I don’t know why but Halo 1-3’s story feels irrelevant now and it saddens me.
Yeah I know it’s stupid but I can’t help feel that way. I also wish Marty was working on Halo.
I agree. It feels like the main goal was achieved.
To fight this new Covenant–and what may be the Flood (again) soon–almost makes Chief’s actions in 1-3 feel in vain.
343 is trying to rehash them in ways that feel new, but can’t. The Halo conflict also cannot be rehashed because that will also belittle Chief’s actions and Bungie’s entire storyline from the original trilogy.
I miss Marty as well.
It’s not irrelevant, humanity is now no longer being consistently pushed to the brink. They may overexagerate their position, but they are in a much better spot now. h4 was a very different story than the other games, even if the basic plot points resemble past ones (but so did those in the original trilogy).
In the end, you can’t end the conflict by just killing the head of the snake. Things do not wrap up nicely like that.
h5 seems to be doing a lot of new stuff plotwise by includin sanghelios, Locke squad vs Blue team, possible chief betrayal, weird forerunner thing, etc.
You’d have a point if Halo 3 was actually intended to finish the fight.
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> You’d have a point if Halo 3 was actually intended to finish the fight.
Enlighten us, oh Decepticon, about how the advertising campaign deceived us.
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The game itself does a good job of that. The Gravemind’s final words about not being defeated, but only delayed. The Covenant still around. Mendicant Bias’ words on saving Chief and having his makers know he changed. The Legendary Ending and the Bungie having Halo 4 on the table before making Reach.
Marty had his time, I’m just wondering if this is a story, gameplay, or music thread?
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> The game itself does a good job of that. The Gravemind’s final words about not being defeated, but only delayed. The Covenant still around. Mendicant Bias’ words on saving Chief and having his makers know he changed. The Legendary Ending and the Bungie having Halo 4 on the table before making Reach.
This man speaks truth. All the actions of halo 1-3 did was insure humanity no longer went extinct And 3 did a lot if you read the terminals and went behind the scenes to set up the forerunner saga. But then somewhere in there, the thought process of Bungie changed. They focused more On destiny and released games that didn’t have the full teams heart and spirit in it and 343 continued what 3 set up
Anybody who actually paid attention to Halo 3’s story (yeah, I know, it’s hard to do that…) saw that it was set-up for the larger narrative.
I mean, when Mendicant Bias outright tells you that he’s sending you to the Forerunners to serve as his instrument of atonement… well, what followed was inevitably escalate the comparatively small conflict going on in CE-3.
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> Anybody who actually paid attention to Halo 3’s story (yeah, I know, it’s hard to do that…)
Maybe we shouldn’t be so hard on people who missed all the set up Halo 3 gave us.
Having to pay that close attention to Halo 3’s story is, after all, the second leading cause of amnesia.
Also, if you think about it, it’s just history in a fictional universe. Things happen. Change happens in history, and sometimes, what you think may be over, but in reality it’s just the beginning and someone or something like an occurance or event can turn the tables and something new springs out of it. Look at WW1. Everybody thought it was over, and it was, but after that war, peace was short, and soon the whole world economy crashed and then came WW2, deeming WW1 insignificant on scale. But it was significant in history, as it directly led to WW2. So, the Human-Covenant War ended, but history altered and change occurred and the Galaxy was not at rest as the UNSC and the Covenant were both in trouble economically wise and militaristic wise. But ONI decided to hit them hard while they were down and ensure that Humanity stood above them, but in the end, it just caused more stuff to happen, and then Chief accidentally made things worse by waking the Ur-Didact(of course it was not his fault directly, he honestly did not know what was going to happen), and the state of the Galaxy has worsened. Historical events are significant, and they lead to many things that alter the course of history, whether it be an immediate change or a change later down the road. History is change over time, and right now, history in the Halo universe is continuously changing, for better or for worse…
so in conclusion, the events of halo ce to 3 are not meaningless, they are just not to scale on what is happening currently now in the Halo universe; but without those events, what is happening in the Halo universe now would not be happening.
I think our actions would feel more relevant if Halo 4 did a better job of explaining that the covenant we fight is just a small group. Even as someone who knows this from reading the books and comics it does manage to give a vibe that nothings changed. I remember 4 getting criticized a lot around launch because of people saying you need to read the books to understand what’s happening, but really the forerunner trilogy wasn’t necessary and the plot point of “It’s just a small group” could have been explained with a few extra lines of dialogue.
I’d like to add that Halo 3 in many ways set up the next saga of games. Like Halo 4 especially, one way you can see this is actually through the terminals in 3. Show conversations between the didact and librarian.
I’m not going to let anything take away from the first 3 games and how epic they were. Putting aside my feeling towards Halo 4, I must say, I like where the story is going. In fact, the only story I have not liked by 343 was Halo 4. It makes sense that things are on a smaller scale right now after the epic, large scale Human-Covenant war. The war is over, the Covenant has split. These are a natural continuation of Halo 3’s “grand finale,” which, as Cobra said, left a few things open ended.
Halo 1 and 2 are not irrelevant to me personally. I still play them all the time, they are way better than the new ones imo
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But the Human/Covenant war is over and humanity is no longer nearly extinct. Sure there’s a lot of little details between here and there, but it ended. All of that could be removed and the story would remain the same. The protagonist shattered one threat and sufficiently crippled another. That is closure, if ever I saw it.
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Nah Halo 3 opened more doors than closing them. Mendicant bias, legendary ending, the story progressing towards the forerunners. There was no way the story was gonna end with complete absence of the forerunners, and indeed Bungie considering Halo 4 before settling with Reach.
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> But the Human/Covenant war is over and humanity is no longer nearly extinct. Sure there’s a lot of little details between here and there, but it ended. All of that could be removed and the story would remain the same. The protagonist shattered one threat and sufficiently crippled another. That is closure, if ever I saw it.
Mendicant Bias, surviving Forerunners, a largely intact and split Covenant, eternal struggle with the Flood, Flood origins/Precursors, etc.
We ended the conflict with Truth’s Covenant, technically. But Halo 3 certainly did not end everything sufficiently, and opened more doors for story continuation than it closed.
The trilogy did a good job of telling two overarching stories. Ultimately, the Covenant was only a vessel to show this incredible universe that humanity was discovering in the Forerunners and the Flood. Finishing the Covenant was not finishing Halo. The developers many times said that the Flood is the real enemy. And the Gravemind outright said in the middle of Halo 3 that this would not be his end.
I disagree, Halo 1-3 laid the foundation for a greater exploration of the lore.
Halo 1-3 were the hobbit now we’re heading into the lord of the rings.