So everything I can see indicates that Halo 3 ODST is taking place in paralell to Halo 2’s campaign before the Prophet of Regret dies. So at that time, I wouldn’t expect to be finding Elites that have been killed by brutes on Earth. Master Chief certainly continues to fight Elites after Regret’s ship leaves New Mombasa behind. There were Elites on the surface when the ship jumped into slip space. So it feels like an inconsistency with the timeline that just hours after Regret’s departure, we have the discovery of Elites that were killed by brutes. It also seems strange that the response to the inquiry was “that’s classified” as if ONI already had all sorts of information about that.
It feels like the kind of story telling mistake that is easy to make because the story-writer and the viewer both have already worked through those events, so it feels right until you think that ODST isn’t a continuation, but a flashback of sorts. Can anyone explain this one to me? I am curious.
I am enjoying ODST quite a lot btw. Reach rocked, and I finally got around to ODST. Cool game.
I don’t think so.
It takes place during or just before halo 3 not 2.
At least about the time they are recovering the Master Chief in the jungle. And just before the ‘digging’ starts.
After all it’s the transporter to the arc that is buried UNDER New Mabasa that the covies want. After all there was elites fighting brutes in ODST and that didn’t happen until After the prophet left earth.
ODST wasn’t very popular, I thought, But I enjoyed it also. At least as a change, I have trouble picking up now after a few dozen games in the 'campaign".
Regret wasn’t expecting Earth to be the human homeworld; he only knew of it as the repository of a certain Forerunner artifact, which he dove right in to retrieve without informing Truth and Mercy. When Truth found out about it, he sent in a Brute fleet with orders to kill the Elites and take over the invasion (part of his plan to replace the Elites entirely, which he then expanded in the later portions of Halo 2).
I assume they said “It’s classified” as cover for “We don’t know WTF is going on.”
If that were the case then you would be saying that New Mombassa got trashed from a second covenant carrier doing a slip stream jump above the city, and we certainly should have seen indicators of that in the narrative of Halo 3. To my understanding, the only slip space shockwave to hit New Mombassa came when Regret high tailed it out.
So what you are saying is that as soon as Regret stumbled on earth, presumably because his searching lead him there in hunt of forerunner artifacts, Truth sent brutes in to kill the elites, and they arrived pretty much at the same time Regret scampered away?
So wouldn’t there have been a second covenant cruiser around? If Truth knew where the human home world was, why didn’t he send the kind of force that ended up at Reach to finish off the human race? It doesn’t feel like a very clean fit into the story. It feels like they would have needed more time to travel. Help was 48 hours out for Reach, and that after the Covenant had been hittin Reach for some time. It also seems inconsistent that Truth would not send the whole fleet to do to earth what they did to Reach.
Don’t get me wrong, I am loving the ODST campaign, but the story teller/author in me wants to see how this fits. It feels to me like a story telling mistake that has been given cursory explanations after the fact. Of course, I am not familiar with the story beyond what is told in the campaigns so maybe I am being too picky.
Actually no, I believe there was an order given to the brutes left on Earth when Regret fled; the actual takeover of the fleets wouldn’t be accomplished til after Regret’s death at Chief’s hand (which wasn’t until after the events of ODST).
> Actually no, I believe there was an order given to the brutes left on Earth when Regret fled; the actual takeover of the fleets wouldn’t be accomplished til after Regret’s death at Chief’s hand (which wasn’t until after the events of ODST).
Ok I should have quoted on my previous replies. That would have made it more clear. Ok so that can make more sense that the brutes on Earth got orders from Truth when Regret fled. The idea that Truth then sent more forces didn’t jive well with me for a lot of reasons.
So as I see it then: Truth had been working to undermine the Elites for some time. The events of Halo Combat Evolved gave him more momentum with the failures of the Arbiters force at Halo. So when Regret (who seems to have still been loyal to Elites, seeing that he still had them as his Honor Guard until Master Chief killed him) left, that was Truth’s chance to make a move against the Elites on Earth. Then when Regret is killed, that gives Truth the final event he needed to discredit the elites and cast them out from the covenant.
I guess beyond that, the idea that their saying the information on the dead Elites as classified would have to be taken as a cover for their being clueless what it was about. I don’t see any way that command on Earth could have had an awareness of the subtleties in the Covenant politics that were going on at the time.
heres a rough timeline
odsts drop during the time truths ship fled.
brutes on earth are given an order to kill elites.
odsts fight all day and night(by the way master cheif is still traveling in slipspace for a couple days after odst ends).
a month after the drop sgt johnson metts with the enginer.
halo 3 starts.
Ok in real world they didn’t have time to program Elite as enemies using the Halo 3 engine. If they used the existing AI they would of been easier to kill then brutes. So of course with that they had to explain it of as canon for the story to match game play. It would of been nice to see the civil war on earth but They couldn’t do it in the time they had to make it. At least the put dead elites everywhere and mentioned it in game.
> Ok in real world they didn’t have time to program Elite as enemies using the Halo 3 engine. If they used the existing AI they would of been easier to kill then brutes. So of course with that they had to explain it of as canon for the story to match game play. It would of been nice to see the civil war on earth but They couldn’t do it in the time they had to make it. At least the put dead elites everywhere and mentioned it in game.
Heh that wouldn’t surprise me at all. As a software developer myself (not in games) I can see where something like that would have been quite a lot of work to get in, and how it would be easier to tweak the Halo Cannon than do all of that work. It’s too bad though. It would have been awesome to have that whole civil war stuff going on in ODST like it was in Halo 2. I really enjoyed those parts in Halo 2 a lot. I think that Elites are more fun to fight than Brutes for the most part as well. Still I am enjoying ODST quite a lot.
Truth knew earths location weeks before Halo 2 started. He was probably preparing brute ships to go to earth before Regrets blunder. Truth was probably gathering them nearby, just waiting for Regret to make his “mistake”. We saw in first strike Truth was already preparing forces to assault earth, but in the wake of the unyielding heirophants destruction, he was content to gather forces nearby, then used Regret to begin the coup.
IMO, Truth had it all planned out. He’s a smart dude.
And the canoncal reason why makes sense. I mean most of the elites left with the cruiser and what elites where left could of been overwhelmed in the time between Chief getting in the Pelican To when Buck crashed In the first flashback mission. I just think they should of had a few Bandolier Brutes dead on the street to show It started quick. You know before all the new brutes came in with shinny armor.
> > Ok in real world they didn’t have time to program Elite as enemies using the Halo 3 engine. If they used the existing AI they would of been easier to kill then brutes. So of course with that they had to explain it of as canon for the story to match game play. It would of been nice to see the civil war on earth but They couldn’t do it in the time they had to make it. At least the put dead elites everywhere and mentioned it in game.
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> Heh that wouldn’t surprise me at all. As a software developer myself (not in games) I can see where something like that would have been quite a lot of work to get in, and how it would be easier to tweak the Halo Cannon than do all of that work. It’s too bad though. It would have been awesome to have that whole civil war stuff going on in ODST like it was in Halo 2. I really enjoyed those parts in Halo 2 a lot. I think that Elites are more fun to fight than Brutes for the most part as well. Still I am enjoying ODST quite a lot.
it’s been said in one of bnet’s updates that truth’s plan to get the brutes up to the elites social height in the covenant took place before regret’s death.
Well we know that Regret was in contact with Truth before leaving Earth, its possible Truth had Regret relay the orders to over through the elites before having Regret go to Delta Halo. We know ODST starts as Regret leaves as In Amber Clad can be seen jumping out alongside the carrier if your a keen observer.
> It takes place during or just before halo 3 not 2.
> At least about the time they are recovering the Master Chief in the jungle. And just before the ‘digging’ starts.
Not quite correct. ODST starts at the same time the mission Metropolis in H2 ends. The Covenant ship the In Amber Glad follows as it jumps into slipspace right above New Mombasa is the very same ship that causes the destruction of the city and the scattering of the ODST pods at the start of H3:ODST.