don not THINK that there will be much competitive-ness in Halo 4. I didn’t realize that was a crime.
> 2. Ranking systems don’t make games competitive, they promote people to cheat and hack the game and cause undeserved bragging for having no life and wasting away your “most likely” busy schedule to play a game non-stop until you have a high rank even though it doesnt mean that you are good, just that you play too much.
This is just plain false. Obviously you didn’t read my OP if you still believe this. You honestly think that the sole purpose of a ranking system is to promote cheating and cause people to waste time?
I can maybe give you the latter, but the former is untrue. Cheaters will cheat no matter WHAT ranking system is in place. I gave a fine example in the “Rank” section of my OP.
And Ranks do so much more than just offer “Bragging rights”
> 3. My word is not final, and neither is yours. If you’re going to quote someone’s comments, quote the ENTIRE comment instead of what you can pick out to make them seem bad, because it seems like you left out certain parts of my comment as well as others that you obviously didn’t have a counter for because you knew that i was at right.
You have certainly so far implied it. And I quoted EVERY DAMN WORD YOU SAID. And came up with a retort to everything you said.
> 4. I’ve seen you ask for a 4sk BR or at least “buff” it, but again you refuse to pay ANY mind to the people that have ACTUALLY played the game and commented on how the BR is compared to the Carbine and DMR.
Once again facts>opinions.
> 5. I am absolutely certain that the game can fit both Casuals and Competitive players perfectly, some of the first people that got to test the game and give feedback were the MLG players, and Casual players find the game to be very fun as well, which i am sure makes you feel uncomfortable since from your point of view it seems like if the Casuals have fun then the game if instantly Casual Oriented.
Yeah Reach was fun for a game or two too. That didn’t last long.
And you’re absolutely certain? I’ll bet you a 4000 MSP card that it won’t be.
> 6. I know how to form coherent sentences and perfectly executed paragraphs to the point that some authors may be jealous, i just find it unnecessary to type so formally on a forum which is generally considered to be informal. It seems like a bit of your slightly feeble “counter” argument was meant to downplay my intelligence and make me seem like your average unintelligent rage which is quite the opposite.
I think you might be blowing a little smoke if you know what I mean.
And if you want your comment to be read, you should probably make sure that people can read whatever it is you’re saying.
> 7. The phrase “The game isn’t out yet so don’t judge it” is overused yes, but in your case it suits an argument against you perfectly.
Once again, I am only judging the information that has been given to me and I have not ONCE stated that my opinions in my OP can’t change.
> > > So what makes a game competitive is the ranking system, the maps, the AA’s and Perks? Obviously you haven’t seen the gameplay videos or read a comment from someone that played the game at RTX. The “Perks” are subtle at best and slightly alter gameplay, the way that you’re responding makes it seem like people are going to be able take 2 rockets point blank, multiple shotgun blasts and a plasma grenade without even losing their shields. The Game is aimed for both Casuals and Competitive players, not either or. You go on and on about how you don’t want to play infinity slayer, well guess what -Yoink!-?! it’s a separate playlist then regular slayer. It seems like most people that came from Halo 2 and 3 that call themselves the “true” halo competitive community feel that the BR should dominate when it really shouldn’t. People that have played the game have stated that the BR can beat the DMR and Carbine in CQC and when it comes to Mid-Range it becomes more about skill, i get tired of reading nothing but [solicited] complaints about how the BR is underpowered when you have people that have played the game and said that it is a monster, yet people like you ignore those posts and keep spreading these false claims that it’s practically useless.
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> > > DON’T TALK ABOUT HOW A GAME PLAYS LIKE THEY’RE FACT UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
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> > I know your passionate about this game series (We all are), but please remember that there are rules on these forums. Chill out a little bit and remove the swear words too.
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> > I’ll answer the guy who responded to me tomorrow. It’s nearly 3 AM and I’m a bit tired. Until then…
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> I respect your comment over the other guy. I’m not particularly passionate about the game series, I just get tired of getting on these forums and finding people like that guy that constantly complain about pretty much every little thing about the game. swearing may have been overkill, but it’s like it’s the only thing that people like that even at least pay attention to
Oh and I forgot that even though these forums are made for your opinions of the game, you can only give positive one’s.
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Id prefer it if you called the title “yet another rant about how halo 4 is for cod players and casuals because im a whiny person who can’t play halo 4 unless its exaclly like halo 2/3”
I think that title would suit the subject very much as all you do is focus the topic around complaining about halo 4 not being halo 3.
I and many others thought this was a explination about how both casuals and competitives can play halo 4 (which they can) but as normal, its a butthurt whiny kid who uses the word competitive wrong, acts like 343 can’t do anything, and thinks he can do a better job.
> Id prefer it if you called the title “yet another rant about how halo 4 is for cod players and casuals because im a whiny person who can’t play halo 4 unless its exaclly like halo 2/3”
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> I think that title would suit the subject very much as all you do is focus the topic around complaining about halo 4 not being halo 3.
> I and many others thought this was a explination about how both casuals and competitives can play halo 4 (which they can) but as normal, its a butthurt whiny kid who uses the word competitive wrong, acts like 343 can’t do anything, and thinks he can do a better job.
I am not whining, nor am I asking for Halo 2/3 to be remade. I do not mention Halo being like COD at ANY point in my OP. I am also not a kid. Nor am I butthurt. I think 343 has made a few good moves and I don’t think I could do a better job at all.
Maybe you should actually read the whole -Yoinking!- OP before you draw conclusions.
This thread was giving NUMEROUS examples on how one might see 343 as not catering enough to the Competitive community. I have no problem with 343 catering to the Casual side, so long as the competitives are not forgotten. Which I give many examples on how this has happened.
Now if you would please leave this thread, as we are actually trying to have intelligent discussions that involve actually READING each other’s posts.
Oh please. Starcraft 1 + 2 were built from the ground up to be competitive. They are hugely popular games. Far more so than any halo.
> > > > Gamers aren’t easily split between “casual” or “competitive” and many peoples definition of what defines a “casual” is usually along the lines of, “Someone who isn’t competitive”.
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> > > They are merely popularized words to describe the two main styles of play. They may have subgenres, but those are the general terms.
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> > Two main styles of play? That doesn’t make sense as one of those styles of play is not really playing at all.
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> Either you play to win (competitive) or you play to -Yoink!- around and have fun (casual).
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> There are subgenres of this and things inbetween, but it would be easier to say “Competitive and Casual” then “Competitive, Casual, people who are only competitive on Guardian, people who are only casual in Action Sack, people who are only casual with their friends… etc. etc.”
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> I could max out the character count trying to describe all of the individual styles of play and still not be finished and not get my point across or I could use two words. Which one is better to you?
So I can’t play to win and have fun? Or I can’t play to win, and still enjoy getting in some time to goof off in custom games? That’s honestly my biggest problem with this communities obsession with categorizing everyone as either “Casual” or “Competitive”. There are all types of players who enjoy all types of different things, so grouping everyone into two groups is a bit stupid to be blunt. Besides your average player is somehwere in between. Yes there exists players who are at one extreme or the other, but to categorize everyone into those two groups doesn’t work. I wish the community would stop using the words “Casual Player” and “Competitive Player”. How about just “Gamers”?
Im tired of people bashing games as uncompetitive because it doesnt fit their perfectly balanced arena standards. All games are competitive, especially Halo games. Even Reach was competitive. There is almost no such thing as an uncompetitive shooter. I assume by competitive you mean the community that pompously brands themself as the only people that know what they are doing because they play mlg or some crap like it? So close minded. I can turn a game of friggen action sack into a Competitive match. I am extremely competitive I play to win every game and I hate losing, not half bad at the game either I love halo been playing it forever; I love all these quirky new features they are throwing in like AA’s. It will make the game more enjoyable and keep it from going stale in the long run.
fyi i completely ignored your wall of text the first post, only read into the first paragraph or so and the title.
Be thankful I did. Reading that malarky just now only made me want to rage at you all that much harder about almost every single thing you said. Many of which were just plain unaccurate. So instead of raging let it just be known that I hate this post and nearly every point you tried to make, your ideas epitomize the “Competitive” know-it-all player that Ive come to not being able to stand on these forums.
> Im tired of people bashing games as uncompetitive because it doesnt fit their perfectly balanced arena standards. All games are competitive, especially Halo games. Even Reach was competitive. There is almost no such thing as an uncompetitive shooter. I assume by competitive you mean the community that pompously brands themself as the only people that know what they are doing because they play mlg or some crap like it? So close minded. I can turn a game of friggen action sack into a Competitive match. I am extremely competitive I play to win every game and I hate losing, not half bad at the game either I love halo been playing it forever; I love all these quirky new features they are throwing in like AA’s. It will make the game more enjoyable and keep it from going stale in the long run.
Halo 2 and 3 lasted 5 years on the top of the XBL charts and 1 in second to COD WITHOUT gimmicks like AA’s.
And like I said, I do not speak for the entire Competitive community. If you have a different opinion, that’s fine.
And I am not just mindlessly bashing this game, nor am I trying to turn it into an unfun ultimate competitive game. I am simply drawing attention to the fact that almost none of the new additions and changes were made specifically for the competitive community, which if you read my OP, I gave extensive support for.
> fyi i completely ignored your wall of text the first post, only read into the first paragraph or so and the title.
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> Be thankful I did. Reading that malarky just now only made me want to rage at you all that much harder about almost every single thing you said. Many of which were just plain unaccurate. So instead of raging let it just be known that I hate this post and nearly every point you tried to make, your ideas epitomize the “Competitive” know-it-all player that Ive come to not being able to stand on these forums.
If you didn’t read the OP you are seriously misinformed to what this thread is about.
And you are being extremely close-minded and stereotypical if you are saying “you hate every competitive player” and call them all “know-it-alls”
Just out of curiosity, if you only read the first paragraph, how do you know about my points, and which one’s were “plain Unaccurate” as you say?
And a wall of text would imply that I didn’t use paragraphs. I made a long post. Long Posts =/= Wall of Text.
> > fyi i completely ignored your wall of text the first post, only read into the first paragraph or so and the title.
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> > Be thankful I did. <mark>Reading that malarky just now</mark> only made me want to rage at you all that much harder about almost every single thing you said. Many of which were just plain unaccurate. So instead of raging let it just be known that I hate this post and nearly every point you tried to make, your ideas epitomize the “Competitive” know-it-all player that Ive come to not being able to stand on these forums.
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> If you didn’t read the OP you are seriously misinformed to what this thread is about.
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> And you are being extremely close-minded and stereotypical if you are saying “you hate every competitive player” and call them all “know-it-alls”
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> Just out of curiosity, if you only read the first paragraph, how do you know about my points, and which one’s were “plain Unaccurate” as you say?
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> And a wall of text would imply that I didn’t use paragraphs. I made a long post. Long Posts =/= Wall of Text.
I did read it. Just then, after the first post. & I know im being stereotypical, thats why I said you were the epitome of the stereotype. I think it would be best if I simply stopped responding to you/viewing this thread after this, Id rather not get a temp ban. Good day
> I did read it. Just then, after the first post. & I know im being stereotypical, thats why I said you were the epitome of the stereotype. I think it would be best if I simply stopped responding to you/viewing this thread after this, Id rather not get a temp ban. Good day
No. I want to be informed as to my “False information.” Go on. I seriously want to hear what you have against giving the competitive players additions in Halo 4.
You can control yourself, I almost lost it a few times this thread. But I didn’t.
If you have to resort to stereotyping and name-calling, then that’s just sad.