> …and the Halo franchise has sold over 50 million.
that is just retail units bought in the store that does not include units sold thru steam. CS has always been the premier FPS game.
CS tournaments have been going on since shortly after its release and its been the main stream competitive FPS game for the past 10 years and only getting stronger.
CS demo’s, HLTV and other things have made it the premier esports game.
> Dear 343/BS Angel
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> There was a time when Halo was the king of FPS and XBL. It wasn’t taken down by another game that was imitating Halo, all of those supposed “Halo Killers” floundered and died. Instead Halo was dethroned by a game (COD) that did its own thing that was NOTHING like the then current king, Halo 3.
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> The history lesson here is that you don’t beat the top dog by doing what it does best. You beat it by doing what YOU do best.
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> <mark>Learn from history 343, or be doomed to repeat it.</mark>
I have played all the CODs and all the halo’s, all online, and believe me, CoD copied Halo in the early days of CoD 4 and 5 to win over Halo 3 fans.
Things like online stats, and saved films, arcade game play with power weapon spawns and sticky grenades.
Gamers complained that you could jump too high and use Juggernaut to absorb bullets so CoD was becoming more like Halo. It’s funny when you thing about it.
First of all CoD is something universal. Something that unites 360 and PS3 users (not literally, but still). You don’t even need console to play it online, because I would be able to play it on the same laptop, which I’m using right now to write this post (it has really low requirements)! CoD right now is something Halo wanted to be in it’s glory days - universal, social shooter, so no wonder it’s the #1 everywhere (on Xbox, on PS3, on PC etc.).
-Yoink!- should at least consider making XBL free.
Cant quantify
Your well-being and sense of self needn’t be tied to the degree of success to which Halo 4 ascends. It’s okay for us – the fans – that this fantastic game isn’t determined to be the most popular game of its kind. We still play it either way.
And if your concern is that lower popularity means lower game quality, I wouldn’t be too worried. This game wasn’t a flop and there’s ten years planned out, so I expect Halo’s covered for at least the next three years. If Halo 5 flops, well… then we can get worried for the whole franchise.
You mean back in the day when it has less competition?
I completely agree. Halo became popular for it’s uniqueness and how different it was to other games but now, it seems like 343 want to take away everything which made Halo and instead take ideas from other games such as cod removing the fundamentals which made Halo. I may sound a little harsh, but I only want whats best for halo as do many others. The numbers speaks for themselves 343, the community wants to play Halo, not some cod remake. Halo 4 does have potential as do 343, though they must return to the roots of Halo in future to truly succeed.
> 343 is doing their own thing. Its hard to find a game thats “orignal.” It hasn’t been that way in the FPS genre in a loooooong time. Both COD and halo arn’t orignal and haven’t ever been. 343 is taking elements and adding their own spin on it.
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> Besides your logic is flawed. COD is the most sucessful FPS and it has stolen from other games and added their spin to it. You want to know reality? No one cares about orignality. Its an argument made up by weak people who need to blame something instead of just dealing with what you got. Its about how good you can do something. For example cods zombies. The survival wave based aspect is hardly orignal let alone with zombies. But the way they pulled it off. The way they did their spin. THATS what made it popular.
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> In short your wrong. Games haven’t been orignal let alone in the past decade. Oh and halo 4 is amazing. You don’t have to like the new changes. But trying to say they are failing at what they do best is just wrong. They gave us a -Yoink!- good halo game.
All I am saying is halo doesn’t need perks, insta spawns, killcams, JIP (where the games count as normal on record/KD and start games 2v4), and slow as molasses movement speed + sprin (just walk around in bloodgulch or lockout to see the fast default running in CE/2), and various other features popularized (though not invented) by COD.
All the games that imitated Halos formula to try and beat it failed. Just like right now all the games that try and copy CODs formula are failing.
As history and current events in video games have shown this method does not work.
<mark>Learn from Histoy.</mark>
> halo has never been the premier FPS game. It may of been the top xbox fps game, but in terms of ALL FPS games, its never been the top dog.
Good one, “balla”
> You mean back in the day when it has less competition?
Halo 2 Bested COD 1-3
Halo 3 bested COD WAW, MW1 (if you dont believeme just look up the XBL activity yourself)
Halo 2 and 3 bested every FIFA game
History has already proven the Halo formula more than enough to counter its competition. But just like General Motors, when your quality slides, so does your ability to stay #1.
> Your well-being and sense of self needn’t be tied to the degree of success to which Halo 4 ascends. It’s okay for us – the fans – that this fantastic game isn’t determined to be the most popular game of its kind. We still play it either way.
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> It isnt. Not really, the more popular the game is the shorter MM time will be, the better closer skill matchups will be, and the less lag. Sorry if I want my Matchmaking to be better.
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> And if your concern is that lower popularity means lower game quality, I wouldn’t be too worried. This game wasn’t a flop and there’s ten years planned out, so I expect Halo’s covered for at least the next three years. If Halo 5 flops, well… then we can get worried for the whole franchise.
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> Yes lets put off for tomorrow what we can do today and opt for an pound of cure instead of an ounce of prevention. Good thinking there.
> maybe halo will be the top xbox fps when halo 5 comes out on the xbox 720, since there might not be that many other popular titles out by then
same thing happened to gears of war.
> > Dear 343/BS Angel
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> > There was a time when Halo was the king of FPS and XBL. It wasn’t taken down by another game that was imitating Halo, all of those supposed “Halo Killers” floundered and died. Instead Halo was dethroned by a game (COD) that did its own thing that was NOTHING like the then current king, Halo 3.
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> I have played all the CODs and all the halo’s, all online, and believe me, CoD copied Halo in the early days of CoD 4 and 5 to win over Halo 3 fans.
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> Things like online stats, and saved films, arcade game play with power weapon spawns and sticky grenades.
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> Gamers complained that you could jump too high and use Juggernaut to absorb bullets so CoD was becoming more like Halo. It’s funny when you thing about it.
Yupp cuz Halo 3 had killstreak, loadouts, insta spawns, and perks, and 1-50 based on playtime not skill.
Halo 3 also never had power weapon spawns outside of designated gametypes like snipers, rocket race etc. COD 4 had you be able to spawn with rockets and snipers almost all the time.
<mark>COD 4 was nothing like Halo 3 and vice versa.</mark>
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Being #1 on the Xbox LIVE charts is not equivalent to applying for a job, winning the Super Bowl or any other crazy analogy you can think of. It doesn’t mean anything. If they didn’t track population and didn’t post the numbers everyone would be playing and having fun regardless of what game they are playing.
If you base what you play solely on if it is #1 on XBL charts, you’re missing out on a lot of fun and amazing game experiences. Take the notion of population out of your heads because it only deludes you and it doesn’t mean anything.
> > > > > > Why are people so obsessed with getting #1? Sure, it’d be awesome to be #1 again, but I’m perfectly happy with Halo 4 in #3.
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> > > > > Well, would you rather win the championship or get knocked out in the preliminaries, but hey at least you made the playoffs…
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> > > > > no. its championship ring or bust
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> > > > I told you, I would rather be #1… but #3 is perfectly fine.
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> > > > “If you’re not first, you’re last” is a flawed way of thinking.
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> > > but if I wanted a job, and i’m 2nd best, I’d be in the same circumstance as the people 3rd-999999th
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> > Flawed analogy. Halo isn’t applying for a job.
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> > EDIT: Besides, that’s assuming there’s only ONE job opening, which sometimes isn’t the case.
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> its applying for my attention, and the fact of the matter is why should I settle for a fun game when I can play the most fun game
Because most fun is subjective?
This is one of the stupidest things I have ever read.
> > halo has never been the premier FPS game. It may of been the top xbox fps game, but in terms of ALL FPS games, its never been the top dog.
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> Good one, “balla”
It’s true? God. Halo may have been competitive on the Xbox, but everyone that knows anything about competition knows that the most competitive and skill-based shooters have been on the PC. Counterstrike 1.6? Check. Quake? Check. TF2 even? Check. Shadowrun? PC and Xbox, and more skill required/faster gameplay than Halo. Being limited by a controller and performing well doesn’t make an FPS shooter require more skill, the PC fps’s are so much faster paced than any Halo game it’s ridiculous.
People really need to learn about competition before posting. At least b4lla knows about this -Yoink-.
> > > halo has never been the premier FPS game. It may of been the top xbox fps game, but in terms of ALL FPS games, its never been the top dog.
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> > Good one, “balla”
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> It’s true? God. Halo may have been competitive on the Xbox, but everyone that knows anything about competition knows that the most competitive and skill-based shooters have been on the PC. Counterstrike 1.6? Check. Quake? Check. TF2 even? Check. Shadowrun? PC and Xbox, and more skill required/faster gameplay than Halo. Being limited by a controller and performing well doesn’t make an FPS shooter require more skill, the PC fps’s are so much faster paced than any Halo game it’s ridiculous.
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> People really need to learn about competition before posting. At least b4lla knows about this Yoink!.
notice how the title of the thread is
“Halo 4, #1 on XBL”
This thread has nothing to do with PC games.
Except b4lla stated Halo’s never been the premier in all games. Someone refuted that, and I posted correcting him. I care nothing for the OP, only correcting stupidity when I see it.
Thanks for trying.
> Dear 343/BS Angel
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> There was a time when Halo was the king of console FPS and XBL. It wasn’t taken down by another game that was imitating Halo, all of those supposed “Halo Killers” floundered and died. Instead Halo was dethroned by a game (COD) that did its own thing that was NOTHING like the then current king, Halo 3.
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Yeah, you have a good point.
Halo 2 dominated the online multiplayer charts for a long time. It’s kinda sad to see Halo multiplayer go this direction. I’m not pointing at anything specific aside from the reptitive broken game mechanics.
> halo has never been the premier FPS game. It may of been the top xbox fps game, but in terms of ALL FPS games, its never been the top dog.
Before Reach it was. Not sure what world you’re living in.
I don’t think Halo can ever take back the throne. Too many fans have been lost and it’s changed too much. The brand is damaged.
The next game to knock CoD off the throne will probably be a new franchise. Maybe Destiny or some new IP next gen.